I'm interested in seeing if these endorsements will actually move the needle in favor of Bernie.
My guess is that they won't.
My guess is that they won't.
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WaPo: AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders for President
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I prefer Warren as I find her more charismatic and I like the way she presents her plans more. I think she will get more done than he would. Their substantive differences aren't enough to sway me in either direction. I don't care if you call the policies Capitalism or Socialism, I just want the country to move in a progressive direction.
Logic (and history) would dictate that they do not.
Who is her endorsement going to sway? Like there are people on the fence who are going to choose a candidate based on AOC's recommendation? Where are these unicorns?
Yes, true. We could get even more specific but I don't want people to feel called out lmao.
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They suddenly "never really liked her anyway" lol
I'd say they won't. But this is still an important development for the history of progressive, socialistic politics as a cohesive movement in the US.
In the US politics often comes down to a cult of personality rather than policy. "Who I'd like to sit down and have a beer with." Bernie is an ideologue and a bit of a blowhard. And he's an old white man. The result is that you get posters dragging their asses through these topics, with takes as bad as "I'm a socialist but I don't like Bernie and I won't vote for him in the primary despite him being the only self-described socialist running."
Personally I'd rather have a 35 year old women of color than Bernie. If AOC was running I'd vote for her over him. But he remains the best candidate from a politics standpoint, so I'll continue to support him.
Listen, Warren and Bernie are my 1st and Second choice. I would love for them to be President and Vice President, but that isn't happening. I want to live to see AOC be our President someday. For me, this is a win/win. If this helps Bernie win the nomination, I will support him. If Liz is the nominee, of course AOC will support Liz. I still think Zuckerberg's attack on Warren helps her more than AOC endorsement helps Bernie.
Points out a big problem with US politics and then proceeds to contribute to said problem.
Liberals in a nutshell.
Bruh, how can any socialist write this without any irony?
LMAO
you can definitely find Bernie supporters who've said abusive, harassing, and offensive things, of course that toxic minority exists, but an awful lot of these allegations don't hold up to scrutiny. A recent standout was the Out magazine editor who cited tweets responding to Angelica Ross, a prominent black trans woman, as an example of "Bernie supporters hating Black women," when none of the pro-Bernie tweets in the article in question were remotely abusive and two out of three were from black Bernie supporters, one a black woman herself. as far as I know, no one who spread that completely mendacious smear has offered a retraction or apology
unfortunately, the "BernieBro harassment" narrative has been hammered in so frequently and loudly that even people who should know better (i.e. not the hardline NeverBernie crowd) will often suspend any critical thinking when it comes to said allegations
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From my perspective, and maybe I'm wrong here, there's basically no difference between Warren and Bernie from a policy perspective, they want the same thins, so it would normally be strange for me to see a poster like Drek go in on Bernie if I wasn't already aware that he's been doing this since '16.
How can you go out and trash white Blue collar workers the way this fool did, especially when Warren brings them up as much as fucking Bernie? Trash is your reductive reasoning homie, get a fucking grip. You're shitting on white workers the same way management shits on minorities, especially illegal minorities.
I mean are you serious with "work ethic" being the reason immigrants have "infiltrated high productive" work areas? No, that's not the main fucking reason. It's because you're fucking white ass, along with many other white asses, don't give a fuck about paying an illegal immigrant a fair fucking wage. You'd rather use fear/intimidation, pay crap wages, to get these folks to do this hard fucking work for you, because they're desperately trying to put food on the motherfucking table while keeping themselves safe within our borders.
How can you go out and trash white Blue collar workers the way this fool did, especially when Warren brings them up as much as fucking Bernie? Trash is your reductive reasoning homie, get a fucking grip. You're shitting on white workers the same way management shits on minorities, especially illegal minorities.
I mean are you serious with "work ethic" being the reason immigrants have "infiltrated high productive" work areas? No, that's not the main fucking reason. It's because you're fucking white ass, along with many other white asses, don't give a fuck about paying an illegal immigrant a fair fucking wage. You'd rather use fear/intimidation, pay crap wages, to get these folks to do this hard fucking work for you, because they're desperately trying to put food on the motherfucking table while keeping themselves safe within our borders.
Except for that 4th Destiny's Child member. A footnote in history books.
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Liberals in this thread: "But what about my inheritance that is built on the genocide of people and majestic sea animals?!"
Not even being cute - you are wrong. You should actually look at the details of their policies. Universal child care =/= universal healthcare.
Not even being cute - you are wrong. You should actually look at the details of their policies. Universal child care =/= universal healthcare.
I'm a socialist but where I disagree with some others on the far left- representation is critical. If you give me two socialists with near-identical politics for an elected office I'll pick the most diverse choice every time. Old white men have been historically way over-represented in positions of power.
If Bernie wins I expect his running mate to be a younger person of color, preferably a woman. Same for Warren.
Yeah, I've seen literally zero people "attacking" Ayanna lol
it's not even remotely surprising that she'd endorse Warren (assuming she does), she's always been to the right of the other 3/4 of the Squad (see: her vote for the anti-BDS bill)
Just as we've seen zero people attacking AOC for endorsing Sanders lol.
But when does that stop anybody from Twitter sensationalism?
That's true, and I've made that argument here before.
Making up a reality to mock people who don't believe the exact same things I do is the schtick here.
Don't you know? We're all sitting on millions of dollars that our parents gave us!
I gotta go check my account. They never told me.
That's exactly why I post it! I'm so confused.
That I completely understand.
