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VN publishers/devs should shut up about Valves rejection of their games!

Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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In the last couple of months you saw lots of visual novel devs/publishers crying that Valve rejected their visual novels for "no apparent reason".
SolPress blamed Steam for them losing money since they cant release their games on Steam, since they are rejected.

If anyone doesnt know, Solpress focuses on VNs featuring kids/teens.

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Nekoworks is actually fearing "catgirls 4" is being banned too.
People who dont know what that game is: "1 year old loli cats live with the owners. 18+ patches"

The latest game that seems to have been rejected has been one with this character:

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"I wonder why? Why is Valve so unfair???"

In the last year those VN devs/publishers then tried to release the all ages version on Steam, the patch outside or on their website. But of course those patches are then also linked in the Steam community, sometimes even by the devs themselves.

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A lot of the rejections I saw, it was clear why they were rejected. Often having a loli character, original version 18+ etc. and devs/publishers are "I dont know why it was rejected."
But in the onslaught of that, of course you will have games with perfectly normal content suddenly being rejected, because no one actually can be sure if its fine or not.

Maybe instead of trying to get loli VNs on Steam (and there are already enough because when Valve opened the 18+ gates, they didnt do a check unlike now), should have released normal VNs with adult characters. "You" muddied the waters yourself!
 
Glio

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Those games that are based on having lolis have followers that obviously are going to be more on their side than on Steam.

Creepy, creepy followers.
 

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eonden

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I wouldnt say they should shut up completely. There is a thing to be said that Valve should put some clear guidelines and try to have a more consensus driven approval (to avoid really depending on who gets through and who doesnt, as sometimes some weird stuff passes while other more normal doesnt). (Edit: to be clear, content like the one Chair posted shouldnt be let inside any fucking mainstream place).

However, you are right on that a big part of the problem comes from the publishers trying to squirt the lines. First by removing the content only during approval and putting it back afterwards, then by just promoting a free patch on the store page but requiring download outside of Steam, and that keeps on continuing. They did so much that it starts affecting some more legit VNs who might not be R18 but their location might be problematic (such as "highschool" VNs like the Esperanto VN).
 
Pewshi

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I'm sorry but anyone who plays these types of games is a total creeper in my book.

Ugh.
 
Knurek

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Friendly reminder that this game:

Also got originally rejected by Steam (without giving any reason why)

Only got allowed on the store when it was released on GOG (of all places) and the publisher made a PR stink in the press about the unfairness.
0% adult content.
 
Thrill_house

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Agreed. Take your paedo bullshit down the road. If you have some underage looking love interests in your game you need to check yourself. Hell I even give persona side eye anymore as much as I love that series. Some of these VN's crank that gross shit to 11. I'm just fine with that nonsense not being on steam.
 
Dolce

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Frecklestein said:
Dying on the hill of child porn. What in the fuck.
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Please don't diminish the trauma and impact children go through in the creation of real child porn by comparing adult oriented fiction to such vile creations.

That aside, Valve are within their rights on a private platform from keeping what they want off of the store.
 
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Chairmanchuck (另一个我)

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Knurek said:
Friendly reminder that this game:

Also got originally rejected by Steam (without giving any reason why)

Only got allowed on the store when it was released on GOG (of all places) and the publisher made a PR stink in the press about the unfairness.
0% adult content.
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The thing is, like I wrote in my OP is, that the other devs muddy the waters. Also MG isnt that slick.
 
eonden

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Gravijah said:
Please don't diminish the trauma and impact children go through in the creation of real child porn by comparing adult oriented fiction to such vile creations.

That aside, Valve are within their rights on a private platform from keeping what they want off of the store.
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Adult oriented fiction that depicts children doing the same disgusting stuff. Yes, there is no "pain" for children, but it is still something that ... well, represents some of the worst things in humankind
 
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TrishaCat said:


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So whats that game here?
There are "all ages" versions on Steam that can easiy be circumvented.

And like I write in the OP, how can Valve expect to check every VN, when they get an influx of devs/pubs trying to be slick getting the all-ages version but offering patches outside of Steam.
 
Ferrio

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Valid reasons for rejection, but kinda odd when stuff like that does exist on the store and wasn't rejected. I understand why some people would be upset at the uneven treatment.
 

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Gravijah said:
Please don't diminish the trauma and impact children go through in the creation of real child porn by comparing adult oriented fiction to such vile creations.

That aside, Valve are within their rights on a private platform from keeping what they want off of the store.
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Not my intent at all, my apologies. I'll edit my post.
 
Rosebud

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I play a bunch of VNs at Steam... I wonder what the problem with these is.

(I know the answer)
 
Dolce

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eonden said:
Adult oriented fiction that depicts children doing the same disgusting stuff. Yes, there is no "pain" for children, but it is still something that ... well, represents some of the worst things in humankind
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I definitely understand that view. Child porn to me is just one of those terms for me that should never be "watered down." The impact it has on lives.
 
