I really think this was around the time that Kevin Feige first flexed his creative control of the MCU in a major way.
I remember thinking at the time that many of the things you list actually made Ultron a pretty weak movie. The introduction of Vision, for example, felt like textbook studio meddling, shoehorned into an already stuffed movie to please some exec. But in this case, that exec seemed to have been in the right. Nearly all of the seeds planted in that film have now borne fruit.
Here's the thing though: at this point, it's gone beyond "Easter egg." They introduced him with the intent of teasing that he is the Fox Pietro. If they had made it clear that he's not the Fox Pietro in his first full episode, that would be one thing. But they've been coy about it the entire time, purposefully building a mystery around who he is that will likely be answered in the finale.
If it's just, "We cast Evan Peters to trick people for half the series," that will be super disappointing.
Like I said, the alternative is just so much less interesting and it kills one of the coolest moments I've experienced in the MCU. When it happens I literally yelled "what!", nothing else has made me do that. And because we do know that the multiverse and x-men are coming, it makes even less sense for this to be a fake out. It adds absolutely nothing but takes sooo much away.
Absolutely. the internet went crazy. I'll be disappointed if it's just a "fan nod" when we know the multiverse and mutants are on the horizon. I think that would be disappointing more people than the vocal minority that would hate to see it. I feel like all the signs are there that his appearance has significance. It seems like those that want to think that's it's just a cute nod, mostly don't like this character or don't want to see mutants introduced through him, and that's fine. Hey maybe they are right.Like I said, the alternative is just so much less interesting and it kills one of the coolest moments I've experienced in the MCU. When it happens I literally yelled "what!", nothing else has made me do that. And because we do know that the multiverse and x-men are coming, it makes even less sense for this to be a fake out. It adds absolutely nothing but takes sooo much away.
Isn't Quintin Beck's lie a bit out of story? He says he's from Earth-833 and the specific terminology he makes up, happens to exist in the other marvel stories, and how they depict the multiverse.But the whole Evan Peters thing is completely out-of-story. Mysterio's words are in-universe dialogue. They're two different things. Like.. you're talking about people connecting casting and the title of the next Strange film as a "fake out" when it's not. That's fan speculation, not MCU Creatives using a fake out.
I wouldn't say it's just an easter egg, like the funny dr strange reference in the raimi movie. Mysterio's lie is crucial to the plot, how a new hero can suddenly appear in the world, fair enough, but it's a bit "out of story" he can just pull the specific multiverse terms out of his arse.Here's the thing though: at this point, it's gone beyond "Easter egg." They introduced him with the intent of teasing that he is the Fox Pietro. If they had made it clear that he's not the Fox Pietro in his first full episode, that would be one thing. But they've been coy about it the entire time, purposefully building a mystery around who he is that will likely be answered in the finale.
If it's just, "We cast Evan Peters to trick people for half the series," that will be super disappointing.
I disagree with the idea that they're teasing it simply by casting Evan Peters. Otherwise the same should be said for JJJ in Far From Home.
Simply by introducing him, they're teasing that he is Pietro from the X-Men universe. By not disproving that idea at all, they're dragging out the tease that they put in the show. He's there because they want people to think he might be the Fox Pietro.
I mean, the audio description for the episode literally says "Wanda stares at the version of Pietro from the X-Men films."
I'm hoping Hayward is somehow Ultron and got to finally create his Vision
Who knew Vision was such a poet."A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts."
Guarantee we hear this repeated next week
I disagree with this part. Agatha wants to know HOW she was doing it. Because she wants to do it too.True in that. In fairness the sentiment on the quoted stereotype tends to focus more on a general loss of emotional control and tying it to losing male influences, but the episode does do a good job especially with the final SWORD/Westview flashback on emphasizing that she has been left with nothing. And while it is a moment of weakness it's not one servient to someone or something else.
On that note it is impressive how that actually stuck with Agatha just being a passerby. There is no plan or scheme, she's just a passing witch who felt her power, power beyond anything she's ever known, and was essentially prodding and goading her just to see what her deal was. And that was honestly nice to see.
