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Dice

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I dont care if i get a warning for this. Stop saying animated porn involving minors/children isnt kiddie porn you dumb fucks. That shit enables people. As someone who was raped as a child I dont want to hear people say "comparing the two is disrespectful to people who've been affected" Fuck you, kiddie porn is kiddie porn, drawn or not. If you look at it, you're a sick fuck who needs help. Dont defend animated porn/sexualization of children.

Edit: And dont avatar quote me without looking at my post history explaining why I use this avatar.

Fuck man, Im sorry you know this topic....awful, heart breaking stuff even just to hear about...

I would never ever kink shame, in fact I think the world would be a better place if we didn't.... but no, this is where the line NEEDS to be drawn, and in many cases it is. Nothing but terrible stories where people are damaged by such awful interactions/acts and how long-term its effect can last. it crushes me to hear people's stories. And I hate how much of this is still in a state where we just stick fingers in our ears and pretend it doesn't exist. Japanese media filling an awful niche of this and playing it up as "just cartoons" doesn't at all separate the horror of how heinous a thing it represents.

People are not media savvy, even when they say they are. And it's disappointing how often "it's fake!", "it's a game!", or "it's not real!" comes into play. People are too often too stupid to fully appreciate how much media affects us.
 
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How hard is it to make games with adult looking characters? If you are making a porn game then design the characters to look adult. There are tons of examples of adult characters out there. Especially if you are making a female heroine game cause those are the ones that usually have these young looking characters unlike boy dating games from what I have seen. Michiko from Michiko and Hatchin, the ladies from Black Lagoon, Space Dandy, Redline etc etc all have adult casts. Both female and male characters adult examples are found in those anime I listed.
 

Kthulhu

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So whats that game here?
There are "all ages" versions on Steam that can easiy be circumvented.

And like I write in the OP, how can Valve expect to check every VN, when they get an influx of devs/pubs trying to be slick getting the all-ages version but offering patches outside of Steam.

That's kind of their job though.

why is it so hard for these devs to not make games with this stuff?
i see so many of these games on steam and i dont get it.

I'm guessing there's an absolute fuck ton of money for it. Underage Japanese porn is (unfortunately) extremely popular if other sites are any indication.
 
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How hard is it to make games with adult looking characters? If you are making a porn game then design the characters to look adult. There are tons of examples of adult characters out there. Especially if you are making a female heroine game cause those are the ones that usually have these young looking characters unlike boy dating games from what I have seen. Michiko from Michiko and Hatchin, the ladies from Black Lagoon, Space Dandy, Redline etc etc all have adult casts. Both female and male characters adult examples are found in those anime I listed.

I mean there are enough VNs with adult characters, but I wonder if only those loli ones would sell well. Silver Case is great, 428 is.

That's kind of their job though.

You expect them to check if there is a 18+ version, then check if the CG only has adult characters, having to check if there is loli CG content outside of that? It is far easier for them to just reject them if they see a loli character.

I am also not saying Valve isnt treating other devs unfair. You can see that if its a RPG maker game, the adult content doesnt matter. Those seem to go all through.
But I am partly blaming the pubs/devs that they actually muddied the waters.

SolPress trying to get a game on Steam which is "incest simulator - have sex with your loli looking sisters". SekaiProject has a game on Stema even which is "have sex with your loli trains" etc.
Then devs tried to offer outside patches. Cutting 90% of the games, then offering that on their website, because they know Valve would not accept the original.
 

Htown

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This looks like an adult though; she looks like a character out of Yu Yu Hakusho or portions of Hunter x Hunter.
you understand that both of those series have kids in the starring roles, yes?

Yusuke's a bit older than Gon, but he still leaves for three years and his friends are still in high school when he comes back
 
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I mean there are enough VNs with adult characters, but I wonder if only those loli ones would sell well. Silver Case is great, 428 is.
Oh I know. I am a huge fan of VN games. The games you mentioned are awesome. Especially Silver Case and it's sequel.

