I do think the episodes are too short, yeah. Every time one ends I'm like "damn, already?"
-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
WandaVision | Paul Bettany is in this | Fridays on Disney+
- Thread starter Deleted member 1248
- Start date
- OT
I do think the episodes are too short, yeah. Every time one ends I'm like "damn, already?"
Loki's dead in this timeline; the Loki in the upcoming show is literally from a different timeline.
As I've said multiple times you just include them in a movie. It doesn't need explanation any more than any other thing in the MCU needed explanation.
They exist. Why weren't they involved in conflict a or conflict b? Because they weren't.
It doesn't need a grand "this or that" caused it because mutants are the next natural stage of human evolution.
If you HAVE to get cute about it, there has been always been mutants but they have been on the rise, increasing since the Snap and Blip released radiation across the world.
But even that I find necessary.
Are we back to thinking Agnes isn't involved at all?
Im pissed that its the weekend cause it means Wandavision is a week away! :(
Everyone debating if this is how mutants are introduced, but I think it's setting up inhumans instead. Wanda's hex is the new Terrigan Mist, Kamala lives in New Jersey. And Marvel can officially canonize that Inhumans are like Mutants, but from New Jersey. /s
What is the Mephisto tease in FatWS? I know there's a stained glass of some devil-like entity in one of the Loki trailers.
Most likely, since SWORD is tracking his decaying Vibranium.
I think it's going to be one of those situations where the name "Agatha Harkness" won't actually be said in the show, we're just meant to accept that Agnes is innately the Agatha of the MCU as-is. The MCU adaptation of the character changed her name (and potentially her role, from mentor to antagonist?) but is otherwise, clearly the same.
Agreed, I mentally explained it away as "she was able to hack it easily because she had direct physical access to their server room, and simply read notes that SWORD doctors typed in Monica's files about her biology changing. But I know that's definitely not the case.
To add to this, he also clearly lied twice (first, like everyone already noted, he said he had no memory between getting shot and hearing Wanda call for him despite knowing about Vision's death. The second is similar - he asks "who's this popsicle" as if he didn't know who Vision was, but the aforementioned quote reveals this was also a lie)
What is the Mephisto tease in FatWS? I know there's a stained glass of some devil-like entity in one of the Loki trailers.
Most likely, since SWORD is tracking his decaying Vibranium.
I think it's going to be one of those situations where the name "Agatha Harkness" won't actually be said in the show, we're just meant to accept that Agnes is innately the Agatha of the MCU as-is. The MCU adaptation of the character changed her name (and potentially her role, from mentor to antagonist?) but is otherwise, clearly the same.
Agreed, I mentally explained it away as "she was able to hack it easily because she had direct physical access to their server room, and simply read notes that SWORD doctors typed in Monica's files about her biology changing. But I know that's definitely not the case.
To add to this, he also clearly lied twice (first, like everyone already noted, he said he had no memory between getting shot and hearing Wanda call for him despite knowing about Vision's death. The second is similar - he asks "who's this popsicle" as if he didn't know who Vision was, but the aforementioned quote reveals this was also a lie)
Still convinced that Agnes is an ally of some sort. She's been too helpful, but now she's lost when Pietro shows up. And I am convinced there's something sinister going on with him. The stuff he knows about the town, the stuff he doesn't about their childhood. I have no idea why he has a different face, and like I said 1,000,000 posts ago, the MCU isn't known for stunt casting the way the CW is-- so I assume there will be some reason given ultimately.
Also the fact that it always ends with 7 minutes credits makes it even more frustrating for me 😅
If Pietro really is an antagonist shapeshifted or something like that, why wouldn't they just shapeshift into the Quicksilver Wanda already knows and skip the suspicion side of things? Wouldn't it be easier to get information out of her that way? Sure, there's the explanation of "to taunt her" but that doesn't necessarily seem to be the goal of the antagonist (if there is one), considering Wanda is currently trying her best to make an idyllic life for herself, and was likely spurred to do so by Mephisto/Nightmare/Agnes or whoever the potential baddie is.
