Yea it was brought up with the Lagos paper towel commercialIt hasn't been brought up yet on the show but I hadn't even thought about how the people she accidentally killed at the start of Civil War would be weighing on her mind aswell.
Sure, she made "peace" with it at the end of the movie but you probably don't ever really forget or forgive yourself when something like that happens to you.
Ah. Good catch.Yea it was brought up with the Lagos paper towel commercial
"clean up your messes with Lagos towels"
More like a speed demon if you ask meI'm going to go ahead and speculate that the MCU is Earth 2804 which is Agatha's address (since the storm cellar is a nexus its literally this earth's address). I also think Evan Peters is here to stay, but is not specifically the Fox quicksilver (in that none of the specifics of the fox canon apply to him) but he is an actual quicksilver from another universe so similar to Fox that they are essentially the same.
edit: 2804 works for MCU starting in April 2008 like 616 is for June 1961 and fantastic 4 starting.
Energy perception and manipulation, ability to turn into a being of pure energyIs it a spoiler to ask what Monica's powers are? Not sure where to ask?
More like a speed demon if you ask me
Energy perception and manipulation, ability to turn into a being of pure energy
I mean scopes bigger than that, but we saw the first two clearly in the episode. How far they'll reach and how high compared to the comic version who knows
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Bad effects and sets aside, I thought the episode was fine.
Just that whatever he is he is being manipulated by Agatha.Ok. Based on the episode, do we have a clearer picture about quicksilver?
Secret Wars rearranged the multiverse anyway so there's no reason for the MCU to maintain the same multiversal designation.
If they follow the comics:Is it a spoiler to ask what Monica's powers are? Not sure where to ask?
For me, I think it's a combo of Monica fundamentally being a heroic person, and seeing Wanda as someone she can save, unlike her mother where she was powerless to do anything.Welp, that was mostly disappointing up until Monica confronting Wanda. Monica's contact turned out to be no one that I'm aware of. Vision and Darcy meet, but nothing really comes of it. And Monica's dedication to saving Wanda feels off. I understand that she feels some similarity in their situations, but she doesn't know Wanda at all. She feels more like an audience surrogate than she does her own character.
On the positive side, Monica trying to talk to Wanda was good, even though they do the whole "I need to tell you something!" but say nothing schtick, Agnes, er Agatha, is amazing as always, and her song is fun as hell.
If Evan Peters isn't Fox Quicksilver, I'm not watching Falcon & Winter Soldier!!
*pouts*
I agree with all of your points.Agreed, even on second watch.
I'm just not at all invested in the larger MCU SWORD plot. It's incredibly stale and generic. It's what we get in damn near all the movies. And they're really not doing anything to make it interesting. Even when the sitcom bits falter, I still give Marvel credit for using the episodic medium to tell a unique story.
I'm really trying hard to like Monica. I'm a HUGE fan of Teyonah Parris, and I get that not every superhero's origin is profound (or even a major event), but she still feels underwritten to me. Where's her development? Who is she outside of this single-minded drive to help Wanda? I know she's going to play a prominent role in the MCU going forward, so they've got time to flesh her out. But I'm not seeing what makes Monica compelling in WandaVision.
Also, Darcy ...whew, Darcy. Marvel really loves its fan insert characters, but Darcy is egregious. She really only exists as an exposition drone or to reference previous MCU movies. Kat Dennings is giving her every drop of charisma she's got, but what can you do when there's really no character there. All of her scenes feel like a huge drag on a show that's already strapped for time.
Still, that reveal saved the episode. It was a minute long concentrate of everything that has made WandaVision so entertaining to me. It was hilarious and campy, and it used the format of the story to poke fun at itself and the history of television sitcoms. It was also a lesson that, as long as you're telling a good story, and you're being consistent with your characters, your big reveal doesn't have to come out of nowhere to be good.
Yep, this is what I feel.Agreed, even on second watch.
I'm just not at all invested in the larger MCU SWORD plot. It's incredibly stale and generic. It's what we get in damn near all the movies. And they're really not doing anything to make it interesting. Even when the sitcom bits falter, I still give Marvel credit for using the episodic medium to tell a unique story.
I'm really trying hard to like Monica. I'm a HUGE fan of Teyonah Parris, and I get that not every superhero's origin is profound (or even a major event), but she still feels underwritten to me. Where's her development? Who is she outside of this single-minded drive to help Wanda? I know she's going to play a prominent role in the MCU going forward, so they've got time to flesh her out. But I'm not seeing what makes Monica compelling in WandaVision.
Also, Darcy ...whew, Darcy. Marvel really loves its fan insert characters, but Darcy is egregious. She really only exists as an exposition drone or to reference previous MCU movies. Kat Dennings is giving her every drop of charisma she's got, but what can you do when there's really no character there. All of her scenes feel like a huge drag on a show that's already strapped for time.
Still, that reveal saved the episode. It was a minute long concentrate of everything that has made WandaVision so entertaining to me. It was hilarious and campy, and it used the format of the story to poke fun at itself and the history of television sitcoms. It was also a lesson that, as long as you're telling a good story, and you're being consistent with your characters, your big reveal doesn't have to come out of nowhere to be good.
For me, I think it's a combo of Monica fundamentally being a heroic person, and seeing Wanda as someone she can save, unlike her mother where she was powerless to do anything.
Going through the field three times mutated Monica's cells and DNA. I wonder if the same thing will happen to the people in West View because of long term exposure. Could this be how they introduce mutants to the MCU?