It is just that a lot of these games (as in porn games) are usually filled with these young looking characters and once they are banned the devs complain with some weird excuses like art style or age. If it happens often then surely they would understand that maybe they should design more adult characters? Either that or they should stop complaining about the games being banned for "no reason".
 

Kthulhu

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You expect them to check if there is a 18+ version, then check if the CG only has adult characters, having to check if there is loli CG content outside of that? It is far easier for them to just reject them if they see a loli character

Yes? That's their job. Don't get me wrong the devs people are quoting are clearly trying to get around the rules but it's not an impossible task, just a tedious one. That's just the burden Valve has to bear for being a big platform.
 

RiOrius

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Yes? That's their job. Don't get me wrong the devs people are quoting are clearly trying to get around the rules but it's not an impossible task, just a tedious one. That's just the burden Valve has to bear for being a big platform.
Nobody is entitled to a spot on Steam, any more than they're entitled to a Twitter account. Steam's moderation policies are up to them. If they've decided to err hard on the side of barring games for suspected child porn rather than diligently track down the off-site content to see how salacious it gets, that's probably a wise business move. Valve can afford not to host a niche game much more readily than it can afford to inadvertently sell child porn.
 

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In my view, your point is like declare some view/group too much toxic and should be banned because a minority in that group is causing problems.
I agree in principle but you have to wonder how much manpower Valve wants to bother expending here playing whack-a-mole for what I assume is a pretty niche genre.

It'd be preferable if they could just blacklist some devs that keep skirting the line, but apparently they keep changing publishers?
 

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I agree in principle but you have to wonder how much manpower Valve wants to bother expending here playing whack-a-mole for what I assume is a pretty niche genre.

I'd be preferable if they could just blacklist some devs that keep skirting the line, but apparently they keep changing publishers?
True, but someone should start and I think Steam is the one with money to do so. Or even they could invest in machine learning to run the game and pre-filter.
 

BroodShadow

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Why should they not complain when the rules are crazy inconsistent? They are trying to sell a product and the rules for enforcement keep changing and are not retroactive to games already sold on the store so it becomes incredibly hard to tell what can or can't be sold on the store.

A few people in this thread find some things reprehensible and that is fine to feel that way but I have news for you steam right now is already hosting and selling many VNs that have content that you do not like in it and are now rejecting games that have the same kind of content,so can you really not see peoples frustration with the current system?
 

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It's so hard to trust visual novel recommendations from anyone online because of the prevalence of this shit.
 

Foot

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Why should they not complain when the rules are crazy inconsistent? They are trying to sell a product and the rules for enforcement keep changing and are not retroactive to games already sold on the store so it becomes incredibly hard to tell what can or can't be sold on the store.

A few people in this thread find some things reprehensible and that is fine to feel that way but I have news for you steam right now is already hosting and selling many VNs that have content that you do not like in it and are now rejecting games that have the same kind of content,so can you really not see peoples frustration with the current system?
Oh my god you're arguing they should let all the pedo stuff in because some managed to sneak by.
 

BroodShadow

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Oh my god you're arguing they should let all the pedo stuff in because some managed to sneak by.
What are you even arguing?That they should get rid of this fictional content that I don't like?
They already have it on the platform if they are going to say no more they need to go back and remove all of it and not allow say the 18+ patches to be sold on steam for many VNs,Yet they are clearly not doing that so it becomes fair to call them out on a double standard.
 

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Valve can and should not be allowing some types of content on their platform, but naturally if revising your work to meet publishing guidelines was previously an acceptable way to use the platform but it suddenly is not that would be very frustrating. It also seems like their guidelines and decisions can be fairly variable and it would be better to have a more solid way of moderating things.

But in the onslaught of that, of course you will have games with perfectly normal content suddenly being rejected, because no one actually can be sure if its fine or not.

And that's a major issue since there are a lot of visual novels that don't contain adult content but could be barred just for being a visual novel with an "anime" art style. What the best way to resolve this is, I have no idea.
 
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I mean I don't see why people wouldn't complain about inconsistent or unclear guidelines about material that seems like a good thing to criticize about when attempting to submit a product to a storefront.
 

