I could have sworn this already happened. Ah well, don't see this actually moving the needle much.
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WaPo: AOC to endorse Bernie Sanders for President
- Thread starter chadskin
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But if they are all polling similarly then it doesn't matter. Either the polls are right, and any of the could beat Trump, or the polls are wrong, and none of them can.
False:
It's unreasonable to threaten not to vote for an actual progressive going up against (presumably) a centrist (no left-leaning liberal is going to try to run against AOC) or a Republican while (presumably) claiming to care about progressive issues. Like holy shit. It's akin to the irony poisoned bros who say "Bernie or bust" and won't vote for another Dem in the main election (and vice versa).
There are some salty takes as well but I'm more amused by the hypocrisy than actually appalled by them, even if they are, as indicated by others, subtly misogynist in questioning a woman's decisions when by all accounts it lines up with everything she's said and done to this point. I wasn't going to say anything about Swift's post but since Balbanes post happened it needed to be pointed out.
I'm sorry, but this is silly. Sanders and Warren have done NOTHING but support each other. The worst they've done is... reiterate non-gaffe things the other has said. They both recognize progressivism is the way forward and one of them needs to win, but they are different enough it's worth running against each other. They are not going to attack each other until they're both above 30% in polls, which I'm not sure is going to happen.
Biden is done, I think. We don't need to worry about him any more. Bernie was almost done but I'd argue the "gang" supporting him will revitalize his campaign. The question is if he can catch Warren.
Definitely true. It's ironically enough helpful should Warren beat Bernie, in the case of those concerned a progressive can't win due to association with socialism (even though, you know, Republicans and especially Trump will call any Democrat a socialist).
I can somewhat understand "well he might die" concerns due to his heart attack, but then the answer is for him to pick a VP who aligns with at least his most important views. The only problem there is, anyone actually that progressive is too young, too valuable to pluck from the Senate when he's already not there, or ineligible to be President. But the full on "no he cannot be president because he'll definitely die" just seems... confusing.
I can only assume said people just pay attention to their witty clapbacks and the like, which, while I agree are entertaining and at times enlightening, are not the full breadth of the policies they want to support, which upon even a cursory reading far more align with what Bernie has put forward than what Warren has. Otherwise, you're right.
At this point, I'd say it's more if, even if Warren is currently still more likely. But, I have no doubt at least AOC will. Unsure about the others or if they'll just stay quiet.
Kind of implied by Swift's post, imo, even if not outright stated.
That's some really terrible logic.
burnie voters were always turning out. But his rhetoric and vitriolic bullshit from both he and his supporters suppressed the folks on the fence.
what a stupid argument.
he completely trashed Hillary and the party. If you don't think that played a part in a trump presidency, I don't know what to tell you.
The closest we have is a few people saying what they should've done or what they did was foolish. So, more or less yeah.
The most you can hope for with an AOC endorsement is it getting some of the 2016 Bernie supporters who are true progressives that switched to Warren to come back to Bernie.
Which, even if it did happen in somewhat significant numbers, would do nothing to alleviate Bernie's real problem of polling like complete shit with anyone over the age of 40.
This is like putting a bandaid on a person diagnosed with cancer.
Which, even if it did happen in somewhat significant numbers, would do nothing to alleviate Bernie's real problem of polling like complete shit with anyone over the age of 40.
This is like putting a bandaid on a person diagnosed with cancer.
People of color are only useful as a cudgel with which to hit Conservatives (and, until recently, Bernie supporters) over the back of the head. I'm Puerto Rican and I've never felt like my opinion or perspective was welcome unless I'm nodding along to whatever they're saying.
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Is it? I'm a republican who voted for Hillary. Dude is trump in alt-left clothing.
You got proof of that?
Do you think the Democratic Party is perfect? Can you imagine that people have actual problems with the party and with Hillary?
edit: didn't see that you are a republican
Pretty much.
You can agree with her principles or you don't.
No because they would be banned, that's why they talk their way around it. Any POC here knows out role in the party.
Also Puerto Rican and I've definitely felt the same for my entire life about the way people use race when talking electoral politics.
All this "wokeness" seems like it's mostly just a means to an end to play the same old fucking games people always play with elections.
If you mean hes "trump" in that he will be president and "alt-left" as in left then yeah
tbh the whole Ilhan Omar/"antisemitic tropes" saga illustrates how shallow a lot of liberals' notions of allyship and solidarity are far better than anything directly related to Bernie or the 2020 primary will, but it's true nonetheless
Is it as fun for you as it is for me when people assume you're a privileged white guy? And by fun I mean irritating.
Dems should really be taking advice from Republicans who definitely have lefty interests close to heart. Thank you!
You can disagree but to go completely nuclear was irresponsible. But Bernie don't care. He cares about himself and his own ambition. The quicker his fan club can figure this out, the better our country will be.
Doubly so when you realize the pattern of privileged white people being the first in line to say that type of shit to you.
10000000%
He cares about himself...so he campaigned heavily for Clinton in 2016...
How did he go nuclear?
How did he go completely nuclear? He refused to touch her most prominent scandal and endorsed and campaigned for her.
The smart and not "disappointing" move would've been to support a candidate who doesn't share their politics, naturally.
"If you want a Democrat to win, you must listen to me, a Republican."
I mean Warren's polling is less than stellar with young people and people of color so I can see why some supporters of hers might be willing to downplay this endorsement.
it's fine to be aware of the issue without literally writing out a scenario where he dies in office as a reason not to vote for him
I remember the thread about the Omar/Pelosi photo shoot, where a bunch of the very same liberals who endorsed or were silent about Tropesgate (some of whom even went so far as to attack anyone who defended Omar from the smears at the time) suddenly decided to play white knights defending fair Lady Omar... over one of the most meaningless forms of political theater in existence.
Yes, I'm sure the concept of not always winning at life is foreign to AOC, Omar, and Tlaib. This gaffe will knock their privileged tails down a few rungs.
Would have been a shock if she didn't. She and the rest of the squad retweet Bernie 20x a day on Twitter.
Either way, this doesn't move the needle at all or change anything. Bernie is a longshot to become the nominee. It will be either Warren (hopefully) or Biden.
Either way, this doesn't move the needle at all or change anything. Bernie is a longshot to become the nominee. It will be either Warren (hopefully) or Biden.
Are you really just saying that it's unreasonable for Sanders' health to be a dealbreaker?
That's the reason people are wary though. If I wasn't worried about that then there's no question who I would be supporting right now.
This doo doo ass post has been dunked on already, but receipts, do you have them? Any posters saying that it's Bernie's turn? You are projecting so hard you are going to pull a muscle.
Taking drastic steps to address wealth and racial equality is... like Trump? That's certainly a take.