I think she is, but as a benevolent force. Maybe sent by Strange to investigate and got sucked in, or maybe she lived there but had latent witch abilities on her own that combined with Wanda's powers.
Haven't seen a fan base this fired up w speculation and theories week-to-week since Steven Universe pre-Pink Diamond reveal.
"Rose is ALIVE, she's the LION! No, she's Pink Diamond! No, she's secretly waiting for STEVEN to DIE so she can COME OUT! No NONE of you are right, it's classic Rebecca Sugar misdirection, Rose has Pink Diamond bubbled in the TREASURE CHEST. No, there IS no Pink Diamond, it's actually RED DIAMOND and the other diamonds said she died but actually have her locked away cuz she's EVIL and pinned the murder on ROSE"
Mephisto is Pink Diamond.
"Rose is ALIVE, she's the LION! No, she's Pink Diamond! No, she's secretly waiting for STEVEN to DIE so she can COME OUT! No NONE of you are right, it's classic Rebecca Sugar misdirection, Rose has Pink Diamond bubbled in the TREASURE CHEST. No, there IS no Pink Diamond, it's actually RED DIAMOND and the other diamonds said she died but actually have her locked away cuz she's EVIL and pinned the murder on ROSE"
Mephisto is Pink Diamond.
I'm feeling more and more like there is no Mephisto. Likely either they're fusing his comics role into Nightmare or Agnes (or both?). I only say this because it feels like Persona 4 Arena all over again. I mentioned it earlier (and copy-pasting below) but with every bit of proof, my gut reminds me of how the villain of P1/2 DEFINITELY came back for P4Arena.
Getting the impression that the blatantly obvious lines like "hell-spawn" are just going to be explained away by the writers as references to the comic Mephisto's role in Billy and Tommy's origin, but not any MCU Mephisto.
When the first P4 Arena released, it seemed crazy obvious that Nyarlathotep, the big bad from Persona 1/2 was back! It made sense.
...Then Ultimax released and it turned out to be some random evil Japanese god pulled out of nowhere who was never alluded to and no one ever could have predicted prior to the reveal in Ultimax. 🙄
- The tactics this mysterious entity used in Kanji's story mode lined up exactly with Nyarly's shenanigans in P2, and dialogue before/after the final battle in Naoto's and the P3 characters' story alluded to this too.
- The Malevolent entity needed to team up with a human to fuck with people, much like Nyarlathotep needed to in P1-2.
- At the end of P2 EP, Nyarlathotep promised he would return and seek vengeance on humanity.
- It was implied that members of P1 and 2 joined Mitsuru's anti-shadow force.
- The announcer of the battles is the same voice actor (in English at least) who did Nyarlathotep in P2 Innocent Sin PSP remake.
...Then Ultimax released and it turned out to be some random evil Japanese god pulled out of nowhere who was never alluded to and no one ever could have predicted prior to the reveal in Ultimax. 🙄
Getting the impression that the blatantly obvious lines like "hell-spawn" are just going to be explained away by the writers as references to the comic Mephisto's role in Billy and Tommy's origin, but not any MCU Mephisto.
I mean, if it's not Pietro he could have just seen it on TV, like everyone else. I don't see how knowing this is a sign towards real Pietro, rather than the opposite.
Or he just got up to speed (pun intended) meanwhile. Vision also has no memory before Westview and yet he knows a lot of things from Wanda.
He's dead. My guess is it's closer to possession or injected false memories.
I think you misunderstood. I wasn't saying it was a sign that it was the real Peitro, I was saying it was a sign that it's not.
Yep, this how I feel too. I'm leaving the possibility open that it's Mephisto but I'm not convinced it's as "obvious" as others in this thread think.