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Maybe instead of trying to get loli VNs on Steam (and there are already enough because when Valve opened the 18+ gates, they didnt do a check unlike now), should have released normal VNs with adult characters. "You" muddied the waters yourself!

lol

Sorry this is funny in the wake of the JRPG most successful ever on Steam being basically a mix of RPG and VN where you date and romance minors.

Probably 95% of VN does not have a full cast of adult characters. Honestly, I feel there's leaking through the store way more eggregious shit than the ones you mentioned.
 

elyetis

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Given valve position of strength the very least they thrive to have a clear guideline on what can or cannot be published, and a proper line of communication when they refuse a game since they clearly don't always refuse one for a good reason.
I'm sure most VN publisher would rather have a bigger waiting time to get their game published on Steam than play the luck of the draw regarding who is the employee of the day working on checking games submission.
 

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lol

Sorry this is funny in the wake of the JRPG most successful ever on Steam being basically a mix of RPG and VN where you date and romance minors.

Probably 95% of VN does not have a full cast of adult characters. Honestly, I feel there's leaking through the store way more eggregious shit than the ones you mentioned.
Its okay when Atlus does it

Seriously though, valve should have clearer guidelines
 

Atolm

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It's only natural they don't want this kind of stuff there. It's really, really hard to believe there's something culturally significant or relevant in those pedo games. They're not Nabokov's Lolita, it's just porn.

Now, if only they did the same with those Nazi groups...
 

Chromie

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Friendly reminder that this game:

Also got originally rejected by Steam (without giving any reason why)

Only got allowed on the store when it was released on GOG (of all places) and the publisher made a PR stink in the press about the unfairness.
0% adult content.


If you want me to care, at least explain what the game is about.
 

Htown

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What are you even arguing?That they should get rid of this fictional content that I don't like?
They already have it on the platform if they are going to say no more they need to go back and remove all of it and not allow say the 18+ patches to be sold on steam for many VNs,Yet they are clearly not doing that so it becomes fair to call them out on a double standard.
Hey how come you keep using super general language like "some things" and "fictional content I don't like" when people are very specifically talking about games that sexualize child or childlike characters?
 

BroodShadow

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Hey how come you keep using super general language like "some things" and "fictional content I don't like" when people are very specifically talking about games that sexualize child or childlike characters?
Yeah, it's highly suspicious.
I mean looking at the start of the thread people were already ready to demonize people they did not agree with,the fact of the matter is that many countries loli is not illegal and they just happen to be not ok with that content.Just be to very clear steam has the right to not carry that content but on the other hand nothing is wrong with carrying it as long as it's restricted properly for places where it is not ok and that is the topic steam seems to pick games at complete random.
When you carry a "big" game like nekopara that they added it's 18+patch later it seems very strange to ban a lot of other similar games.

Having discussion based around how moral it is, is fine it's a strange topic to be sure but acting like people are pedos or evil over fictional content you don't like seems very extreme.On a personal note I'm very open to any content being allowed in fiction even if I don't like said content.
 

squall23

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Sometimes, I wish Valve continued their hard no adult games policy.

Actually, I still wonder when and why they opened the floodgates.
 

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I mean looking at the start of the thread people were already ready to demonize people they did not agree with,the fact of the matter is that many countries loli is not illegal and they just happen to be not ok with that content.Just be to very clear steam has the right to not carry that content but on the other hand nothing is wrong with carrying it as long as it's restricted properly for places where it is not ok and that is the topic steam seems to pick games at complete random.
When you carry a "big" game like nekopara that they added it's 18+patch later it seems very strange to ban a lot of other similar games.

Having discussion based around how moral it is, is fine it's a strange topic to be sure but acting like people are pedos or evil over fictional content you don't like seems very extreme.On a personal note I'm very open to any content being allowed in fiction even if I don't like said content.
Anyone into lolicons should be demonized, yes there is nothing wrong with this. Dont protect this kind of behavior. Nobody should be thinking of children like that ever,
If I read your statement wrong I apologize but i'm under the impression that you're saying that because some places havent decided to call this shit as the shit it is makes it okay.... well its not.
Having a preference for children, animated or not, is a behavior that shouldnt be enforced,helped, anything of that nature. It should be helped against medically.
IT IS WRONG.
 

jonjonaug

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lol

Sorry this is funny in the wake of the JRPG most successful ever on Steam being basically a mix of RPG and VN where you date and romance minors.

