Catching up on White Vision's origin, and what is the chance that Hayward is Kang in disguise?
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WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
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All we really need to know is "dark magic." Like any "forbidden fruit" story, she was shunned and punished for reaching at knowledge she wasn't supposed to.
I think she was using magic that was too evil, even for them. Like Qyburn in Game of Thrones
Assuming it links remotely up to real history, her doing magic in Salem in 1693 likely led to 25 innocent people dying in the Salem witch trials.
I don't think Stark had anything to do with the Avengers during the time skip, and Vision had abandoned the team for some months prior to Infinity War to be with fugitive Wanda. Issue of "ownership" was murky at best.
I'd like to know what exactly the witches were into back in Salem. Like, are these Satan (or I guess Mephisto) worshipping, baby-eating, curse-casting witches? Are they the more "local medicine women that get a bad rap" type? Just a school of magic, like the Ancient One's over in Nepal?
Wouldn't mind a solo Scarlet Witch series down the line that deals more explicitly with that sort of thing.
Wouldn't mind a solo Scarlet Witch series down the line that deals more explicitly with that sort of thing.
Guys, Fietro is totally a magic construct.
Agatha doesn't call it a crystalline possession. Listen to it again, she doesn't pronounce it anywhere close. She calls it a crystallum possession.
en.wiktionary.org
"Crystallum" is Latin for either a crystal, a thing made of crystal, or a gem or stone resembling crystal. Fitting considering all of her spells are in Latin.
Fietro is a meat puppet that Agatha conjured up and is semi-possessing to control as "her eyes and ears." He looks like Evan Peters because Agatha admits it takes years to get illusions right and most likely screwed up, but because Wanda's a wreck she got away with it.
Agatha doesn't call it a crystalline possession. Listen to it again, she doesn't pronounce it anywhere close. She calls it a crystallum possession.
crystallum - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
"Crystallum" is Latin for either a crystal, a thing made of crystal, or a gem or stone resembling crystal. Fitting considering all of her spells are in Latin.
Fietro is a meat puppet that Agatha conjured up and is semi-possessing to control as "her eyes and ears." He looks like Evan Peters because Agatha admits it takes years to get illusions right and most likely screwed up, but because Wanda's a wreck she got away with it.
Maybe someone vouched for SWORD as being trustworthy. (By the end of Infinity War, Maria Rambeau was still alive and presumably, still in charge. It was assumed by the snap that she had beaten her cancer)
Though question is, who? After the events of Winter Soldier, I doubt Steve would have (even if he would have, he was still a fugitive so wouldn't have been listened to).
Maybe Tony? Or if the jurisdiction fell to whoever was in charge of Wakanda after T'challa died (since it was Wankandan soil + a vibranium body) the person in charge let SWORD/America have his body in a misguided attempt to follow T'challa's ideals of opening relations between Wakanda and the rest of the world.
Either way, I feel like Marvel might consider it too small a detail to mention.
Considering she made everything within the hex and altered the people in it, I feel like Vision and kids aren't going to survive this since they aren't really "real".
I hope we do conformation about Pietro being from the Fox-verse and that Wanda could be a mutant.
I hope we do conformation about Pietro being from the Fox-verse and that Wanda could be a mutant.
The magic was in her the whole time! Man I love this show.
Hopefully Loki has a role in Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness as well. I had heard that his show will tie in somehow? I really need the magical trio together wrecking shit
Hopefully Loki has a role in Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness as well. I had heard that his show will tie in somehow? I really need the magical trio together wrecking shit
Guys, Fietro is totally a magic construct.
Agatha doesn't call it a crystalline possession. Listen to it again, she doesn't pronounce it anywhere close. She calls it a crystallum possession.
crystallum - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
"Crystallum" is Latin for either a crystal, a thing made of crystal, or a gem or stone resembling crystal. Fitting considering all of her spells are in Latin.
Fietro is a meat puppet that Agatha conjured up and is semi-possessing to control as "her eyes and ears." He looks like Evan Peters because Agatha admits it takes years to get illusions right and most likely screwed up, but because Wanda's a wreck she got away with it.
Nope.
She says "crystalline."
?!
They literally show you that the "invite" was the deed to the property in Westview that was going to be hers and Vision's
No one dropped the invite she got that as her inheritance. She had it all along
I don't know how you pronounce "crystalline" but she pronounces it fucking wacky if that's what she's saying.
"Kris-STAHL-loon"? Really?
You bought Agatha's act. The begging and crying was BS just like her claiming innocence at the start. That scene shows that Agatha was power hungry even then and was practicing magic deemed too advanced for her as well as forbidden magic.
They could certainly tell a story about the specifics, and there's nothing wrong with your curiosity. But there's no question in my mind that she crossed lines she should never have crossed. That's cemented by the ease at which she kills her entire coven and then what she does in the "current" time to Wanda.
I dunno about anybody else but English CC isn't working for me right now so I'm literally replaying it several times to hear it right.
