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WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
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1. She wants to investigate the huge power energy and after that, steal the power.
2. Probably detects the power, it's not necessary to show this in my opinion.
3. He doesn't event have a storyline, he's just some device for Agatha to investigate and screw with Wanda. His likeness to another character is ilkely a meta joke.
4. True, he may appear in future movies.
5. True, same as 4. For now it's just a spell book with details about the Scarlet Witch.
6. They share the same grief.
7. He hates super powered individuals, he blames them for the snap.
8. Darcy is always a one liner character from the start lol.
She tried to, at least. But we all know that's not what Monica was talking about. Pushing it all back to Thanos is a stretch. Especially because they probably already know that because they had her nightmares when they slept.
If I cause a multiple car crash, and for some reason, I'm not even apologetic at all, even if nobody ends up physically hurt, I don't expect law enforcement to show up and tell me "These other drivers really don't appreciate what you did for them".
"They'll never understand the sacrifices you made."
You guys are fucking killing me here
They pulled another multiverse fake-out aughhhhh, I'll never learn. Other than that really solid finale.
Middling, but a capstone enough for the show. It keeps everything relatively contained while leaving things open, and Wanda and Vision have their character moments to the end.
It seemed an finely-balanced enough act with Wanda vs. Agatha and Vision vs. Vision while SWORD comes up to make everything worse, but it should've been Monica actively intercepting the soldiers, not the kids (Wanda and Vision siccing the kids on the soldiers is a bit wtf, honestly lol) and definitely bummed out that Quicksilver was discarded quickly.
I did like how Vision talked sword-Vision down, and I get why the other Vision bugged out. Chances are he's gonna be just as emotive as fake-Vision was during his breakdowns. Like how OG vision immediately lashed out at Thor when he woke up, except he's got a whole lot of other shit to process.
The sacrifice line was dumb, but I understand the intent behind it. A simple change in wording; or maybe a change of locale where Wanda tracks Monica down in private- would have made it so much better. In this vein, I understand how Monica is the perfect person to interact with Wanda in this context but definitely needed screentime with her trying to come to grips with her mother. I suspect it would be the type of thing to have too much overlap with her eventual CM2 appearance.
Holed up in the Alaskabolic Time Chamber I half-expect Wanda to be fully on another tier when she rolls up in Doctor Strange; she'll find him blundering around the multiverse, rip something from the Cancerverse in half with ease and she'll be like "man, so you're the Sorcerer Supreme?"
It seemed an finely-balanced enough act with Wanda vs. Agatha and Vision vs. Vision while SWORD comes up to make everything worse, but it should've been Monica actively intercepting the soldiers, not the kids (Wanda and Vision siccing the kids on the soldiers is a bit wtf, honestly lol) and definitely bummed out that Quicksilver was discarded quickly.
I did like how Vision talked sword-Vision down, and I get why the other Vision bugged out. Chances are he's gonna be just as emotive as fake-Vision was during his breakdowns. Like how OG vision immediately lashed out at Thor when he woke up, except he's got a whole lot of other shit to process.
The sacrifice line was dumb, but I understand the intent behind it. A simple change in wording; or maybe a change of locale where Wanda tracks Monica down in private- would have made it so much better. In this vein, I understand how Monica is the perfect person to interact with Wanda in this context but definitely needed screentime with her trying to come to grips with her mother. I suspect it would be the type of thing to have too much overlap with her eventual CM2 appearance.
Holed up in the Alaskabolic Time Chamber I half-expect Wanda to be fully on another tier when she rolls up in Doctor Strange; she'll find him blundering around the multiverse, rip something from the Cancerverse in half with ease and she'll be like "man, so you're the Sorcerer Supreme?"
He has the memories but I don't think he has the capacity for emotional connection yet... he doesn't have the mind stone.
Can I also just say how perfectly fitting it was for the vision vs vision fight to be resolved through dialogue.
Come on. The conversation was clearly about what had just happened, not about Vision in Infinity War.
But again, it doesn't matter either way. Wanda turned an entire town of people into slaves. "They'll never understand the sacrifice you made" is awful no mater what "sacrifice" you think she was referring to. It's irrelevant.
I enjoyed it, glad they didn't bring someone else in at the end to save the day i.e. Strange.
I can't see any other way the Vision's fight was ever going to end.
I thought the wards on the Hex were telegraphed in the previous episode.
I don't think Monica was absolving Wanda at the end just saying that she understood but the townsfolk never would, doesn't make it right either way though.
Overall I really enjoyed the season and the story it told.
I can't see any other way the Vision's fight was ever going to end.
I thought the wards on the Hex were telegraphed in the previous episode.
I don't think Monica was absolving Wanda at the end just saying that she understood but the townsfolk never would, doesn't make it right either way though.
Overall I really enjoyed the season and the story it told.
Hayward did much more than try to "stop Wanda", he was trying to steal a sentient super weapon for his own devices.
Also, he tried to murder two kids in broad daylight. (Be they magically created or not.)
Plus all the lying to other government agencies, framing Wanda for the theft of Vision's body, detaining citizens and other law enforcement officers without cause, etc.
You realize if you cause a car crash by accident you aren't actually held liable right?
Also Monica isn't a cop. She's a grounded pilot.