So I've been thinking for a while, and this episode has driven it home that I believe that this is going to be used as the backdoor way for how Kamala Khan gets her super powers. I thought it was suspicious that the events of this series was taking place in New Jersey but with this episode
Any answer to that would be speculation at this point. The memories/personality that he does have aren't those of either MCU or X-Men movies Quicksilver, at least not entirely.
nah those kids are terrified and traumatized. They'll have a hard time accepting reality as reality whenever this anomaly ends.
He did cross the barrier; like, physically crossed it. There were tendrils of the barrier clinging to him and perhaps extending his existence (or, for all we know, the opposite), but at least it's not an on/off switch; he doesn't just drop dead. Although technically we already knew that the changes within the hex persist outside it, it's not a bad thing to have more confirmation that his resurrection has at least some ontological inertia.
That's exactly my take. My hope / expectation is that when the show is done, the new status quo will include a live Vision as well as teenaged versions of the kids with their comic book power sets. Pietro is very much in the air; I'd love to have Evan Peters' Pietro moving forward but... we'll see.
With how Pietro is behaving, my guess is he is QS from another universe who was abducted by a malicious force because they needed someone with Pietro's powers to play the role. And they're not capable of raising the dead. It can still be a purposeful easter egg that he is Quicksilver from the Fox universe.
What is interesting is the way it sure seems "Pietro" really wants to know where Wanda got this power. Which implies our malicious/Mephisto force isn't responsible for actually powering her up. With those trailer scenes of Wanda confronting the Mind Stone, I wonder: could she have tried pulling the Mind Stone atoms back in order to fix Vision? She uncreated it. She must remember what it felt like to disassemble it.
Except she couldn't quite put it back together and instead, something happened with that power.
Also, Wanda's detached musing over the morality of what she is doing reinforces to me that she is influenced as well when she's inside the hex. She's being psionically drugged to slow her thinking and keep her in a dreamlike state of acceptance.
What is interesting is the way it sure seems "Pietro" really wants to know where Wanda got this power. Which implies our malicious/Mephisto force isn't responsible for actually powering her up. With those trailer scenes of Wanda confronting the Mind Stone, I wonder: could she have tried pulling the Mind Stone atoms back in order to fix Vision? She uncreated it. She must remember what it felt like to disassemble it.
Except she couldn't quite put it back together and instead, something happened with that power.
Also, Wanda's detached musing over the morality of what she is doing reinforces to me that she is influenced as well when she's inside the hex. She's being psionically drugged to slow her thinking and keep her in a dreamlike state of acceptance.
I think 2 episodes is way too few to pivot to "the devil made me do it" , that is a bridge that takes time to cross
He's not just from a different timeline; he's also in a different timeline, so yeah, in theory it can't be him.
Having just watched the masterpiece Ghost Rider 2 on the telly tonight, I do wonder how they'll explain Mephisto if it's him.
The Asgardians are aliens and magic so far has been explained as advanced science...but how do you explain away The Devil or at least the closest thing to him?
Are general audiences ready to take that leap?
The Asgardians are aliens and magic so far has been explained as advanced science...but how do you explain away The Devil or at least the closest thing to him?
Are general audiences ready to take that leap?
That would be one hell of a feat indeed, considering these atoms wouldn't be anywhere near Earth even if they still exist; they would be scattered around the backwater planet Thanos retreated to to destroy the gems.
In set photos there's a gang of sorts with Mephisto on their jackets.
I'm guessing they skipped Full House because it was too on the nose.
Plus Family Ties can account for early 90s too.
Next EP is likely the Modern Family one
Plus Family Ties can account for early 90s too.
Next EP is likely the Modern Family one
I hope Darcy doesn't become something tortured if the circus is still in play for the next episode, would likely be she's a waitress or crazier yet, the ringmaster of the circus.