Probably 95% of VN does not have a full cast of adult characters. Honestly, I feel there's leaking through the store way more eggregious shit than the ones you mentioned.
Date, romance, and have implied sex with minors.
 

Kthulhu

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Sorry this is funny in the wake of the JRPG most successful ever on Steam being basically a mix of RPG and VN where you date and romance minors.

You're also a minor in Persona 4 and most importantly there is no nudity or sex. Vs a lot of these games where your character is an adult and there is nudity and sex.
 

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Everyone I've talked to who actually works in the industry has given me the impression that Valve's review process seems to the be the following.

1. Does your game (regardless of actual content) have school uniforms in it?
2. Are you a small indie company without any real clout in the game industry?

If the answer to both is yes, then congrats your game is rejected.
 

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You're also a minor in Persona 4 and most importantly there is no nudity or sex. Vs a lot of these games where your character is an adult and there is nudity and sex.

The player (probably an adult) is roleplaying as a minor, because you aren't just watching/reading a character, you are playing that character and make conscious choices on who to date, what to answer and what can you accomplish in the game. (And in Persona 5 you can date adults, so the excuse stops working in any case)

You might be able to detach from that fact as many others, but we both know perfectly what the game is trying to accomplish, which is not much different than other usual VN but without the explicit sex scenes.

If the nudity or sex is the problem, those games aren't sold with explicity nudity or sex. You can say that those games have patches to put them back, but tomorrow someone could make a porn mod for Persona 4...

Then at that point if the truly bad thing that separates Persona and those other VN is that these VN are coming from porn games...why allow porn games in the first place?

And that's the ultimate issue here: Why open the floodgates to just ban games for reasons that you could ban other actual games? Maybe just properly handpick those VN that can be truly salvaged when stripped of their adult content instead of randomly banning games and then letting rapey stuff get inside?
 

Kthulhu

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The player (probably an adult) is roleplaying as a minor, because you aren't just watching/reading a character, you are playing that character and make conscious choices on who to date, what to answer and what can you accomplish in the game. (And in Persona 5 you can date adults, so the excuse stops working in any case)

You might be able to detach from that fact as many others, but we both know perfectly what the game is trying to accomplish, which is not much different than other usual VN but without the explicit sex scenes.

If the nudity or sex is the problem, those games aren't sold with explicity nudity or sex. You can say that those games have patches to put them back, but tomorrow someone could make a porn mod for Persona 4...

Then at that point if the truly bad thing that separates Persona and those other VN is that these VN are coming from porn games...why allow porn games in the first place?

And that's the ultimate issue here: Why open the floodgates to just ban games for reasons that you could ban other actual games? Maybe just properly handpick those VN that can be truly salvaged when stripped of their adult content instead of randomly banning games and then letting rapey stuff get inside?

Persona 4 Golden has a 15+ rating in Japan and P4 original had a 12 and up rating. I'm fairly certain that the games developers had teenagers in mind when making it and it just happens to be primary enjoyed by adults outside of Japan. The game is very much not trying to say "dating minors as an adult is okay".

There is a huge difference between a fan made porn mod and an official patch that re-enables otherwise inaccessible content.

Valve allows porn games because they make a ton of money and there are plenty that don't have characters that look like they can barely write their name.

Also if you somehow think "roleplay as a teenager that can date other teens and kill god" and "roleplay as a child molester" are in the same league then I don't really know what to tell you.
 

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Persona 4 Golden has a 15+ rating in Japan and P4 original had a 12 and up rating. I'm fairly certain that the games developers had teenagers in mind when making it and it just happens to be primary enjoyed by adults outside of Japan. The game is very much not trying to say "dating minors as an adult is okay".

You can't be that naive, right? You really think the majority of player of Persona, outside of Japan are teenagers?