Ok. But it's telling that the only reactions people are sharing are either people like me who are disappointed in it being a fake out that was drawn out way too long, for literally no payoff, and people like you who just want to be smug "I told you guys it couldn't really be the multiverse lol!".
Like, you don't even like it for what was in the show, you just like it because other people didn't get what they wanted/expected, that being the appearance of a popular character. It's shit writing.
Series kind of dipped for me once they dropped the sitcom "gimmick". Had high hopes for the finale after the last episode but this all kind of fell flat for me.
Agatha out there looking like a bad Halloween costume. At least the scarlet witch outfit looked pretty good.
Agatha out there looking like a bad Halloween costume. At least the scarlet witch outfit looked pretty good.
It's not so much that she didn't get the same care as Wanda. I was never expecting that. Wanda's name is in the show title after all. It's that she got no care at all. And yeah, it does sting a little, because Monica at the start of this was hailed as being a new level of Black representation in the MCU. But Black characters have been the "support class" plenty, and this was no different than that.
Removing the racial argument from it, in a show that was already strapped for time, if you weren't going to do anything meaningful with her character you could have used some of her screen time for the bits of the show that were underdeveloped.
Yay, I'm glad somebody else caught that! She was studying the book via astral projection like Strange did, her magic was all glowy disc-looking like his spells for the first time, and a creepy version of Strange's theme was playing. Very curious where we pick up with Wanda in Doctor Strange 2.
I agree.
The 'It was Agatha All Along' reveal feels a bit damn silly to me now though
What...what was Agatha All Along? Wanda was the antagonist of the show and the focus of the finale was Wanda resolving her own grief and letting go of the past
One thing about White Vision is that, while a decent # of people guessed 'they merge', it was still surprising to see the confrontation end with the logic scene. I enjoyed that.
For sure, the interviews this week/morning were very much damage control. I think they prepared people with Bettany's mean culpa about the cameo but really didn't get ahead of the Fietro stuff.
For sure, the interviews this week/morning were very much damage control. I think they prepared people with Bettany's mean culpa about the cameo but really didn't get ahead of the Fietro stuff.
What a good finale, but man I'm left wanting so much more. Lots of questions and that post credits scene with Wanda looked crazy as fuck.
What happens next?
What happens next?
She works for what is positioned as a SHIELD type agency, who are a federal/global defense secret agency. She's totally employed as (superhero) law enforcement, whether you want to call her a cop or not.
There's a massive difference between "not being held liable" and "the other drivers are in the wrong for being pissed at you, actually they should appreciate what you did".
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The song was about her messing things up within the Hex and conjuring up fake Pietro. Which was explicitly shown in the show.
No way to be sure, but it seems like it's a split personality/astral projection thing.
One the kids dont count they are fake, he knew that and they just attacked the military. They were essentially another Wanda magical attack
Two we sadly don't know his motivations. Maybe Maria told him to revive Vision, maybe the president did. They planet just got decimated. They need weapons. To assume because he attacked Wanda makes him evil is lame. She was the evil one here. He was defending the citiizens on Westview, with a weapon he was likely ordered to build.
He detained three people who tried to disrupt his containing a hostage situation. No citizens were arrested.
Wanda was the villain here. And her family were pixels.
"Agatha All Along" was explained very clearly last week.
Wanda caused everything. Agatha then put herself into the bubble to see how she did it.
Literally the song is how was it that was fucking up everything, who was destabilizing the immersion of the illusion... it was Agatha all along
Every time there was a glitch or something was off in the world it was Agatha pressing Wanda to lose it and expose her power so she could steal it.
it's wild to me that people expected a show about wanda processing her grief was going to end with "jokes, vision is now merged into a new body, lol"
Agatha was pretty lame in the final episode. I liked her a lot when they were travelling through the memories last episode but she kinda failed to be anything other than generic power hungry bad guy in the end. I really wish they would have played her up as the actual good guy here, trying to stop the Scarlet Witch before she destroyed the world. Agatha's punishment is fucked up enough to make that storyline work.
Idk what the fuck to tell you, I was on board with the multiverse theories when he first showed up. Then it was *Agatha all along*, and it became immediately obvious that it wasn't that. She then straight up spelled out for us that she wasn't all that powerful at the end of the day, so where the hell would Fietro come from lol
I've always enjoyed it for what it likely (and ended up being) was, a little fun easter egg, maybe don't make assumptions. As I said before, there was a very obvious alternative reason as to why this specific show, WandaVision, a show that's a homage to sitcoms and all that, would pull this kind of stunt. So I made sure to never go all in on the multiverse theories to begin with *shrugs
Monica is speaking as someone who was a victim of Wanda's mojo too.
You missed the part where he rebuilt Vision against international law as a murderbot on top of it and then kidnapped an FBI agent to cover it up
It's amazing how everyone misses this part of Hayward actions despite the show mentioning at least twice that rebuilding vision was super illegal.
This ending has a lot of problems but his ain't one
Certainly, highlight of the episode. Possibly the series. Only the two Visions discussions of their existence comes close.
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And in the end, this show came down to an episode that consisted of forty minutes of characters shooting glowing orbs and beams at each other, a penis joke and leveraging a fake family and grief to excuse the fact that Wanda subjugated and tortured hundreds of people for weeks.
Great stuff there, Marvel.
Great stuff there, Marvel.