I mean yeah he's either someone roped into this(speedster from the multiverse/someone manipulated and given powers by the hex; either could result in him sticking around as say Speed Demon), or he's Agatha son/husband and they're using magic to temporarily give him speed powers. Lots of ways it could go, will likely be revealed next weekI'm surprised people are more sour on this episode. The mockumetary vibe is done very well (Vision bailing the "set" had me rolling), the aerospace engineer seemingly being a red herring was a bit of a bummer but all the stuff with Monica is fantastic, the parts with Vision and Darcy bonding are pretty solid (I don't know why this episode would tire you on Darcy compared to others - she's mostly fine and Bettany's mostly carrying), and we're getting some time with Wanda for Olsen to really stretch her stuff. Overall just continuing to deliver.
And then the Agatha Harkness reveal...oh man, that was amazing. Talk about taking a fairly obvious twist and setting it up to hit a fucking grand slam with it. The song itself is just pure ear worm - my parents especially loved it since they both grew up with The Munsters as kids and caught the homage instantly. "And I killed Sparky too!" Just so great. XD
So Agatha's clearly being pitched as the main villain, which in hindsight makes sense though it's really funny how a lot of signs of her potentially being a victim were her fucking with the audience and misdirecting. I am still fully on the Mephisto train - there's just way too many hints and allusions that are only further piling up, the giant fly/cicada only adding to it (I didn't even get the comic reference, instead seeing it as an allusion to Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies). I am leaning towards him being more passively alluded to than actively involved, the Thanos to Agatha's Loki as someone noted earlier.
My first thought seeing the giant tome was indeed the Darkhold, plucking that memory from AoS (and I'm firmly in the "no longer canon" camp). Whether it's that, the Necronomicon, or something else, we shall see. Also the first thing I thought hearing "Nexus" was the Nexus of All Realities and thus Man-Thing, which again I'm really personally hoping it isn't given that being so tied to the Everglades. That said, people have brought up Nexus Beings, of which Wanda is explicitly one of, which I could see working more.
Finally, I fully think "Pietro" doesn't have anything to do with either version of Quicksilver and that it's fully a casting gag. What I'm thinking is he's either a fully magical construct created by Agatha just to keep things disrupted or, more daring, he's actually Nicholas Scratch doing his mom's bidding.
Well the fun part with this show is that I think everyone in this thread has felt that at one point or another lolI often feel like I'm watching a totally different show than everyone else when I participate in these types of "group watches."
Had no idea that's where they got the name. That's cool.Apparently Jack is actually named AFTER Agatha, according to Barrowman.
I feel like the second Young Avengers series mentioned it as one of the universes that the team traveled to.Secret Wars rearranged the multiverse anyway so there's no reason for the MCU to maintain the same multiversal designation.
Besides, the number was only mentioned in a guidebook, not in the actual pages of any comic. It's easily subject to change regardless.
The "reveal" of Monica's "guy" didn't have any reaction from me, because I wasn't expecting it to be a "reveal" in the first place. Not an important one, at least (and even so, they could still be Skrulls or some shit, because, why not?). I had no expectations, so it wasn't disappointing to me, personally.
Mephisto likelyWait a minute... if Agatha was filming Wanda... then who was filming Agatha!?
I'm not even sure I'm going to watch it if he is. It just feels so bland. Maybe it's got an X-factor we haven't seen yet, but I've got no clue what that would be.
Vison and Darcy, I thought, was great, primarily because we get to see how Vision processes and reacts to the gaps in his memory, his death, not knowing what he even is anymore now that he's been revived, and beginning to understand Wanda's mindset after the events of the previous episodes had shaken his trust in her. He now knows his wife isn't "a villain," but someone who is really struggling through grief, and, as a superpowered being, is capable of far more damage to more than just herself.
Right?
I feel like the opening joke that flashed to the barrier eating everyone was pretty AD, especially with the music punctuating it.I thought that too, but there was no narrator which would have been mandatory for an AD homage. I wish they would have tossed at least one Ron Howard line in. The episode was almost 100% Modern Family (an ABC production).
I was a little disappointed by the reveal of Monica's contact, but not because it wasn't a big Marvel character. I was expecting her to get a cool Man-Bot suit or something:
So the moon buggy was a bit of a letdown.
It does raise an interesting question, though - What is SWORD doing with heavily-armored moon buggies?
Well the fun part with this show is that I think everyone in this thread has felt that at one point or another lol
Like I thought Episodes 4 and this one were the worst ones, but for others they're the best ones? Then we get all the people who want the sitcom parts to all be cut out but I think they're the best parts, and vice versa. And that's not even counting people who are seeing X-men clues everywhere or really disliked what happened with Pietro.
It doesn't bother me though, it's fun really.
Not to discount your opinion of the episode (if people liked it, they liked it), but this was the biggest problem with the episode for me personally.
Up to this point, Vision has been the co-lead of the show. He's not just another player; his name is in the show title and his perspective is one through which we've seen the events of the story play out. And figuring out that something is wrong with the town, and something is wrong with him has been a huge part of his character arch. Like, these are not minor beats.
So Vision getting this information from Darcy, and largely off screen (!!!), felt really cheap to me. It felt like the writers looking for a reason to include the SHIELD characters, when Vision learning what's going on and the nature of Westview and his existence in it should have been a big moment in the show...and not an excuse to make Darcy relevant.
Its a large bug inside a house?So is there a specific reason why Wanda got weirded out by the cicada? I imagine she got weirded out by Señor Scratchy being in the cage because she expected the twins to be playing with him... but what was the weird part about the cicada?