(Also what about the adults in Persona 5 after the MC's dick?)

And Valve is not only banning VN with Adults MC, most of them is for featuring young girls.

And making a ton of money is not an excuse to play high ground moral over sexualizing kids, which is totally fine to do (let's see what they do about Persona 5), but then selling games that glorifies rape but is OK because the women in them are adults.

The whole system is fucked.
 

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You can't be that naive, right? You really think the majority of player of Persona, outside of Japan are teenagers?

(Also what about the adults in Persona 5 after the MC's dick?)

And Valve is not only banning VN with Adults MC, most of them is for featuring young girls.

And making a ton of money is not an excuse to play high ground moral over sexualizing kids, which is totally fine to do (let's see what they do about Persona 5), but then selling games that glorifies rape but is OK because the women in them are adults.

The whole system is fucked.
I mean, people that age date. Should they just not make relationship-based content for teenagers because some adults may play it to get their pedo jollies off, or mod it to be more explicit?
 

Kthulhu

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You can't be that naive, right? You really think the majority of player of Persona, outside of Japan are teenagers?

(Also what about the adults in Persona 5 after the MC's dick?)

And Valve is not only banning VN with Adults MC, most of them is for featuring young girls.

And making a ton of money is not an excuse to play high ground moral over sexualizing kids, which is totally fine to do (let's see what they do about Persona 5), but then selling games that glorifies rape but is OK because the women in them are adults.

The whole system is fucked.

No I said the intended audience in Japan are teenagers. Read my post next time.

Also we're talking about P4 not P5.

The depiction of rape in media again isn't really comparable to child predator simulator 2020
 
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I would say there is a difference between a JRPG which is mostly a RPG with a dating mechanics added on top and games whose literal purpose is just to see characters having sex with kids.

Persona has "You spent a long while together" without any explicit content, other than implying the teenagers had sex. No moaning sounds, no CGs.
The games I mean literally have CGs, voice acting, animations in some cases, penetration shown, fellatio etc.

How is that even comparable?

There is a valid discussion to be had with Valves stance, why some are allowed, some arent. Like I posted earlier. If it is a RPG maker "hentai" game, Valve doesnt bother to check.
But dont be

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if the game which has literal lolis, a 18+ version where you most likely will offer a patch outside of Steam gets rejected.
 
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The depiction of rape in media again isn't really comparable to child predator simulator 2020

In the +18 sexual catalogue available on Steam? You'd be surprised. And even if it wasn't that widespread I don't see why Valve should allow that kind of content in their platform in the first place.

I would say there is a difference between a JRPG which is mostly a RPG with a dating mechanics added on top and games whose literal purpose is just to see characters having sex with kids.

Persona has "You spent a long while together" without any explicit content, other than implying the teenagers had sex. No moaning sounds, no CGs.
The games I mean literally have CGs, voice acting, animations in some cases, penetration shown, fellatio etc.

How is that even comparable?

There is a valid discussion to be had with Valves stance, why some are allowed, some arent. Like I posted earlier. If it is a RPG maker "hentai" game, Valve doesnt bother to check.
But dont be

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if the game which has literal lolis, a 18+ version where you most likely will offer a patch outside of Steam gets rejected.

A lot of these games are basically dating Sims like Persona when you take out the sex scenes with moaning and CG and that's how they are being sold on Steam, for example games like Fate/Stay. If the problem is the patches with the sexual content they should ban all +18 games. Period. Because there are some serious cracks and holes.

If I was one of these VN developers I would be mad too if my dating sim with +18 patch got rejected and the other shit that constantly goes through dosn't...like *checks lastest releases* H-Sniper: World War II (NFSW) or any of the RPG maker shit I would be understably mad.

I have no simpathy for the fuckers that wants to release another fucking Nekopara game, but the current system is broken. They should ban all +18 games if that's how they are curating them.
 
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I want to say that I do think some publishers are trying to have it both ways here with what they're trying to get onto the store. And I am opposed to "loli" and such in general, and absolutely don't think games with that content should be sold on Steam.

