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Flex1212

Member
Jul 12, 2019
4,144
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist? Pains me to say this as I was Team Mephisto but I will say no.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end? No. Vision will be no more.
  • Do the kids exist at the end? Yes.
  • What happens to Hayward? Nothing. His plan fails and he goes back to SWORD.
  • What happens to Agatha? She disappears - lives - reappears in the future somewhere.
  • What happens to Fietro? - He's the first MCU X-Men. He's from the Ultimates universe lol.
  • What happens to White Vision? He gets destroyed.
  • Who is Fietro? See above.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear? Yes - Mid credit teaser for Spiderman 3.
 

Persephone

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,408
I definitely think the kids are surviving but disappearing and that finding them will be at least some of DS2
 

Anatole

Member
Mar 25, 2020
1,427
I made a Bingo card. There is no way I get a Bingo from this, but hey.

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Adapting for the Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
    • Yes. I am still on Team Mephisto, because of what it means for the twins.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
    • Nope. Vision is gone. The emotional thrust of the episode will be saying goodbye.
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
    • I believe that the twins will be absorbed. I can think of only two alternatives. One is that they are aged up (but I think the casting would have leaked). Another is that Agatha becomes their babysitter.
  • What happens to Hayward?
    • I am going to go in on the most fun option here and say that Hayward is a Skrull.
  • What happens to Agatha?
    • Agatha becomes 'good' by the end of the episode. I think there is someone that she wanted Wanda to bring back to life, and with that off the table, she will become a mentor.
  • What happens to Fietro?
    • If he isn't Mephisto, he is gone.
  • What happens to White Vision?
    • Goner.
  • Who is Fietro?
    • I like the theory that he isn't from either the Fox or MCU universes.
  • What's up with Dottie?
    • Dottie is Wong, of course.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
    • Yep. Either last 10 minutes or post-credits.
 
Oct 27, 2017
45,044
Seattle
Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:

  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
    • Yes. It is mentioned or revealed in a post-credit scene, but the entity involved is not actually shown on camera.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
    • No. White Vision replaces Hex-Vision. Wanda learns to let go.
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
    • Yes. Either hanging out with Mom at Avengers Mansion learning to use their powers, or kidnapped by Agatha/unseen Phantom Menace.
  • What happens to Hayward?
    • Arrested by the end of the series, removed from Sword. Monica takes leadership role of SWORD.
  • What happens to Agatha?
    • Defeated by lives. Revealed to be either working DIRECTLY with unseen entity, or is under control of unseen entity. Appears in DS2 but is dealt with there.
  • What happens to Fietro?
    • Unclear. My gut says he's no-one, but I'm hedging my bets and says that Fietro stays around as X-Verse Quicksilver. I don't feel as good on this one as any other.
  • What happens to White Vision?
    • Rejoins Avengers/SWORD as emotionless Vision replacement. Paul Bettany sticks around but is seen less and less as White Vision is used elsewhere. Either Thunderbolts/West Coast Avengers/New Avengers
  • Who is Fietro?
    • Unclear. See Fietro answer above.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
    • Yes. Hell yes. I'm so sure on this one, I'm willing to take an avatar bet. BET ME YOU COWARDS.


We haven't had an Avatar Bet in awhile.
 

Android

Member
Oct 28, 2017
803
Vancouver
Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:

  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
  • What happens to Hayward?
  • What happens to Agatha?
  • What happens to Fietro?
  • What happens to White Vision?
  • Who is Fietro?
  • What's up with Dottie?
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
yes Nightmare or Mephisto in end credits (played by Al Pacino :P)

Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
no, but his mind might exsist in the shutdown white visions head.

Do the kids exist at the end?
Yes, but in multiverse or hostages

What happens to Hayward?
Killed

What happens to Agatha?
Thought dead but escapes

What happens to Fietro?
Mind freed, keeps powers, becomes a hero of his own

What happens to White Vision?
Mostly destroyed but salvagable and possibly carrying Vision consciousness.