Yeah, I agree. And Bernie supporters really have the power to push people away, sometimes.
I understand that, but people here dragging Bernie are Warren supporters, not Biden. Warren does have many faults, but she is not Biden or Hillary, she is a progressive. That's why I was so confused.
Brazil wasn't that different before Bolsonaro. While we have a lot of political parties, only PT (left-wing) and PSDB (center-right) really mattered in our young democracy. Now that that fascist shit won, anything can happen.
Just search "AOC Warren why" on Twitter and behold the long string of Twitter users crying that "it makes more sense" (lol) for AOC to endorse Warren, and that they're "done" with her
People were concerning about Sanders age long before he had a heart attack, long long before, which pretty much anyone in the race could have had at their ages. And the response to someone having a heart attack isnt "this old fart is failing in his campaign anyway".
Dont deflect from the core point.
Exactly. But they'll try.
The same folks shouting "it's time for a woman in the white house!" while simultaneously not giving a shit about their policy stances, sure are quick to erase and downplay Women and POC supporting Sanders as well.
At the very least it makes his VP choice more meaningful than it otherwise may be.
at the risk of repeating myself, the Venn diagram of liberals who say things like "these racist, sexist brocialists are only supporting Bernie/criticizing Pelosi/etc. because they don't care about minorities," and liberals who were silent about or outright supported smearing a black Muslim woman as an antisemite because she dared to criticize the lobby for an apartheid state, is a near-perfect circle and it reveals so goddamn much
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Speaking only for myself, I don't like his tendency to become an obstinate loudmouth when things don't go his way. I've never liked that about him. I'm also not a fan of his tone-deafness on the subject of race issues. He's getting better but he's still nowhere near where he needs to be in a world controlled by Trump and his Nazi-ass hordes.
I also feel like a lot of his ideas sound great on paper but don't necessarily mesh with reality. In some kind of dreamland scenario where everything has a chance to be perfect his pie-in-the-sky version of socialism sounds great but I don't think he stands a chance of implementing even a meaningful micro-fraction of the GROUNDWORK necessary to even set us on the path to stuff like that. Ideas aren't enough.
And finally, his health is a legitimate concern. The man had a serious heart attack and the primaries haven't even fully started in force, much less the general election or the actual presidency. I am not inclined to throw all my support behind someone I cannot have faith in being able to stay in power for a full eight years and do everything possible to ensure that we ERASE Donald Trump's supreme court gains by appointing a liberal successor to RBG/Breyer and preferably replacing Thomas. The Supreme Court is standing on a knife's edge and another Republican president within the next decade will be a lethal wound to the country's future.
Bernie's not getting the nomination. Dems need to get behind one person and come out swinging next year, and the old white guys a whisper away from dementia/death aren't going to cut it.
Meh. People who were never going to vote for Bernie are still out here concern trolling and gaslighting reasonable people a out Sander's age and health.
I'll take the principled progressive with an entire history if principled behavior and positions who happens to be old and just has a basic-ass procedure done, over the once republican federalist society candidate that mistook herself to be native american and cant even articulate her own damn healthcare plan, and agrees with Trumps military budget.
This is such a mundane argument. Theres a reason the President has a line of succession like a VP.
Also interestingly, Sanders has already mentioned that hed ask Warren to be his VP if nominated. She didnt even show up for him in 2016. Theres zero chance shed select him
Bernie's not getting the nomination. Dems need to get behind one person and come out swinging next year, and the old white guys a whisper away from dementia/death aren't going to cut it.
1. Stop confusing your personal wishes with reality
2. No one in the general is going to go "well I was going to vote for Warren but AOC choose Bernie first and that will not make me vote so all hail Trump!"
His iffy nature on race issues themselves are a bit of a stretch, though he's not served well by how he presents them in his dialogue. His biggest issue when it comes to that is that he always tried to frame race as he frames everything else, as class struggle which inevitably shifts the conversation from exploring actual racial tension and bias from institutions of authority and instead sums it up as rich people keeping us all down. Which, while not entirely wrong in an historical context, doesn't really leave room for actual social justice discussion when he's trying to divert the passion and desire people have for it towards criticism of the ultra-wealthy.
Personally I also don't see him as particularly weak on gun reform either. I think he's got more of a perspective on the actual practical need for guns in places like rural Vermont vs the guy in suburbia building a personal armory. I know people tried to also jump down his throat when he refused to sign on to challenges made by Hillary and others in 2016 that they should work to allow victims of mass shootings to sue the manufacturers of the weapons used. Which on its face sounds nice but I think Bernie had enough foresight to realize that could set a terrible precedent that extends beyond firearms discussion.
Bernie is a representative of the lower class American. He travels the country and listens to these peoples' stories. Like any empathic person would, he gets angry about how the average American is being taken advantage of.
So when I see people complain about how loud and obnoxious Bernie is - what they are actually saying is they are tired of hearing poor Americans complain about the status quo. Bernie is simply a repeater if what is coming out of the lower class.
So when I see people complain about how loud and obnoxious Bernie is - what they are actually saying is they are tired of hearing poor Americans complain about the status quo. Bernie is simply a repeater if what is coming out of the lower class.
A lot of these types also showed up for John McCain. These same types defended Nate Silver's closer racist "residue" tweet. A lot of these same folks cry about how "progressive" they are, and then defend Moderates like Pelosi and Clinton, and even JOE FUCKING MANCHIN.
Bernie's not getting the nomination. Dems need to get behind one person and come out swinging next year, and the old white guys a whisper away from dementia/death aren't going to cut it.
