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WaPo: AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders for President
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I don't see anyone abandoning anything.
What I do see is people questioning how much this actually matters, which is a fair criticism.
Of course not, I'd just personally be concerned about how long he would last if he actually won, or how many people will be willing to vote in someone who's time is verging on up.
Find me a historic example of a single, isolated endorsement by a house member in a presidential primary that moved the needle is a substantive way immediately in polling, and I'd be happy to admit that I am wrong. To the best of my knowledge, such endorsements to tend to have little to no actual impact in terms of polling, for better or for worse.
The links to each poll all work. Biden is up big in multiple polls. The fact that you arent aware highlights the bubble you and others are in where polls are cherry picked and valid critiques from those who represent the majority of the democratic party are shouted down as not relevant because the far left fraction says so.
There's a reason why there isnt a thread covering all major polls but folks here are given a pass to post those that back up their narrative. Cherry picking and focusing only on a single favorable subject is effective:
Im talking about your blantant attempts to label comments by posters here (drek, maxim) as "petty" just because they're right about ERA being out of touch.
Like I said before, I'm aligned with him politically (aside from his moronic stance on guns) but I don't like him as a person. And I don't think the country needs another ancient white man who thinks he knows best running the show right now. It's time for Trump and Bernie's generation and the Boomers to start to step out of the way and let the future be controlled by the people who will actually have to live in it.
Seeing the comments here and on Twitter shows how different the Centrist and Progressive Democrats are.
We need to bring back the Progressive 3rd party back.
We need to bring back the Progressive 3rd party back.
Biden and Warren are #1/2, Biden still has the slight edge, and the AOC endorsement of Sanders will likely mean very little.
Pretty sure Bernie has said multiple times he doesn't want his kids and grandkids to live in a hellscape world. I would assume those people are going to outlive him by decades.
With the way people on GAF acted like a bunch of crazed lunatics during Clinton vs Sanders in the 2016 election, and the resulting meltdown when she lost you'd think a little perspective would be gained instead of more childish "my candidate is better than yours" bullshit.
Facts. They've been showing their asses now far more than ever.
Not that they've changed my view on them or anything, they've been on this bullshit for years, with rehabilitating war criminals, using minorities as props, ignoring issues on foreign policy as well as having outright disdain for the working class and the plight of the poor.
Fuck them.
Talk about voting against your interest.
What do you think Bernie's doing?
I got my info from CNN, not exactly a liberal source, I don't live breathe and die,by the polls . Like just ignore me, I feels like you're one of the posters that's been adding to the negativity of these threads. Also I never said anything about Drek(they should probably post a less lol). I'm just sick of the mudslinging and childish insults. And many others here have posted the same thing.
If you believe it to be faux-intellectual please debate. Instead you chose a reductive non-response. I'm sorry that my form of general discourse and pointing out some basic facts strikes you as trying to feign intellectual superiority though.
And the branding as a neolib comes not from the post including neoliberal philosophy, but instead from people who claim the right to define progress not being able to understand the concept.
I'm not saying there is a danger to radical politics. I'm saying that no matter your policies change needs to be shoved down the throats of 50-60% of this country if that change is anything other than lowering taxes. The ACA was a straight slam dunk for 99% of Americans and led to a red wave in the very next mid-term. Now rural republicans are up in arms over losing those benefits while still decrying Obamacare.
No one, including Sanders, is going to organize the apathetic 2/5ths of this country who can't even be bothered to vote, let alone actually take some of the pain needed to effect meaningful change.
If you want that change it needs to be forced down from above. Much like how the impeachment issue with Trump was a tenuous polling item, yet once Pelosi had one of her fam attacked by Trump's impeachable offenses we've seen the public opinion shift rapidly.
Here, I'll lay out my post in reference to a long held axiom:
1. Existing truth: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
2. Obvious assumption: If you never lead a horse to water, it definitely can't drink.
3. If you want to make sure the horse too stupid to drink when its dying of thirst drinks the goddamn water shove a hose down its throat and pour.
Now, take an objective assessment of the American people via all the sources that we have and tell me if you think they would:
A. Elect a more progressive path when politely presented to them (continually run back to GOP politicians after Dems clean up the economic messes of Lassiez-faire capitalism)
B. Find organization on their own (more right to work states than ever before, fewer unions, eroding union support)
C. Take for granted progressive entitlements only when forced upon them and only with the benefits of time benefiting from those entitlements (how even GOP boomers love their Social Security, Medicare, etc.)
If you still don't get what I was saying I'm sorry, I can't de-faux-intellectual it any more than this. Though I like how you assume I'm all for SUFFERING and INJUSTICE to protect my "naive worldview" when you contribute not a single real critique.
