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WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
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Oh I agree, but that quote popped into my head after Wanda exploded and created her fantasy reality. It could've been a whole lot worse, like a whole lot worse. Like Lagos, but on a wider scale.
If the Accords were perfect, Wanda would've gotten Vision's body back and she would've had the mental help she needed to prevent her implosion.
But that doesn't excuse the enslavement she put an entire town through. She might not have been aware of the torture she was causing, but she was aware she was controlling as many people as she could. She even put kids to permanent sleep, only waking them for Halloween. And we see on the outskirts of town, the people are frozen and crying. Who knows how long they've been that way?
There really needed to be some type of accountability or consequences. Everyone just shrugs their shoulders and Wanda exiles herself. But it's still a superhero show and they won't get in depth into the actual consequences.
I know. I just think it's...interesting, given some of the reactions here.
Quite frankly given how many people seem to miss or fail to understand even the most basic occurrences in not particularly complicated shows and films, I can see exactly why writers feel the need to explain things clearly.
"Uh, why were Jack and Jill on a hill to begin with? PLOT HOLE!"
You just described a chaotic nuetral anti-hero.
A chaotic nuetral is a character who does good or bad acts depending on their own self interests, not morals.
An anti-hero is a character who lacks heroic traits, but acts to resolve the central conflict.
Agatha's motivation for self gain lead her to attempt to take out that big bad- the person torturing thousands of people. Whether or not Agatha actually cared about these people doesn't change this fact.
What you percieve as Wanda's lack of intent doesn't change that fact that she was doing this, and repeatedly tried to rationalize and gaslight in order to keep up the facade. It wasn't until Agatha showed her explicitly that people were being tortured that Wanda made any attempt to free people. Agatha's "Hero's don't torture people" , line was the straw that broke the camels back.
The fact that Agatha is a bad person doesn't change the reality of the role she played in this story arc.
Yeah... this changes nothing about her characters role as a chaotic nuetral anti-hero ...
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I think it did because it's entirely Monica's pov as someone who too was a victim of Wanda's control.
That's why Wanda says you don't hate me?
Wanda for all her faults never crossed that line she could have easily killed Monica but went out her way not to kill her
Also on Agatha
" And I've killed Sparky too"
For once a protagonist is neither a pure angel nor a mustache-twirling villain, and I really appreciate that.
Wanda never intended to hurt people of Westview, she just wanted her family and a safe place to live. This lead to other's suffering which creates an amazing opportunity for a character to grow. She sacrificed everything she ever wanted. There will be consequences, but she definitely grew. Strange is gonna have a serious conversation with her though.
Wanda genuinely has a good heart. This actually reminds me of this Xavier line: "Just because someone stumbles, loses their way it doesn't mean they're lost forever."
Wanda never intended to hurt people of Westview, she just wanted her family and a safe place to live. This lead to other's suffering which creates an amazing opportunity for a character to grow. She sacrificed everything she ever wanted. There will be consequences, but she definitely grew. Strange is gonna have a serious conversation with her though.
Wanda genuinely has a good heart. This actually reminds me of this Xavier line: "Just because someone stumbles, loses their way it doesn't mean they're lost forever."
This is what I believe tbh. She stumbled upon a chance to save her children, and will do so because she acts impulsively. This will cause a problem, probably something that Doctor Strange as to deal with.
yea I'm glad she pack up and left, the shit she dragged those poor people through
It's kinda like the Necronomicon, so mega ancient and inspired by cosmic horrors
Agatha had it. They showed it as part of her stuff in Episode 7 (possibly 8?).
Given that Agatha is hundreds of years old and has been killing witches and stealing magic for a VERY long time, Agatha having that book makes sense.
Anyone else wanna break this stalemate for me?
I'm not questioning the logic of anything that happened. Just whether it was the right choice narratively.
Because Monica empathizes with losing a loved one to such an insane degree that she can excuse supervillainy.
