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WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
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From what I recall the most meddling they did was the Thor Ragnarok tease
It doesn't change anything in the grand scheme of things, but sure I guess...
Not saying one can't be disappointed whatsoever for Pietro specifically, I get it. I'm just saying the whole idea of people being mad over another fakeout is silly because we're still getting multiverse stuff. A fakeout only hurts me personally if I knew they were never going to delve into the multiverse, or ever introduce the X-Men. But that's just me lol
See, I disagree about it not making sense. There's an obvious alternate explanation for why this specific show, WandaVision, which plays with sitcom tropes and all that, would find it cute to do a little wink and nod with Fox's Pietro.
I don't disagree that it's a lot less interesting in comparison, but that's a separate matter. At any rate, I'll continue to keep expectations in check, especially given that pretty much the only big theory that's been right so far is Agnes being Agatha. (Well, not that that was hard to guess) Not to mention she also doesn't seem all that powerful either.
For those of y'all going all in on the theory, best of luck, I hope it pans out.
Absolutely. the internet went crazy. I'll be disappointed if it's just a "fan nod" when we know the multiverse and mutants are on the horizon. I think that would be disappointing more people than the vocal minority that would hate to see it. I feel like all the signs are there that his appearance has significance. It seems like those that want to think that's it's just a cute nod, mostly don't like this character or don't want to see mutants introduced through him, and that's fine. Hey maybe they are right.
I'm prepared to eat crow and be disappointed :(
Isn't Quintin Beck's lie a bit out of story? He says he's from Earth-833 and the specific terminology he makes up, happens to exist in the other marvel stories, and how they depict the multiverse.
I wouldn't say it's just an easter egg, like the funny dr strange reference in the raimi movie. Mysterio's lie is crucial to the plot, how a new hero can suddenly appear in the world, fair enough, but it's a bit "out of story" he can just pull the specific multiverse terms out of his arse.
The JJJ thing isn't the same thing at all.
Come on, this is obviously the intent by casting him.
It isn't really up for debate that they were teasing this being Fox Pietro.
I think it's meant to be paid off later, but Evan being Pietro in the MCU is too on the nose not to mean something at some point. Feige does nothing by accident.
Wanda is either creating these beings out of magic / sheer will / plot fingers, or she's pulling them from alternate realities - I have to imagine it's the latter since we're literally getting a Multiverse film and this show ties in with said Multiverse film.
Also, do we know if Sparky was outright created by Wanda or if there was already a Sparky in the town and her magic just lured it into a sitcom plotline?
Also, do we know if Sparky was outright created by Wanda or if there was already a Sparky in the town and her magic just lured it into a sitcom plotline?
I disagree with this part. Agatha wants to know HOW she was doing it. Because she wants to do it too.
She was shocked that Wanda had no training. She had figured that Wanda was a super experienced witch who had figured out how to do spells she didn't know.
Agatha is shown basically eating magical energy at the beginning of the the episode. She seems to get stronger as it happens (which actually goes against the the Dr Strange yes. Magic for the Sorcerers are about skill and understanding. It seems that witches have some innate understanding of magic but still need training.)
The trope of the person born with magic but needs training is an old one. But based on the gifs from earlier from Thor Ragnork and the most recent episode shows that magic has some rules, and Wanda breaking them.
And that freaks Agatha out to the point that she makes it a hostage situation.
It calls back to the opening scene. Magic used in "incorrect" ways by Agatha required her to be punished. She pleaded to not be and her own mother was drained and killed.
Now Agatha is telling Wanda that she isn't allowed to use her magic that way.
The mind stone showing Wanda her being "The Scarlet Witch" and them teasing this outfit in character posters makes me believe we gonna see her at the end of the last episode in the Scarlet Witch outfit.
With this being the case i feel like she will have a either antagonist persona leading into Multiverse Of Madness or she could be trained by Doctor Strange because her hands look like stuff Strange would do to cast magic.
With this being the case i feel like she will have a either antagonist persona leading into Multiverse Of Madness or she could be trained by Doctor Strange because her hands look like stuff Strange would do to cast magic.
Vision: Well, I was born
It's not out of story. The accuracy of the terms he uses is just one of the many things that the MCU uses to stay true to the comics. The character and his minions (for lack of a better term off the top of my head) were all people that were previously in positions to know about these kinds of terms and theories, whether they turn out to be true or not.
You use the word "obviously" and declare that it "isn't up for debate" but the fact is Evan Peters was not obligated to accept the role. What you're saying here is tantamount to making the claim that had Evan Peters declined the role... a good portion of the back half of this show would have to be rewritten to work. Because if his casting is "obviously" intended to hint at the Fox Universe connecting... then there would have to be big changes to make that same suggestion if he turns it down.
