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WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
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She doesn't, I'm just saying that not only does she get out of this with effectively no consequences (because the family will be reunited eventually), but on top of that they wrote it such that somehow, the victims are the unreasonable ones for seeing her in a negative light. Wanda's last line in response to "they'll never know what you sacrificed" really should have been "at least it was my choice, something I took away from them" to at least IMPLY that she feels bad for her actions.
My totally just guessing theory about that second stinger is that wanda really is just trying to pull a banner and hide from the world while she deals with her grief. The scarlet witch wanda we see is what agatha was saying when she said "you have no idea what you've done" she unleashed this "evil" side of her but doesn't know it
With Olsen's acting, I think she could've pulled it off. That's what should convince the audience, that she was at least sorry. But agreed, there's really nothing a person can say in a situation like that, without it coming off as trite. But saying anything to them would've been better. Just a bit.
I'm usually not one of those 'why didn't the avengers show up!'
But the lack of Strange in any way shape or form when we KNOW they're in an upcoming movie together was pretty wild
But the lack of Strange in any way shape or form when we KNOW they're in an upcoming movie together was pretty wild
I will say, they used those 8 episodes to build Agatha up to being one of the more compelling MCU villains, and I hope we see a LOT of her going forward.
But Wanda? No. This entire show was basically "White Woman Tears: The Miniseries"
The weirdest part to me is that she didn't actually need an entire cast and crew to make vision/her kids.
I was wondering that myself when they were arresting him. "Being a bit of an asshole to Wanda" is the charge, I guess. They probably should've been arresting Wanda but she just flew away instead.
Honestly, around episode 5, I knew they weren't gonna be able to land this thing, and as they dragged resolving so much of the shows threads even further into the end, it was all but confirmed for me.
This was an awful finale. It does have some highs, particularly the wind down and getting to the good bye. But, they needed to resolve a multitude of plot lines that could have been resolved or more thoroughly explored episodes ago but wasn't because everything mystery needed to be maintained until the absolute 11th hour.
As far as the broader MCU, seems like we are getting more Skrulls but honestly, this just made me feel like the MCU is in this wheel spin. The fact that they started a plot thread around white vision and had him fly off despite having his memories for Wanda come back to him is absolutely fucking insane.
Honestly, it was that realization that completely undermined the goodbye - a physical, real vision with all his memories in tact is alive and well now and instead of doing literally anything with him, he flew off so Wanda could have a goodbye with a fake Vision? Wtf? Like, why show us a restored Vision before the goodbye then? What's the fucking point?
Honestly, there was terrible pacing going on for several episodes, same for the writing. The fact that so much shit they built up is left hanging or just gets completely dropped just made this finale all the more ridiculous.
This was an awful finale. It does have some highs, particularly the wind down and getting to the good bye. But, they needed to resolve a multitude of plot lines that could have been resolved or more thoroughly explored episodes ago but wasn't because everything mystery needed to be maintained until the absolute 11th hour.
As far as the broader MCU, seems like we are getting more Skrulls but honestly, this just made me feel like the MCU is in this wheel spin. The fact that they started a plot thread around white vision and had him fly off despite having his memories for Wanda come back to him is absolutely fucking insane.
Honestly, it was that realization that completely undermined the goodbye - a physical, real vision with all his memories in tact is alive and well now and instead of doing literally anything with him, he flew off so Wanda could have a goodbye with a fake Vision? Wtf? Like, why show us a restored Vision before the goodbye then? What's the fucking point?
Honestly, there was terrible pacing going on for several episodes, same for the writing. The fact that so much shit they built up is left hanging or just gets completely dropped just made this finale all the more ridiculous.
Olsen and Betanny are fucking great in this. Their final moments are heartbreaking but just so well realized. Their relationship feels fully earned. Interested in seeing where things go next for Wanda. White Vision was able to get his memories, but he doesn't have Hex Vision's Westview memories, with Wanda or their kids, and may be different after his experiences, especially without the Mind Stone. He probably has some philosophical questions to answer.
So in Doctor Strange 2 are they gonna pull her back from the brink by flying in White-Vision-That's-Vision-Again to reason with her? That's the only explanation for why he didn't like....go to her. There's so many moments that aren't explained or are explained so shittily!