But I also want to point out that there is a long history of VNs with adult content getting "all ages" releases that are very well received. Though here they may tend to come across as dodging policies due to off-site patches, in Japan these all ages releases are released for their own sake. They often are the basis for console ports, for example. For the most part, there should be no issue with releasing these on Steam. And obviously there are many "all ages" games that had no adult content to begin with.

And let's be clear: these are the kind of games that suffer most from this lack of a policy, not the actually gross ones. If you know you have something bad that'll get you banned from selling it, you can just rip out most of your game's content and add it in with a patch. If you have something legitimately fine but can't tell what might get questioned, you have to roll the dice on potentially wasting a ton of time editing it only for them to decide it still isn't good enough, or alternatively decide that it was always fine and you didn't need to make that effort. And VNs often take a very long time to translate, so to have to find out whether you can actually sell the game or not at the last minute is a problem as well.

Basically, having clearer policies probably won't benefit anyone selling gross stuff much, cause they can dodge it anyway. It'd just make it so normal games can be sold without having to worry about getting the approved who arbitrarily hates anime, and so on.

(I also think even some of the skeevy games are being mischaracterized here, fwiw - I may be wrong but I don't think anyone's trying to sell outright nukige on Steam, so even the bad shit is probably largely plot-focused with an occasional adult scene? This is absolutely not to defend them, but to say that you should be more aware of what's in them so that you know what to criticize.)
 
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(I also think even some of the skeevy games are being mischaracterized here, fwiw - I may be wrong but I don't think anyone's trying to sell outright nukige on Steam, so even the bad shit is probably largely plot-focused with an occasional adult scene? This is absolutely not to defend them, but to say that you should be more aware of what's in them so that you know what to criticize.

There's Nukige on Steam, which is why I say the current system is broken.
 

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If I had to check those games for potential child porn, I would nuke anything from orbit remotely looking like it does, as well
Still better than having that child porn shit on your platform, since Valve cant guarantee that they wont find a way to provide a patch anyways, requiring to do those controls again and again just for the chance of them having provided a patch in the meantime.
 

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Just going to point out that my dude here is gay and has no interest in loli garbage. He did an awful job of expressing that he simply doesn't like it when VNs get blocked from steam because he enjoys the genre.
What does them being gay have to do with their hand waving of loli shit getting banned from steam?
 
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More than shut up some of them should really be arrested at this point.
Yeah, I find loli shit distasteful in general, but I had a couple of recent encounters with some of this stuff that makes me wonder how is that not a criminal offense (and no, I don't think "they aren't real people, it's only drawings" works as an excuse for everything.

For instance I had the displeasure to follow a bad advice and watch the notorious Shoujo Ramune.
I swear it's the most uncomfortable I've ever felt after watching porn of any sort.
It's quite literally the story of a middle age man luring, grooming and sexually abusing girls that look too young even to pass as "loli".

Imagine my surprise learning that most of the internet seems divided in people who think it's a top quality hentai and people who think it's a funny meme, when it feels a full blown endorsement to child molestation.
 
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lol

Sorry this is funny in the wake of the JRPG most successful ever on Steam being basically a mix of RPG and VN where you date and romance minors.
How can people write this disingenuous shit?
Persona is a game about high school teens dating each other (among other things).
It's not about having explicit sexual intercourse with girls too young to even approach puberty.
 
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Yeah, I find loli shit distasteful in general, but I had a couple of recent encounters with some of this stuff that makes me wonder how is that not a criminal offense (and no, I don't think "they aren't real people, it's only drawings" works as an excuse for everything.

For instance I had the displeasure to follow a bad advice and watch the notorious Shoujo Ramune.
I swear it's the most uncomfortable I've ever felt after watching porn of any sort.
It's quite literally the story of a middle age man luring, grooming and sexually abusing girls that look too young even to pass as "loli".

Imagine my surprise learning that most of the internet seems divided in people who think it's a top quality hentai and people who think it's a funny meme, when it feels a full blown endorsement to child molestation.

Valid as your point about the disturbing internet perception of certain content is, surely discussion of actual hentai should be kept off Era, no?