Who is Fietro?
Jimmy Woo's fbi contact

What's up with Dottie?
She is Wong sent in as a scout

Does Doctor Strange Appear?
Yes
 
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DrForester

Mod of the Year 2006
Member
Oct 25, 2017
21,651
Adapting for the Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
    • Yes. I am still on Team Mephisto, because of what it means for the twins.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
    • Nope. Vision is gone. The emotional thrust of the episode will be saying goodbye.
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
    • I believe that the twins will be absorbed. I can think of only two alternatives. One is that they are aged up (but I think the casting would have leaked). Another is that Agatha becomes their babysitter.
  • What happens to Hayward?
    • I am going to go in on the most fun option here and say that Hayward is a Skrull.
  • What happens to Agatha?
    • Agatha becomes 'good' by the end of the episode. I think there is someone that she wanted Wanda to bring back to life, and with that off the table, she will become a mentor.
  • What happens to Fietro?
    • If he isn't Mephisto, he is gone.
  • What happens to White Vision?
    • Goner.
  • Who is Fietro?
    • I like the theory that he isn't from either the Fox or MCU universes.
  • What's up with Dottie?
    • Dottie is Wong, of course.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
    • Yep. Either last 10 minutes or post-credits.

Yes.

Yes, kind of (Hex vision's "soul" takes over white Vision's body.)

Yes

He's just an asshole

Killed when she tries to suck out Wanda's powers and Wanda reverses it.

Don't care

See answer to #2

Even Peters

Dottie was just a red herring

Oh yeah
 

valinthyne

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,394
Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:


Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
Yes. Cthon is teased at the end (hopefully voiced by Mark Hamill).

Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
Yes. Rambeau absorbs 'our' Vision and blasts White Vision with him to combine the two.

Do the kids exist at the end?
No. Never did.

What happens to Hayward?
Nothing.

What happens to Agatha?
Shes being controlled by Cthon. Wanda breaks that. Promises to help Wanda develop control over her powers.

What happens to Fietro?
Also controlled by Cthon. Thats revealed broken in mid credits and that he's not the only one who came through from his dimension (Dottie's back).

What happens to White Vision?
Becomes Vision's new body.

Who is Fietro?
He's not the Fox QS though he is a QS.

Does Doctor Strange Appear?
Yes, post credits. Looking for the Darkhold.
 
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FinKL

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
2,949
So I haven't been keeping up with episode leaks, but has there been early episode drops via leakers? Like lets say Game of Thrones had the episode a few hours before going live in the US, has that happened for any of the WandaVision eps?
 

TheKeyPit

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
5,865
Germany
White Vision: "I was born today." with James Spader's voice.

Everyone thinks that this will lead to Doctor Strange MoM? What if this is happening concurrently and that's how FOX Quicksilver got dropped into this universe?

PS: wtf @ these lists. I immediately want to skip every post like that.
 

oofouchugh

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,966
Night City
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
Yes. Agatha and Hayward both walk a line of not really being a villain, and we get a Mephisto or Cthon teaser to close things out as Agatha shifts to mentoring Wanda.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
No. Regardless of what happens with the two current Visions, neither are the original. I think the two will fuse in some way and accept they're a new individual and not the original Vision. Wanda and Vis will end up going separate ways after the show.
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
Yes. I think they'll tie into the reveal/teaser for Mephisto/Cthon, and their status at the end of the show will end up pushing Agatha and Wanda together and set up the next Dr Strange movie.
  • What happens to Hayward?
Nothing significant. He just runs back to Sword HQ pouting that he lost Vision.
  • What happens to Agatha?
Wanda mentor arch.
  • What happens to Fietro?
We never see him again after the show and he goes back to being a random MCU human.
  • What happens to White Vision?
Fuses with the Wanda Vision, being a different entity and continuing to exist in the MCU as White Vision.
  • Who is Fietro?
Witness protection dude that ends up not mattering at all or ever seen again in the MCU.
  • What's up with Dottie?
Nothing, she just played the character Wanda made her for that episode and Agatha played into it to maintain appearances.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
No.
 

Wrexis

Member
Nov 4, 2017
21,229
www.darkhorizons.com

"WandaVision" Pair Temper Finale Theories - Dark Horizons

We’re just hours away from the finale of Marvel Studios’ “WandaVision” and those involved are tempering expectations following weeks of fervent discussion as to how the show might end. SPOILERS AHEAD FOR “WANDAVISION” UP TO 1×08. This is a series about dealing with grief and so the ending is...