Vision: Well, I was born"A thing isn't beautiful because it lasts."
Guarantee we hear this repeated next week
This, 👆Yes, but Thanos was behind the events of Avengers, an antagonist in the shadows that is foreshadowed in the opening events of the movie.
Mutants have no role in WandaVision and that's the case whether or not Fietro is plucked from Fox (in which case the source of his superpowers is frankly utterly unimportant for the story) or just stunt casting (which I still think is the more likely outcome and works just as well if not better story-wise).
It's just not additive to anything and mutants are too far away for it to be a satisfactory tease. They're being pretty clear in this that Wanda is in the magic sphere of the MCU and I'm betting that is kept fairly distinct from mutants.
What thing?
Isn't Quintin Beck's lie a bit out of story? He says he's from Earth-833 and the specific terminology he makes up, happens to exist in the other marvel stories, and how they depict the multiverse.
The JJJ thing isn't the same thing at all.
Come on, this is obviously the intent by casting him.
It isn't really up for debate that they were teasing this being Fox Pietro.
the back up thing in avengers infinite war
Maybe she was just being under the radarThe Scarlet Witch saved half the galaxy and she is forced to drive a Buick.
I don't know, the whole relationship feels...unfleshed out to me. Beyond the particulars of the scene, we skipped over a whole lot of their relationship, and this showing of grief so immense as to change an entire town feels...at least a little unearned.
Wait does the Wanda resurrected vision has a infinity stone on his head or nah ? Because of he does... she can materialize infinity stones 🤔
She taught us she was a bigot and an anti-vaxer. That's something!
lmaoShe taught us she was a bigot and an anti-vaxer. That's something!
That sounds like a leap of logic, Ant Man, and Strange might have heard of those terminology who are discovering these extradimensional regions, but I wouldn't assume these hologram technicians were in the position, that Beck's fabrications would match up with the exact terminology.It's not out of story. The accuracy of the terms he uses is just one of the many things that the MCU uses to stay true to the comics. The character and his minions (for lack of a better term off the top of my head) were all people that were previously in positions to know about these kinds of terms and theories, whether they turn out to be true or not.
Nah with Hayward, he is WYSISYG.I'm hoping Hayward is somehow Ultron and got to finally create his Vision
I mean she never got to finish before Vision got his head caved in/half of all live was snapped. You can't really make a back up once your computer is fried.
I disagree with this part. Agatha wants to know HOW she was doing it. Because she wants to do it too.
She was shocked that Wanda had no training. She had figured that Wanda was a super experienced witch who had figured out how to do spells she didn't know.
Agatha is shown basically eating magical energy at the beginning of the the episode. She seems to get stronger as it happens (which actually goes against the the Dr Strange yes. Magic for the Sorcerers are about skill and understanding. It seems that witches have some innate understanding of magic but still need training.)
The trope of the person born with magic but needs training is an old one. But based on the gifs from earlier from Thor Ragnork and the most recent episode shows that magic has some rules, and Wanda breaking them.
And that freaks Agatha out to the point that she makes it a hostage situation.
It calls back to the opening scene. Magic used in "incorrect" ways by Agatha required her to be punished. She pleaded to not be and her own mother was drained and killed.
Now Agatha is telling Wanda that she isn't allowed to use her magic that way.
It doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things, but sure I guess...
Not saying one can't be disappointed whatsoever for Pietro specifically, I get it. I'm just saying the whole idea of people being mad over another fakeout is silly because we're still getting multiverse stuff. A fakeout only hurts me personally if I knew they were never going to delve into the multiverse, or ever introduce the X-Men. But that's just me lol
That sounds like a leap of logic, Ant Man, and Strange might have heard of those terminology who are discovering these extradimensional regions, but I wouldn't assume these hologram technicians were in the position, that Beck's lie would match up with the exact terminology.
so it was all for nothing?I mean she never got to finish before Vision got his head caved in/half of all live was snapped. You can't really make a back up once your computer is fried.