Shit like this (speaking with absolute superiority and conviction in a condescending fashion to the worldview of others you have zero frame of reference towards) should be a bannable offense if this board was interested in political discourse that went beyond shitposting competitions.
Someone who is good enough at the capitalist game to make my own schedule.
Someone who has done enough labor, supervised enough labor, and been involved in the real production side of our economy long enough to tell you the following facts:
1. The average union member in this country is a rural white racist who either voted for Trump or abstained because they wanted to vote for Trump. Most of the people who do production based industry work in this country (the places where organizing needs to happen) who don't have union cards voted for Trump.
So how do you organize the racists to stop racism? Maybe warning labels on tiki torches that say "FOR PROGRESSIVE RALLY USE ONLY"?
2. The average blue collar American worker fucking sucks. They're slow. They whine. They aren't very good. This is why illegal immigrants infiltrate high production industries like landscaping, construction, factory work, etc. so easily. The average blue collar American is a fucking trashbag. Immigrants work twice as hard, three times as productive, and for half the money.
Deep down the racist white blue collar worker knows this. They've seen it. Instead of doing better they're blaming the people who currently do better. What kind of progressive organization strategy does Sanders or anyone else have to fix the fact that most of our workforce wake up each day hoping to "steal" a paycheck?
3. Despite what "Real Progressive*" (*self-applied label) types tell you we still live with economic scarcity. We can't just give UBI to everyone to where no one needs to work and have our society still function. As someone who has cleaned asbestos and far, far worse industrial wastes on top of a lot of other things Dirty Jobs considered too dangerous to make an episode on no one is showing up to do that shit if they don't have to as a way to survive.
But guess what: If no one does them then lots of fucking people die. I cleaned asbestos from dorm rooms at my college campus in the early 2000's. Kids lived in those dorm rooms a month before that. If no one was willing to remove it how many more people would have gotten lung cancer?
Now expand that to industrial contamination on a larger scale. Who wants to pull samples of chlorobenzene wearing a full tyvek and respirator because the shit would burn your skin or scar your lungs without it to make any random ass number over UBI when UBI covers all basic needs? No one.
How about something as mundane as trash pickup, where even today that is an industry woefully understaffed and overworked, to the point of being dangerous, and yet without it we'd have people back yard burning (hello express lane to global climate change) or we'd just live in fucking filth, with disease rampant and spontaneous trash fires in most major metros.
I hate to break it to the hope and change crowd but when you shitpost things like "society is broken" it goes well beyond alt-righters with AR-15s and a VP who thinks electrocution "cures" homosexuality. We aren't just culturally broken. Our entire way of life depends on exploitative systems. We're balancing on a single jenga block at the bottom and you all are acting like we can just build a new stack on top without addressing the constant wobble.
If you want progress we get there one of two ways: Elect someone who forces it via the overextended powers of the POTUS or at the point of a gun when corporate exploitation finally hits the tipping point to where the majority of Americans are in poverty and a violent revolution starts. Until then you aren't going to wake people up from their Twitter/Facebook feeds, Netflix binges, MCU rewatch parties, fantasy football draft, etc. long enough to change anything.
Warren's plans hinge on trying the first step before we wind up on an inevitable downward slide to the second.
And you think the majority of people here don't agree? Like I've been going back and forth between Warren and Bernie, but this has always been said every thread here.
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I think the urge to continue to downplay Sanders support by sophomorically self-stimulating oneself speaks enough to his opposition that I don't really need to explain what kind of politic it is, because regardless of nauseating Realpolitik, some person giggles over this garbage.
Also the hysterical response to my post by a violently centrist worm is about as out of touch with working people as I could possibly imagine an empty vessel may be is so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ such that guess the violent worthlessness of such a viewpoint may reach an audience. Fingers crossed.
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No, the majority of people clearly don't agree.
They think Biden is done, and that an AOC endorsement is going to spark life into his campaign. Neither of those views are likely accurate.
That will remain to be seen, but the fact that their decision is being dismissed altogether is gross.
I don't think that's true at all, you're definitely letting a few enthusiastic/hopeful poster get to you.
What are you talking about?
You're not getting it.
No-one's doing that.
No-one is doing this, either. There's projection going on here, but it's not from us.
This was the post I was replying to about Russia.
Or do you think Russia had nothing to with how Trump got elected?
Then why are people who support the Squad not realising it's missing its forth member (Ayanna Pressley) and that 3 other Justice Democrats are missing in action? 7 JD's were elected in the House, not 3.
The Justice Democrats are within their right to endorse whoever they choose, and we are within our right to react to it. I'm not bothered by this, in case your wondering.
The fact Bernie is doing this in a moment to shore up his own support, rather than spending more time and effort reaching out to other factions is not a sign of a healthy campaign.