Paul Bettany has confirmed who the actor he wants to work with is.

"Yeah, you know when you think something is gonna be funny and then you panic? Which is what I actually did because fans started guessing who it might be. They were guessing people like BC or PS and I was thinking, 'God, that's a good idea, and they're going to be so disappointed when they find out it's me.'"
 
Oct 28, 2017
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www.darkhorizons.com

"WandaVision" Pair Temper Finale Theories - Dark Horizons

We’re just hours away from the finale of Marvel Studios’ “WandaVision” and those involved are tempering expectations following weeks of fervent discussion as to how the show might end. SPOILERS AHEAD FOR “WANDAVISION” UP TO 1×08. This is a series about dealing with grief and so the ending is...

Paul Bettany has confirmed who the actor he wants to work with is.


who is PS and BC?
 

Cuburger

Member
Oct 28, 2017
10,975
PS: wtf @ these lists. I immediately want to skip every post like that.
A lot of them aren't even interesting to read if it's just answers like "Yes. No. Maybe."

I guess it's just a way of being on-record with our predictions so everyone can say, "I told you so," when they end up having guessed something correctly rather than being about theorycrafting.
 

egg

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
6,579
Rewatching Age if Ultron, I completely forget Wanda uses her powers to control the whole town to make them evacuate.

She was always that bitch.
 

denx

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,321
Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:

  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
  • What happens to Hayward?
  • What happens to Agatha?
  • What happens to Fietro?
  • What happens to White Vision?
  • Who is Fietro?
  • What's up with Dottie?
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
Yes, but they won't be part of the main plot of the finale. At most they'll be a mid/post-credits tease.
Hex Vision will die at the end.
Yes.
He'll get arrested and Monica will take over his job.
She'll survive and assume a mentor role for Wanda.
He'll be sent back to the Fox universe.
He'll get busted in the final fight. However the government will recover his remains and put him back online eventually.
Peter Maximoff from the X-Men movies.
Gonna take a swing here and say she's a Master of the Mystic Arts. This is the one I'm most unsure about tbh.
Yes, in a mid/post-credits scene with Wong.
 

TheKeyPit

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
5,865
Germany
It's why actual theories are more interesting than lists, but I guess with there being a handful of mysteries that we know will likely be resolved, it's easier to just talk about outcomes than how we get there, I suppose.
Well, to be honest, I'd like to discuss my theories but I just talked to someone for 90 minutes about some of that stuff and that's too much for a post here.
 

denx

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,321
btw I just rewatched Age of Ultron and I kinda miss Wanda's goth look ngl.
 

MadLaughter

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
13,092
It's why actual theories are more interesting than lists, but I guess with there being a handful of mysteries that we know will likely be resolved, it's easier to just talk about outcomes than how we get there, I suppose.

As the person who posted the actual survey thing in the first place, the stuff I find interesting is trying to link how the show was crafted with what people expect from it. Like, people thought the aerospace engineer was a big deal because Monica basically looks at the camera, there's a musical sting, and a sudden cut like it's a cliffhanger. On top of that, posing the same prompt to a group of people means you get things that can be interesting like 95% of people thinking Agatha survives this and a high number of people thinking these poor kids are about to get kidnapped. At the same time it felt open ended enough to let people respond however long or short they wanted to or had the time to.

I get that it can be repetitive, though. Sorry for that.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ah what the hell, I'll bite.
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
    No, there won't be any new characters introduced in the final episode.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
    I think he'll be absorbed into Cataract but his revival will come later.
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
    Nope, they're gone but Doctor Strange will cryptically offer to help Wanda get them back.
  • What happens to Hayward?
    Steps down as Director so that Monica can take over, then hands Cataract to General Ross.
  • What happens to Agatha?
    I think she'll disappear but show up in the future offer to teach her how to use Chaos Magic.
  • What happens to Fietro?
    He gets a Fox-style Quicksilver moment against the SWORD guys but then gets smashed into rocks by Cataract.
  • What happens to White Vision?
    General Ross appears and recruits him for the Thunderbolts, mirroring the post-credits scenes before Avengers.
  • Who is Fietro?
    Just a golem or Homunculus created by Agatha to serve her needs.
  • What's up with Dottie?
    She's totally Arcanna Jones, who will appear later as part of the Squadron Supreme, but nothing will happen yet.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
    Yep, to offer Wanda help in retrieving her twins. He won't admit it but he feels guilty that had to make Vision's death happen for Thanos to eventually lose.
 