And if Marvel is using the actor casting as the tie in to a multi-verse that includes Fox's X-Men... that also ties them into Fox's casting for those characters. I feel like Marvel absolutely doesn't want to do that. And by not connecting directly to Fox's Universe... it gives them the freedom to pick and choose whether they want to tap those actors to portray the roles again. I mean, people love Fassbender as Magneto but there are plenty of actors from the Fox films that may not want to return or that Marvel may not be keen on in those roles.
We literally watched her have to kill Vision traumatically only for Thanos to undo it and kill him again in front of her.
You could see the utter grief there
I guess when you think about it, if Thanos used the stones to destroy the stones, why can't the stones be used to create stones too?
And since Wanda's powers appear to be amplified in some way by the Mind stone, I could see it being possible for her to create more stones, but I imagine the effort would probably kill her. She might be able to survive creating a single stone, but I wonder how much that would take out of her. She is insanely powerful...
She taught us she was a bigot and an anti-vaxer. That's something!
That sounds like a leap of logic, Ant Man, and Strange might have heard of those terminology who are discovering these extradimensional regions, but I wouldn't assume these hologram technicians were in the position, that Beck's fabrications would match up with the exact terminology.
Nah with Hayward, he is WYSISYG.
He's an asshole that wants a weapon. They even flat out told you in his first scene.
He talks about building weapons, it's all he is interested in. Monica points out that the acronym stands for Observation and Response. Hayward shrugs it off.
Truth is I understand his point Blip. But he's still an asshole.
I mean she never got to finish before Vision got his head caved in/half of all live was snapped. You can't really make a back up once your computer is fried.
I do agree and I realize I misspoke. What I was actually thinking of was motive more than anything else. Like, there's no evidence of a Greater-Scope Villain, it doesn't seem like Agatha has some kind of grand plan that Wanda's a part of. Quite simply, she's intrigued and freaked out by Wanda's sheer magical power and wants to know where it comes from and how a novice could do so much, most likely so that she can take or consume that power for herself. And she was attempting to goad it out by playing along with the sitcom schtick but is jumping on now to more actively figure her out. And next week we'll see what her ultimate takeaway is now that she's aware of the "mythical" thing before her.
With the general acceptance that the X-Men are going to be rebooted for the MCU, it seems like there's this increasing fan-hope that they're actually going to somehow meld at least some part of the FoX-Men into it instead, especially with the popular characters like Peters' Quicksilver. So what my have just been intended as a casting gag inadvertently fuels this hype, a hype that is only doomed to deflate.
The people in Mysterios group were far more than "hologram technicians." Some of them were the best and brightest from Stark Industries that were disgruntled because they never got credit or recognition for the roles they played in the creation of the technology in play in the World. And most importantly they all worked as a unit (even if Quinton was an ass of a leader). So those that would have had the scientific knowledge of the terms for such theories would have absolutely shared that with those in charge of creating the stories to sell the lie. Because ultimately they didn't just have to sell that lie to Peter but to SHIELD.
Didn't one of Wandas kids exhibit a blue energy like the witches in the opening scene when he gained his powers?
You are over thinking it.
Your Over Thinking It.
YOU ARE OVER THINKING IT!!!
This is not a David Lynch movie.
This is not a JJ Abrams mystery box.
This is the MCU.
The whole point of this series has been about Wanda and her grief. All she wants is to have a perfect life with Vision cuz her life sucked.
The twins are her happy as a family that she wishes she could have had.
And everything that was tearing down her illusion was always Agatha.
A person who wanted to steal her abilities.
Maybe I'm a missing something but... nothing that you just posted has literally anything to do with what I was discussing. So... in the case that I am missing something, could you extrapolate on how my discussion about whether or not the Casting of Evan Peters was a "tease" of a multiverse has anything to do with the primary thrust of the plot of Wandavision?
Aside from that, I agree with what you're saying here in general. I just don't see how it has anything to do with the conversation I was having there.
He was trying to subtly goad her into trying to bring Vision back to life.
Yes. Agatha is knowingly or unknowingly making Wanda face her grief. I wonder if Agatha herself is trapped in the Hex. Her mentioning of costumes suggests she too has her clothes and look change everytime the sitcom changes eras but she somehow still has more agency.
I think at the end Wanda has to choose between going with Strange or Agatha but ultimately choses Strange instead. It might turn out that Strange is unable to help Wanda, and she switches sides in a Dr Strange 2 post credit scene, going back to Agatha instead.
I don't think this has ever happened.
Didn't happen with The Mandalorian or the final season of Game of Thrones.
Game of Thrones S7 at the old place had something like 35k posts.
Random thought: No one survived the experiments with the Tessaract, except Pietro and Wanda. We know now part of that survival is because Wanda already had a little something in the tank prior.
So, in the absence of mutants: did Wanda provide a little juice to save her brother, giving him powers?
So, in the absence of mutants: did Wanda provide a little juice to save her brother, giving him powers?