VariantX

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Yeah, wouldn't want my store and by extension, brand, to even be associated with that kind of stuff. Nothing stopping them from selling it elsewhere...unfortunately.
 
FooF

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doesn't a lot of VN crap get on steam and then the developer offers and 18+ patch on their site? No wonder Valve doesn't want it on their store.
 
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I've got a few friends who either make or distribute VNs (that don't contain the sort of content in question here). Valve has some very weird guidelines that no one knows about when it comes to this kind of content and affects people who are publishing VNs that contain no sexual content at all or content that depicts people who are clearly over the age of 18. They really gotta come forth and have a hard set of guidelines about what can and cannot be in the game.

Unfortunately with the 18+ patches for "gross loli shit" that are severed outside of the Steam platform would likely go unaffected though as they'd be classified as a mod of some sort.
 
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nivorae said:
Chairmanchuck should shut up, period.
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Nah I'm okay with VN's but if it's loli it's gotta gtfo steam. It's no place to push this disgusting fetish on other people especially when these all ages games literally show up on without turning off the nsfw filter even tho they have that content as a patch on their discussion pages.

Not okay at all, if people want this go on itch.io or some VN store to submit it.

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Literally trying to bypass the store submission process by using another publisher to post a banned game. Do these people not understand they aren't going to be approved?
 
nsilvias

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why is it so hard for these devs to not make games with this stuff?
i see so many of these games on steam and i dont get it.
 
TrishaCat

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Chairmanchuck said:
And like I write in the OP, how can Valve expect to check every VN, when they get an influx of devs/pubs trying to be slick getting the all-ages version but offering patches outside of Steam.
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its their job to check every VN
If they're making incorrect judgements, they're hurting developers and publishers alike, affecting people's livelihoods.
Valve doesn't have an existing set of specific guidelines on what they allow and don't allow, and examples of games on the Steam store contradict some rejections.
 
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Chairmanchuck said:
But in the onslaught of that, of course you will have games with perfectly normal content suddenly being rejected, because no one actually can be sure if its fine or not.

Maybe instead of trying to get loli VNs on Steam (and there are already enough because when Valve opened the 18+ gates, they didnt do a check unlike now), should have released normal VNs with adult characters. "You" muddied the waters yourself!
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Lol @ pretending to care about "normal" VNs getting rejected. Spare me.
 
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If I think what I think it is, then it still has a nude scene with a character looking like this:

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TrishaCat said:
its their job to check every VN
If they're making incorrect judgements, they're hurting developers and publishers alike, affecting people's livelihoods.
Valve doesn't have an existing set of specific guidelines on what they allow and don't allow, and examples of games on the Steam store contradict some rejections.
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I am aware of that, but SolPress, SekaiProject etc. do not have any say, when they literally try to get loli VNs on Steam, then blame Valve for rejecting them.

Lol @ pretending to care about "normal" VNs getting rejected. Spare me.
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What does that even mean?
 
SteveWinwood

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re those tweets

at first im like hmm you should be able to resubmit your apps

then apparently people just strip out 90% of the game, offer a patch elsewhere, and get around the whole thing anyway

i dont even know what one would do about any of this
 
Elfgore

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Fooftin said:
doesn't a lot of VN crap get on steam and then the developer offers and 18+ patch on their site? No wonder Valve doesn't want it on their store.
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I don't know how much it is anymore since porn games are now allowed on Steam, but it was super common when they weren't. I know of at least three or four games with 18+ patches.
 
Rats

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This seems like a very reasonable line for Valve to draw. There are plenty of other places to distribute this stuff, if you absolutely must. Take your business elsewhere because Valve clearly doesn't want or need it.
 
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I dont care if i get a warning for this. Stop saying animated porn involving minors/children isnt kiddie porn you dumb fucks. That shit enables people. As someone who was raped as a child I dont want to hear people say "comparing the two is disrespectful to people who've been affected" Fuck you, kiddie porn is kiddie porn, drawn or not. If you look at it, you're a sick fuck who needs help. Dont defend animated porn/sexualization of children.

Edit: And dont avatar quote me without looking at my post history explaining why I use this avatar.
 
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nsilvias said:
why is it so hard for these devs to not make games with this stuff?
i see so many of these games on steam and i dont get it.
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To answer your question, I recommend reading up on academic writing on the history of otaku subculture.

(That's not to excuse 18+ content involving minors in any way whatsoever, simply to answer that there are sociopolitical factors that have led to this state of affairs within the industry)
 
collige

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From the outside, it really seems like Valve didn't know what they were getting into when they officially started allowing more adult content. Having clear guidelines would help everyone.
 
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