Sleve McDichael

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
1,758
Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
No reveals, but Agatha will further hint at Mephisto or someone else.

Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
No, he's dead.

Do the kids exist at the end?
I don't think we'll get confirmation, but it will be hinted that they exist/are real.

What happens to Hayward?
Maybe demoted because of his piss-poor handling of the situation, but I think he survives the finale.

What happens to Agatha?
Escapes

What happens to Fietro?
When Agatha fucks off, the control spell on him is broken. He stays in our timeline.

What happens to White Vision?
Wanda and our Vision fuck him up

Who is Fietro?
A version of Quicksilver that is identical to but not the Fox Universe Quicksilver.

Does Doctor Strange Appear?
Yes, mid-credits
 

Cuburger

Member
Oct 28, 2017
10,975
As the person who posted the actual survey thing in the first place, the stuff I find interesting is trying to link how the show was crafted with what people expect from it. Like, people thought the aerospace engineer was a big deal because Monica basically looks at the camera, there's a musical sting, and a sudden cut like it's a cliffhanger. On top of that, posing the same prompt to a group of people means you get things that can be interesting like 95% of people thinking Agatha survives this and a high number of people thinking these poor kids are about to get kidnapped. At the same time it felt open ended enough to let people respond however long or short they wanted to or had the time to.

I get that it can be repetitive, though. Sorry for that.
I don't think it's your fault. I started going through them for that same reason of seeing how many people might think a certain outcome will happen, but at a certain point it becomes redundant or indecipherable due to how people leave out the questions or put one word answers and as someone who has enjoyed reading through most of this thread, even I was feeling like a lot of these responses are just not interesting to me.

Most people don't seem to care about theorycrafting anymore anyways.
 

denx

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,321
I could listen to Vision waxing philosophical all day.

That final conversation with Ultron is great.
 

Sblargh

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,926
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist? Pains me to say this as I was Team Mephisto but I will say no.
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end? No. Vision will be no more.
  • Do the kids exist at the end? Yes.
  • What happens to Hayward? Nothing. His plan fails and he goes back to SWORD.
  • What happens to Agatha? She disappears - lives - reappears in the future somewhere.
  • What happens to Fietro? - He's the first MCU X-Men. He's from the Ultimates universe lol.
  • What happens to White Vision? He gets destroyed.
  • Who is Fietro? See above.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear? Yes - Mid credit teaser for Spiderman 3.

  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist? Maybe in the post-credits, but the main show nah
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end? Sadly no.
  • Do the kids exist at the end? Yes.
  • What happens to Hayward? Murdered by his murderbot
  • What happens to Agatha? In exile training Wanda.
  • What happens to Fietro? Poof, but there might be a post-credit scene that at least his image was taken from the Fox universe.
  • What happens to White Vision? Destroyed on the final battle.
  • Who is Fietro? A construct, but the way he looks is not a coincidence.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear? Maybe in the post-credits.
 

Neoxon

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
85,299
Houston, TX
Pre-Finale Prediction Survey:

  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
  • What happens to Hayward?
  • What happens to Agatha?
  • What happens to Fietro?
  • What happens to White Vision?
  • Who is Fietro?
  • What's up with Dottie?
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
  • Is there another unrevealed antagonist?
    • No
  • Does 'our' Vision exist at the end?
    • No
  • Do the kids exist at the end?
    • Yes, but Wanda has to get them back in DS2.
  • What happens to Hayward?
    • Arrested for breaking the Sokovia Accords.
  • What happens to Agatha?
    • She survives
  • What happens to Fietro?
    • Goes back to his home universe
  • What happens to White Vision?
    • Destroyed
  • Who is Fietro?
    • Fox's Quicksilver
  • What's up with Dottie?
    • Not much, really.
  • Does Doctor Strange Appear?
    • Yes