Her character, as written, would be a Zemo stan too.
Wanda saying "oops sorry" would have been really tone deaf considering how horrifying the peoples confessions about what was going on in Westview when Agatha broke the illusion for people.
I think it was because it was true to Monica
Wanda clearly rejects the notion
Yeah, it's the same cabin. Wanda stole it from Banner, and that's gonna be a lawsuit in She-Hulk.
Like again they say the hex imprinted Wanda's nightmares, trauma and grief on those touched by it
Monica has a deep experience with Wanda's trauma and came out of it sympathizing.
Monica has a deep experience with Wanda's trauma and came out of it sympathizing.
Her in general unleashing her Scarlet Witch powers and embracing them will no doubt have horrendous consequences.
Are we even sure Sparky was a real dog and not just another construct?
The events of infinity war and endgame are public knowledge in the world so she knows what she has been through
This.
The writers literally could have done the "huh...where am I? What happened? I dreamed that I was in the 50s lol" trope.
But they chose to reinforce, multiple times, that what Wanda was doing to the town was painful, invasive and traumatic. Wanda did that.
So it makes me not care about her fake kids or husband who's technically still alive. Wanda didn't actually sacrifice anything, she begrudgingly STOPPED doing a terrible thing.
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I really liked the episode. Yeah, I wished it was a bit longer and that we had more answers but still, pretty great.
My only issue is the lack of post-credit scene for White Vision, but I'm still really glad we get to keep Bettany, he really became one of my favorite character with this show.
AND THANK GOD FOR RALPH.
Having him be from the Fox Universe would have soured me on the entire thing. Deadpool is the only thing you need to keep and you can argue that he's not even connected to the rest of the Fox X-Men, apart from a few jokes.
My only issue is the lack of post-credit scene for White Vision, but I'm still really glad we get to keep Bettany, he really became one of my favorite character with this show.
AND THANK GOD FOR RALPH.
Having him be from the Fox Universe would have soured me on the entire thing. Deadpool is the only thing you need to keep and you can argue that he's not even connected to the rest of the Fox X-Men, apart from a few jokes.
I did think that too but after what she was doing this episode I don't think she is above just killing a dog for her own goals
Maria was very sick and got better, and then out of nowhere without having any control over it, Monica suddenly lost her. Seems like she might sympathize with Wanda for having a very similar experience with a loved one, no?
we can also stop acting like the kids are fake at this point. they're very very real.
But she thought she was doing everyone a favor because they were living "perfect " lives. She didn't know the pain she was inflicting because she's not a trained witch.
She understood her pain. As she explicitly states, several times.
Is she, though? Looks like she's reading up on how to become as powerful as possible.
Agreed. Not just that, Monica was mind controlled with everyone else, until she got shot out of there after saying the wrong thing.
After being "freed" from Westview, Monica said that she could feel what Wanda felt while she was in there- just grief, hopelessness- it didn't match up to Hayward's "terrorist" theory but WOULD be familiar to someone who lost their mother and hadn't healed from that yet.
There's a few ways to read that. I chose to see that as Wanda realizing her powers aren't what she thought they were, and she needs to know a lot more about how witchcraft works before she does something horrible like accidentally enslave a whole town again. Agatha clearly wasn't anywhere close to as strong as she was, but was still able to give her the business because her knowledge was vastly better. That shouldn't happen.
Does vision get all the good lines or is Bettany just that good at delivering them?
"I've been as voice without a body, a body but not human, and now a memory brought to life"
So good
"I've been as voice without a body, a body but not human, and now a memory brought to life"
So good
And as soon as she realized how the townspeople were actually effected, she stopped.
Both. Vision by his nature has to be a little more philosophical in his dialogue and Bettany's the guy to deliver it.
The Darkhold is arguably higher up the totem pole than Mephisto
Until I watched this show It kept me up at night wondering how the hell THAT guy had married Jennifer Connelly.
I don't wonder about this anymore.