Pretty wild that it's taken 8 episodes to get to what I assumed was the premise of the show when it was first announced. Not expecting a whole lot from the final episode. It's been a real drag up to this point.
I have no idea how you could possibly come to that conclusion.
white vision is pretty darn cool lookin
great details
Fun detail I didn't notice much while watching the episode is that after knocking away the intense blue lighting to try and see true color a bit more, I can see that the reassembled vision still had some face color before activation. Before the little energy sparkles make it up to the head, it's still a little pinkish or purplish
but the color drains away as it powers up, and then it looks like the picture above
great details
Fun detail I didn't notice much while watching the episode is that after knocking away the intense blue lighting to try and see true color a bit more, I can see that the reassembled vision still had some face color before activation. Before the little energy sparkles make it up to the head, it's still a little pinkish or purplish
but the color drains away as it powers up, and then it looks like the picture above
It was implied in AOU that the twins were special since the stone only worked on them and no one else
That grief caused Wanda to create a fake sitcom life for herself and a fake vision ,and that some bad guy would be manipulating her to their own ends? Yeah, takes a real genius to see that coming.
Yeah there really needs to be two hours at this point. I already know that the next episode is going to be disappointing on some level for me. there is just too much to cover, or, too much will just be glossed over for some "big reveal" moments and the potential for answers in future projects.
No, you said it took 8 episodes to get to the "premise" of the show.
The premise of the show was clear in the first episode.
I mean, I guessed that this was all an illusion created by Wanda to deal with her grief before the show aired, too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
edit: Oh I see what you and they were both saying. I agree that the premise was pretty damn clear.
I'm trying to figure out how if Wanda made Vision from nothing how he could have his own consciousness and powers. And I'm still confused about about Quicksilver from Fox's universe showing up unless it really was just fanservice after all.
But White Vision being there makes me miss the fact that Hank Pym's Ant Man wasn't made as one of the focal points in the MCU.
But White Vision being there makes me miss the fact that Hank Pym's Ant Man wasn't made as one of the focal points in the MCU.
I said it took 8 episodes to get to what I assumed was the premise when it was first announced.
Yup. That was good. He faked the video feed of her and kept working on Vision's body.
Fuckin' weird then. She not only drags out the pronunciation but beats right before saying "possession." She does that with every other Latin spell in the scene so it's only logical she's also saying a Latin spell there. The fuck is a crystalline possession, anyway? Regular possession not pretty enough or something?
Anyway still thinking its a construct, the wording sounds bizarre for her just to be puppeting some schmoe and nothing so far suggests she's powerful enough to be plucking from the multiverse as opposed to Wanda. But we'll see I guess.
I'll 100% take that. There's no way in hell that will come up.
The fact that Wanda created this was heavily implied at multiple points throughout the series. It wasn't like it took eight episodes to get there. This episode simply told us the details of how she did it.
The details in the mcu is unrealHere's a Wizard and Witch, perform the same spell
That he's not actually that character?
Half this episode goes to show that Agatha is not some reality warping power, she's extremely petty and jealous of Wanda, and she claims responsibility for Pietro
Hex Vision has his heart and his personnality, but not his physical memories or.. well.. an actual physical body.
White Vision has his body and most likely his memories too, but not his heart or personnality.
Can't we just..
?
White Vision has his body and most likely his memories too, but not his heart or personnality.
Can't we just..
?
Obviously? Episode 4 ends with a character saying "It's all Wanda" in one of the worst reveals of all time, since everyone figured that out when the show was announced.
Gotta second this. Like not a huge deal but maybe wait a couple days at least?
Anyway great episode. I expected Strange to show up here, next episode is going to be huge.
I think mirage Vision is more or less real, at least in any way that we understand real. He was made from Wanda's memories. I think of him as a kind of clone with memories implanted. He's missing a lot of information but he's capable of arriving at the same kind of logical conclusions which makes him a lot like the real article. He's likely more Wanda though than Vision. But, I think the two were a lot alike to begin with and the real Vision also had a profound impact on Wanda, which is why it's hard to tell the difference. A part of Vision will always be in Wanda.
I've been thinking about this episode on and off all day. It's freaking fantastic. One of the highlights in the MCU for me.
Feitro is going to be Jimmy Woo's informant bank on it. He may have ties to Hydra or even be a superhero/villian, or he could just be an accountant to the cartels or something. But I bet he's just a cheeky nod to we have the Fox universe now too from Disney.
All she said was that he wasn't her Brother, more or less. She didn't clarify who exactly he is or how he came about. She literally showed she has the power to warp reality when she turned an insect into a bird. Nevermind that it's obvious she is messing around with the Nexus, that was literally name dropped.
And now he has speedster powers and becomes either Whizzer or Speed Demon. I think he could be on the good side in the finale if Vision reaches him quick enough. Or if Monica uses her powers to knock sense into him