It's not out of story. The accuracy of the terms he uses is just one of the many things that the MCU uses to stay true to the comics. The character and his minions (for lack of a better term off the top of my head) were all people that were previously in positions to know about these kinds of terms and theories, whether they turn out to be true or not.
You use the word "obviously" and declare that it "isn't up for debate" but the fact is Evan Peters was not obligated to accept the role. What you're saying here is tantamount to making the claim that had Evan Peters declined the role... a good portion of the back half of this show would have to be rewritten to work. Because if his casting is "obviously" intended to hint at the Fox Universe connecting... then there would have to be big changes to make that same suggestion if he turns it down.
YOU ARE OVER THINKING IT!!!And if Marvel is using the actor casting as the tie in to a multi-verse that includes Fox's X-Men... that also ties them into Fox's casting for those characters. I feel like Marvel absolutely doesn't want to do that. And by not connecting directly to Fox's Universe... it gives them the freedom to pick and choose whether they want to tap those actors to portray the roles again. I mean, people love Fassbender as Magneto but there are plenty of actors from the Fox films that may not want to return or that Marvel may not be keen on in those roles.
You are over thinking it.
Your Over Thinking It.
YOU ARE OVER THINKING IT!!!
This is not a David Lynch movie.
This is not a JJ Abrams mystery box.
This is the MCU.
The whole point of this series has been about Wanda and her grief. All she wants is to have a perfect life with Vision cuz her life sucked.
The twins are her happy as a family that she wishes she could have had.
And everything that was tearing down her illusion was always Agatha.
A person who wanted to steal her abilities.
He was trying to subtly goad her into trying to bring Vision back to life.Maybe I missed it earlier in the thread, but Hayward's conversation to Wanda at Sword HQ was very weird; like his lines were so leading I wasn't sure if it was mind control or Agatha pretending to be Hayward. "We don't all have the power to bring back the dead" (paraphrasing) at the time sounded like a straight up "well we can't do it your way"?
I think it's more curiosity than jealousy. She mentioned just how ridiculously complicated it would be for someone to weave so many different spells together to effectively rewrite the town and even the people in it and, yeah, the power required to pull something like this off is remarkable but...
I think she wants to help Wanda. She knows what it's like to have access to magic nobody will teach you how to use. She's seen all of the trauma Wanda has gone through, the bad choices she's made and the pain that drives her.
I think the reason Agatha is doing all this is to force Wanda to accept reality - to accept that Vision is gone, that her twin sons aren't real and that nobody in Westview belongs in Wanda's imaginary perfect world.
Once Wanda accepts these facts and removes the Hex, perhaps Agatha can teach her how to use her powers properly so this sort of thing doesn't happen again. In that sense Agatha would be doing something that, really, only she can do - showing Wanda a path out of the forest she's lost in.
I wonder what the last TV thread was on Era that reached 20 k posts.
The Scarlet Witch saved half the galaxy and she is forced to drive a Buick.
I just checked and Game of Thrones season 8 had two OTs both reach 20k then a third OT make it to around 17k. Not to mention a spoiler thread for that season that got up to 17k as well. Goddamn people were thirsty for that show. Don't think anything else has come close.I wonder what the last TV thread was on Era that reached 20 k posts.
Man these reveals were pretty lame.
1) So Wanda was apparently special all along and had magic powers since she was a kid. Even though Agatha and Doctor Strange specifically explain you need to learn magic to use it.
2) Hydra's experimentation was to lock people in a room and make them touch the mind stone, which apparently killed them all (except for Wanda and Pietro)? Meanwhile, multiple people make direct contact with the mind stone when Loki stabs them with it to mind control them in Avengers and nothing happened to them.
The mind stone showing Wanda her being "The Scarlet Witch" and them teasing this outfit in character posters makes me believe we gonna see her at the end of the last episode in the Scarlet Witch outfit.
With this being the case i feel like she will have a either antagonist persona leading into Multiverse Of Madness or she could be trained by Doctor Strange because her hands look like stuff Strange would do to cast magic.