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Wanna know why Star Citizen is taking so long?
- Thread starter Marcus Aurelius
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ive emailed Metro One to see how much to upgrade, but they haven't gotten back to me yet
Due to my twin sister and her boyfriend being 3D artists and modelers. I know how time-consuming 3D modeling and animation especially when modelling sci-fi equipment. That stuff takes alot of time in order to get perfect. Not trying to overly justify the long wait but I would rather it take a long time then crunch on the animators and modelists
I thought it was because pretty much no aspect of the game was ready, not even for the single player part of the game since it's now without even a year date release for it's beta.
-AI isn't ready
-server can't handle the load
-content creation is lagging behind ( planets/moon/landing zones )
-most gameplay mechanics are not in, and/or are simply first iteration
Ambition should have it's limit when it push you to pretty much redo every ship, planet, maybe even landing zone you do. Ambition is not an excuse for non proper project management, and no one should push the Miyamoto quote there, because for a game of that scope, you most assuredly can keep that ambition/feature creep for post release patch.
-AI isn't ready
-server can't handle the load
-content creation is lagging behind ( planets/moon/landing zones )
-most gameplay mechanics are not in, and/or are simply first iteration
Ambition should have it's limit when it push you to pretty much redo every ship, planet, maybe even landing zone you do. Ambition is not an excuse for non proper project management, and no one should push the Miyamoto quote there, because for a game of that scope, you most assuredly can keep that ambition/feature creep for post release patch.
When I see all these overcomplicated systems I only see the nightmare that it would be implement them properly. And how much chaos must be intertwine them together with god knows how many other overcomplicated systems.
No wonder that even in recent footage I seen the game is so buggy.
No wonder that even in recent footage I seen the game is so buggy.
Do they have questionable monetizations too like selling jpeg ships for thousands of dollars? Not only preying on whales but adding another feature creep too? Because personally that's my issue on why I call it a 'scam'
Should really focus on the core things and basic gameplay loop first before going nuts with creep.
There is however, a roadmap of how they will produce a JPEG of the lightbulb, but this will only be shown to those attending a private banquet with the developers at $1,000 a ticket
You can also buy a replica JPEG of the lightbulb for $5,000 for your in game bedside table
1) As someone who has more than 100 hours in FTL, yes, it is that hard to comprehend. Absolutely nothing in your picture implied these are actual locations in the ship, or that they need to be manned or repaired. The most logical assumption from that pic is that these are systems that an engineer in the ship has to manage from some UI (and being less charitable, that the screenshot is of that UI).
2) Requiring complex interactions from players is entirely tangential to how complex a videogame is to develop. I could make the most complex videogame in the world, requiring 100s of people to perfectly coordinate, in a few months, solo (the obvious problem being that it would be a pretty terrible game that would never get all these people online).
Your argument is nonsensical on several levels; people are explaining this to you, yet you still bury your head in the sand and blame it on people not getting something that isn't "that hard to comprehend", or some inherent bias agains Star Citizen on Era. It's very hard not to assume you've been drinking too much SC-flavored Kool-Aid.
Exactly this. Complexity is a bug, not a feature. Complexity for complexity's sake is the result of mistaking it for depth.
It's truly enlightening of this monumental misunderstanding of complexity and depth both devs and fans of SC have in their minds that FTL, OP's very example, has one of the most masterfully streamlined and simplified designs in history. A large percentage of interviews with his creators is devoted to them cutting out seemingly essential features that got in the way of this design, like moving the ship around in battles, or fighting against more than one ship.
Complexity has a way of its own to creep into game designs. As a game designer, I have to fight it every day. I have to make sacrifices, cut (or more accurate to how it feels, amputate) features that add complexity but not enough fun or depth. It is something to be fought, not encouraged!
I thought they are engineering a roadmap for that roadmap for months? (aka a funky Jira export)
No?
Is this roadmap done yet?
I mean, I'm writing a book. I could show you a considerable number of outlines and text passages and characters sheets you could read about it. I have written about how the magic system works and have a bunch of sample scenes that I'm sure some people would enjoy. It's a whole thing that could maybe impress the people who read all that material.
But it's also not a book. There isn't a single, actual book out of it. You can read a lot of it, but you can't really call it a book.
Thankfully I haven't asked anyone to pay for a book yet.
But it's also not a book. There isn't a single, actual book out of it. You can read a lot of it, but you can't really call it a book.
Thankfully I haven't asked anyone to pay for a book yet.
The home stretch is in sight for believable bartenders has to be one of the best lines ever written.God I love this lol, posting for people that don't know:
Please dont share videos from that white knight. He defends every misstep and lie from CIG.
Tbf if the game is a simulation with the intention to be as close to reality as possible, this seems to not apply. A game like FS2020 needs to have all that complexity, even if it's contradictory to fun.
Issue with SC is, that it has neither any realism (well, "realism" is a bit difficult with all that fantasy sience fiction) or fun. And I feel it's not just because of the unfinished nature of the game but also zero direction in what way SC should go. They describe all the time all these complex, simulated systems but in the end mining is implemented like a minigame with a golf swing power meter... there is a complete disconnect in how they describe the game and what they implement.
God I love this lol, posting for people that don't know:
We should also post the result of this multi-year progress:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals over 300M in total. Kickstarter was only back then 2012, that was a bit over 2M I think.
I thought it was taking so long because Chris Roberts is legendary for poorly managing projects, expectations and budgets.
Not to mention people literally built emulation inside of other games purely using said games mechanics. Entire code blocks physically built via, well, blocks.
Even for a work-in-progress, it blows mind that they parented the dialogue options to constantly swaying character. You really don't want a list of choices to be a moving target.
Sure, but simulators (actual simulators of real things I mean) are a very edge cases where one could argue normal game design doesn't apply; or at least, that the "simulator" and "game" components are separate and at odds with each other.
Star Citizen is trying to create something that "feels like a simulation" of something that doesn't actually exist, but that's a much bigger design space than an actual simulator; you're making up the theoretical thing that you're simulating as you go, and that's design as well. Therefore, traditional game design weights more, and complexity for complexity's sake remains needless.
Some of the most beloved spaceship simulators of all time, like the X-Wing franchise, are orders of magnitude less complex than flying an actual aircraft (let alone one with systems like shields and weapons). They don't need to be complex; they just need to be complex enough to feel "realistic". Good design aims to maximize this feeling of realism and meaningful choice while minimizing complexity. FTL is again a perfect example; people playing it report actually feeling like the captain of a spaceship, having to micromanage its systems and react to many events at once, yet all of this is done via a mastefully streamlined system that only ever requires a few clicks.
Agreed.
So all this AI work bullshit to achieve something that's worse than just letting the character do canned animations. Amazing.
I think this is less of "this things... takes time" and more of "please Robert stop asking us to model and render another fully functioning 1:1 ship atom by atom"
This is solely a problem of to many goals and extreme mismanagement... and money please more money.
who's honestly 'diving into the escape pods' at this point? They either bailed long ago or they're stuck in stasis.