It means that as a forum we skew more to the left than the rest of the nation already, if we weren't in a leftist bubble there should be equal or more support for Biden as Warren and Sanders. Before or after the primaries doesn't matter, to not be in a bubble we would need to fairly represent current national polling, which we clearly do not.
So while a good portion is waffling between being outright centrist with Biden, lefter with Warren or even lefter with Sanders here it's just Warren or Sanders, so we're clearly leaning further left than the nation.
expected this endorsement, people were fooling themselves if they didn't think AOC was going to endorse the candidate that most aligns with her political views and goals
Very little to nothing.
Hillary being the second most unfavorable presidential candidate in polling history, the electoral college, and Comey were each more important.
I think he's staying in a race he SHOULD drop out of for the sake of his health in order to feed his own ego. It would be better for him to step out of the limelight and start to work with younger politicians who actually stand a chance of living long enough to implement and cement policy to help them craft a New Deal for the future, rather than stubbornly staying in the race and losing again (or winning and then dying a year or two into his first term) just because he thinks he's the only person who can save the world.
I also think his "income inequality is the source of all the world's problems" mindset is naive. It's certainly not a FAKE problem, but his repeated failure to properly address the elephant in the room - that America is a country so catastrophically broken by racism that it's barely functional, and large portions of the very income inequality he yells about so often are driven by that racism - paint him as someone unprepared to lead the nation and recover from the Trumpian nightmare.
He'd make a better advisor than a leader. If he wins the primary somehow I'll vote for him but I'm not gonna fight for him or campaign for him.
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This deserves a far better reply than I'm capable of giving but I just wanted to say that this is literally the best post I have read on Era in its brief history.
Like I've been saying in too many of these threads, if its the same people doing it over and over in these threads they're getting the sideeye.
I don't get why Bernie thinking he's the man for the job, makes him any more egotistical than any of the other candidates...
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I like Bernie. I like Warren. I think both of them have great policies. I can also understand someone preferring one over the other. However, get this shit out of here. Jumping to calling someone a "centrist worm" in the least heated of discussions, about a pretty benign topic. I think people sometimes overstate the "shitty bernie fan" narrative, but that's literally how you're acting right now.
He knows all this and if you listen to him it's easy to see that he is not the stubborn person people like to make him out to be. His campaign slogan is "not me, us" for a reason. He himself could only get done what anybody else in his position could, which is to say maybe not a whole lot. That goes for Sanders, Warren, Biden, or Jesus Christ should he decide to throw his hat in. The way we get these bigger changes is over time by galvanizing millions of American citizens. Sanders pushes for the change, we will be the ones to demand that these changes be enacted upon. The power lies with the people. With the masses. The people just need a leader who will constantly remind us of that and get us up off our asses to make these things happen.
As Bernie says, there is no magic wand here. This will not happen in a day or even in a year and probably not in 4 years. Give the country the leader it needs to succeed though and public sentiment will be influenced and we will move toward the change that we want, and eventually, we will get there.
Did you know that a couple hundred years ago, the Irish weren't considered white? Skin color is not always correlated with what it has meant to be white. They were later accepted into the in group of "white" because, well if I had to guess it was to build the white coalition against people of color so that the rich could prevent class warfare against themselves.
Sure, Bernie does have the immediate privilege of not being discriminated or judged based on his skin color but Ashkenazi Jews have always had that and have always dealt with antisemitism and have generally always dealt with being a members of the underclass, Hitler's Nazism was not targeting them solely because of their religion, there was clearly a racial element to it.
Out of curiosity, who are you referring to? Because pretty much everyone on the right with any kind of public voice has already been screaming about her.
And she handles it masterfully. :)
Seriously doubt that he's gonna get the nomination, despite the endorsement.
She should have waited till the primaries are over.
She should have waited till the primaries are over.
they think the frequency they're emitting is high enough
As much heat as those two get from both sides, I don't see this as a positive (with regards to Bernie's chances). But I'm an ignoramus and don't follow politics as fervently as most of you.
I'm sure all the Very Concerned Posters must be relieved to see she's moved past her raging antisemitism.
We're oncern trolling about his health again, I see.
And for once, maybe consider that Bernie's persistence isnt ego driven.
You know what's ego driven? Staying in the political limelight after losing the biggest slam dunk election in history to a shit lord reality tv show star, and still running around yelling "BUT I WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" like it matters, while blamming anything else under the sun but yourself.
Perhaps just admit that Bernie is a fighter, fighters fight. And they persist.
Yeah, "antisemitism" lol
So your first choice is who, Buttigieg, Gabbard, Yang or Beto?
Ilhan is such an ispiration to me as a young POC, she reminds me of my older sister.