In lore, perhaps she's just nostalgic for them given her love of old American sitcoms. Or just doesn't care about the kind of car she drives given her roots.
In show, Buick may have payed handsomely for the product placement.
I just checked and Game of Thrones season 8 had two OTs both reach 20k then a third OT make it to around 17k. Not to mention a spoiler thread for that season that got up to 17k as well. Goddamn people were thirsty for that show. Don't think anything else has come close.
Dragon Ball Super had a bunch of threads reach 20k as well but not entirely sure if that counts
Stark toaster during the Dick Van Dyke pastiche because her parents were killed while they were watching Dick Van Dyke. Hence red flashing light on toaster matching blinking red light. First Trauma
Strucker Watch = being recruited by Baron Von Strucker. You can make a connection that experimentation and her realizing she had powers started here so that's why she associates it with Bewitched and thus that pastiche
Hydra Soap is her full integration into Hyrda and knee deep in their experimentation, believing their lies, believing she coukd change, dare I say, clean up the world. Soap works here for her motivations for working for Hydra and for the fact that an element of brainwashing by Hydra got her to buy in. It's associated with Brady Bunch pastiche as that's what she watched a lot in confinement between experiments.
Chronologically these two represent trauma of regret for believing in the lies of Strucker and Hydra and also the loss of her brother... but worth noting the commercials don't address Pietro largely because that trauma is so deep seated that even bringing it up wrecks her hold on the tv reality temporarily.
The next is Lagos paper towel. This one is the most on the nose, it's the trauma Wanda experienced when her attempt to control a bomb explosion went aray and triggered Civil War. Tag line literally references cleaning up messes you didn't mean to make
Now there's no direct tie in to the Family Ties pastiche and time will tell if Wanda pulled Pietro from the FoX-Men universe and Agatha merely controlled him or if Agatha is entirely responsible for Pietro appearing.
If it is Wanda's doing Family Ties serves nicely because it's literally about Wanda reestablishing a family tie at the end.
From this point on btw is when Agatha really starts to take over and fuck with Wanda
So the next commercials aren't pure Wanda Trauma but manifestations of Agatha's psyche
Yo Magic is literally what Agatha does, she feeds off other people's Magic, the kid in the commercial before he turns to bone looks similar to how the witches Agatha killed looked like when they died, and also is a hint at future trauma for Wanda as good chance Agatha wants to dtain Wanda's magic.
Malcolm in the Middle pastiche here is a bit out of trauma continuity because it's this show she associates with the trauma of losing Pietro and working through it with Vision
Butttt it works because the previous episode basically ends with Wanda accepting that Pietro isn't Pietro so now her world is able to go to that trauma and address it
Nexus Antidepressants, i mean the obvious is everything in this world is a product of Wanda's depression, and Nexus is a hint at Agatha's home and potentially that Wanda is a Nexus being.
Now why Modern Family pastiche? I kind of wonder if this wasn't more Agatha's doing, it's a sitcom trapping ripe for enabling manipulation and destabilization as it literally involves fake documentary crews and 4th wall breakingish stuff.
Also interesting that the modern family pastiche actually follows Agatha with Wanda's kids, might be the first time a scene in sitcom world is seen without Wanda or Vision present (though maybe some with Pietro in the previous episode not sure) and of course Agatha is literally able to trigger the Munsters pastiche at the end.
So there ya go
Btw I told y'all Vision wasn't really Vision
Their magician names weren't Illusion and Glamor for no reason
Their magician names weren't Illusion and Glamor for no reason
I'd really like it if Agatha is Wanda's main villain going forward, I know it's been done but the fact they are very similar is great to me and it really solidifies Scarlet Witch as a hero in her own right with her own origin story, name and villain.
Agatha's line about not breaking the rules but the rules bending to her power was pretty cool and powerful, it really shows how her and Wanda are similar, powerful witches who's power causes others to fear and hate them for reasons they can't control.
It shows what Wanda would become if she had gone down that dark path she had been following had she not joined the avengers
Agatha's line about not breaking the rules but the rules bending to her power was pretty cool and powerful, it really shows how her and Wanda are similar, powerful witches who's power causes others to fear and hate them for reasons they can't control.
It shows what Wanda would become if she had gone down that dark path she had been following had she not joined the avengers
This was speculation on Agatha's part. She insinuated that the missile wasn't defective like Wanda believed. Agatha is asserting that Wanda has always been a witch. I think she is wrong there too, she very well might end up being a mutant — powers activated at or around puberty (which could very well be 10-11 in some girls) and also having been augmented further by the mind stone.
They're not touching the mind stone when Loki is using the scepter to mind control people. They're being touched by the scepter which itself is being used by a magic user and demigod (Loki).
when Agatha's mom maxes her powers trying to stop her, she has a blue headpiece like Scarlet Wtch's costume headpiece, so when Wanda goes OP it will likely just appear on her.