I like that this series acknowledges that Quicksilver could've easily saved Hawkeye & that pedestrian at any time, but his death was only there to artificially raise the stakes of the story, along with subverting expectations for the sake of it. It was such a fucking stupid moment in that movie.
Could you imagine Quicksilver in Endgame, where he's constantly patroling the world five years after Thanos doing the dirty deed, along with the fact that once Wanda comes back into existence, he's five years older to his twin?
He crossed a line. He didn't break through the hex barrier though. He struggled against it like he was caught in a net. He was still enveloped by it after taking several steps past what otherwise appeared to be the boundary... until we saw its elastic nature when it wants to keep someone in.
I also don't get the mutants talk. Wouldn't they just be mutates like Spidey, Hulk, Cap, etc.? Or are we saying that Wanda's field is an explicit force "awakening" an X-gene for some in a sort of Inhuman way (or I guess MCU wanda/pietro way)?
I think mutants should come another way. Anyone getting powers from this, outside her magic kids, are mutates imo.
I think mutants should come another way. Anyone getting powers from this, outside her magic kids, are mutates imo.
Maybe she tried to pull the atoms together from across the universe and ended up pulling in all sorts of stuff from across the multiverse instead?
There was a slight nod to Full House in the intro of the prior episode with the Family Ties/Growing Pains mashup. When they all ran in unison to the camera , that was in Full House I believe
I think you're onto something, perhaps she tried to reassemble the mind stone or draw it's power which has been scattered around the earth since it exploded.
The point behind the commercial, is the kid dies because he can't break the magic seal.
Just like Vision. Ultimately, Wanda's magic isn't enough to sustain everyone.
Alternatively, the product is "Yo Magic," and the kid could be an analogue for Billy. The Hex really wanted Wanda to have kids, and now it really wants Billy to "open" his powers.
I thought it was about being hungry after their parents died in Sokovia, and being tempted by Hydra but ultimately not being helped by them at all.
We might have actually seen Vision's power before in Age of Ultron.
It was kinda disturbing to see the kid die via that wholesome animation
Okay after that episode I am 100% convinced that isn't the real Pietro.
"Last thing I remember is that I was shot in the street like a chump for no reason"
If he was given the memories of the MCU Quicksilver he would know it wasn't for no reason. He saved Hawkeye and a child. The way he described the situation reads to me how someone who is "above it all" would see the situation. Maybe not Mephisto specifically, but definitely not Quicksilver. Neither Pietro would describe saving a life like that.
"Last thing I remember is that I was shot in the street like a chump for no reason"
If he was given the memories of the MCU Quicksilver he would know it wasn't for no reason. He saved Hawkeye and a child. The way he described the situation reads to me how someone who is "above it all" would see the situation. Maybe not Mephisto specifically, but definitely not Quicksilver. Neither Pietro would describe saving a life like that.
I'm guessing it has something to do with "Snacked on Yo (your) Magic"
The counter to that is that with the right coordinates Loki can travel to the main timeline. Not that I think it's Loki, but that doesn't disprove him.
I see what you mean, but I disagree. Watching the scene again, it's clear to me the barrier stays solidly in place. What you see as a membrane being stretched by him, I see as energy tendrils clinging to him. This is made clearer by looking at the barrier itself; once he crosses it, it closes back behind him as if he had never went through it. If it was an elastic membrane as you say, you'd expect to see a hole or some elongation or deformation where Vision went through it, or where the strands surrounding Vision meet the wall; but nope, it's a solid wall behind him. In fact, it's so solid that the pieces of him flying back disappear as soon as they touch it.
Unless I'm missing something, he would need the time travel tech that hasn't been invented in his timeline yet, and perhaps never will.
Could be another more skilled quicksilver who's disgusted that he failed when it was within his capability to pull it off
I haaaaated the sitcom element of this episode. Aside from that, it was a great episode, especially the eerie bits. They nailed the atmosphere in those. Interesting Wanda's solution to the Vision problem at the end.