Slap that quote next time you see someone defending drone strikes on civilians
I liked it for the most part, though that's partially because I didn't get invested into any of the theories going around (Fox multiverse, Dottie, Mephisto).
My only problem is the hand waving of what Wanda did to the people of that town. "They're never know what you sacrificed for them." Really? Fuck off with that line.
My only problem is the hand waving of what Wanda did to the people of that town. "They're never know what you sacrificed for them." Really? Fuck off with that line.
That's the thing. Unless it's secret cameo, he is not in that movie. If Paul were a major cast member, we would know.
So other than a secret cameo, White Vision is just kind of... out there. Somewhere.
She didn't create WestView intentionally, that was the whole point of the previous episode.
Her grief caused her powers to spiral out of control.
It's really that one line that sours the entire thing.
Her walking away from the empty lot is so good.
Ugh.
i'm excited to see what they do with the idea of "not quite vision"-vision. it's a shame this is a one off series, because this was such a nicer fit for them that the usual movie thing.
Well, that part she didn't wanted to. Her grief got mixed with the scarlet witch legendary power and it just kind of happened.
And then she kept rationalizing like she did here, "they are safe, they are peaceful, they are all right".
Which is ok and actually a good character arc. You do something bad on accident and convince yourself the bad is actually good? That's good story.
But they backed out on the last minute, Monica became the voice of a producer who didn't want a superhero being a bad guy and then it got weird.
Instead of "they never know what you sacrificed for them" (urgh), Monica should have gone with something like "I understand you, I would have done the same, but you gotta face the music". And then Wanda just left, like she did, because she know she screwed up, but she also know she is above paying for her mistakes by going to jail. She pays for her mistakes by being a superhero in the future.
Yeah, I even looked up a pic of him and Kirk Cameron and then typed it wrong. lol
I agree with this.
We got White Vision which intrigued me when he was unlocked, but then he flew off with no fanfare. Ok.
And to replace his mystery we got....skrulls, literally couldn't care less.
They really should have cut that whole scene she had in the town square with Monica
It didn't though. What did it rush through? It was almost half the running time of a feature film.
I liked it. Wished they were able to give more time to Darcy, Jimmy and Monica, but I am satisfied with the ending we got.
I liked the "Fietro is Ralph" reveal. Thought it was clever. Seriously. Did anyone in this thread guess that?
Saw the runes trick coming after last episode, but it was a decent telegraphed way for Wanda to win. The Agatha/Wanda fight was meh. Blasty magic battles usually are. The Vision battle was great though.
The finale wasn't brilliant, but it was good. And quite emotional. I didn't think they'd be willing to let the kids "die." I will agree that Monica was way too willing to be lenient to someone else grieving, but I get it. I would have liked Wanda to apologize, but I think things will get worse for her before they get better.
I liked the "Fietro is Ralph" reveal. Thought it was clever. Seriously. Did anyone in this thread guess that?
Saw the runes trick coming after last episode, but it was a decent telegraphed way for Wanda to win. The Agatha/Wanda fight was meh. Blasty magic battles usually are. The Vision battle was great though.
The finale wasn't brilliant, but it was good. And quite emotional. I didn't think they'd be willing to let the kids "die." I will agree that Monica was way too willing to be lenient to someone else grieving, but I get it. I would have liked Wanda to apologize, but I think things will get worse for her before they get better.
My main problem with Wanda's ending is that she was written to be an antihero, genuinely thinking that she was giving these people peace. But who thinks taking away someone's free will in order to pursue their own happiness can ever be anything more than a villain when you get down to it?
It's like Superman in Red Son all over.
It's like Superman in Red Son all over.
Well that was an ending, I'd probably be annoyed if I kept my expectation for other MCU people to show up even though no Strange was a let down... meh.
Ralph Bohner doesn't sound like a real name...
Ralph Bohner doesn't sound like a real name...
The thing is, I'm fine with giving Wanda this kind of complexity because Olsen is a fantastic actress that can showcase it.
yeah, I don't have a problem with Wanda causing the issues, exactly. she doesn't know how to deal with her actions/powers until she fully understands what caused them.
I do think the show was illustrating that well until that stupid line by Monica
yeah, I don't have a problem with Wanda causing the issues, exactly. she doesn't know how to deal with her actions/powers until she fully understands what caused them.
I do think the show was illustrating that well until that stupid line by Monica