'A few things' in this case is racism and homophobic slurs. If that kind of stuff doesn't bother you, then you sound like you would fit in just fine at the old place.
What? Racism when?
Do people just start adding labels to this guy once one has already?.
Wow, it's almost like there's one thing he could do that would suggest that he's turned a new leaf and genuinely thought about the harm his last statements had caused. Instead let's just ignore it and pretend everything fine. It's almost like I specifically pointed out accepting this bullshit is the real issue.
I'm done in this thread. If he apologised I wouldn't be here or if ya'll didn't get so upset about prejudice being called out I wouldn't be here.
I can't discuss this when people see a sincere apology is some totally unimaginable standard.
Your last line betrays that I guarantee, you would find any apology he made not good enough. Which is likely why he hasn't. If they only people who would appreciate an apology are also the ones who would scrutinize any apology he made to no end and likely not find it acceptable (because you know SOMEONE would not), like yeah, I can see him not bothering.
Me? I'd probably apologize. I know back when I was younger, there are a lot of things I said, such as the F word, that, being a midwesterner like Dunkey, were extremely normal, childish insults that pretty much not a soul understood the actual meanings of. I did learn the meaning in the last couple years (see if I admit that it was in the last couple years I get bizarre insults attacking me for not being woke quick enough. Every time), so I stopped, because I'm not a bad person. I don't know who the hell I would apologize too, because I don't know of any gay people who I would have said that too. If I did, I'd probably apologize to them, although by this point, given there's no person I could apologize too, I figure the best way to handle it is just not...stop. Have an effectual change.
I don't know Dunkey's thought process on this. I am disappointed that he hasn't addressed it at all. But I don't think that he is a raging racist or homophobe either. I think things are more complicated than that, sorry. And I don't think it's right to call everyone else complicit in supporting a racist and homophobe because they enjoy the content of a guy who one time said the F word on stream. I'm sorry, but to a great number of normal, kind, compassionate but reasonable people, I think a lot of us feel that that is just ridiculously extreme. That doesn't mean I'm justifying it. That's the whole fucking point. But we can have levels of gray between, raging homophobe (like someone like Pogo, who genuinely wishes death on all gay people and whom I cannot listen to any more for that reason), and not being homophobic at all. I just can't agree Dunkey is closer to the former. He does not demonstrate that view in anything he says, which, having known MANY homophobic people in the midwest here, it ALWAYS bleeds through. They find a way, even if they're not like aggressively homophobic. If they find it uncomfortable, it becomes a part of their regular humor, and they often test the waters to get a reaction. Dunkey does not do any of these things, which to me indicates that he is not homophobic; he just said an insensitive thing once. I can find this bad and disappointing without also wanting to completely cancel and deplatform him. And that is how a great deal of the people in this thread feel as well.
But hey, go ahead and just don't read anything I said and dismiss the nuance and human treatment I'm trying to convey as a complicated excuse to enjoy a youtuber's content, even though I already listed an example of just one of the people I stopped supporting due to their views. I'm sure there's some reason that doesn't count or whatever. I'm a pariah now. < See that sarcasm? That's what the first post about this in this thread was as far as I can tell, commenting on the fact that Era has this conversation in every Dunkey thread, condemning not only him but attacking anyone who doesn't aggressively condemn him as well.
Yes because doubling down is the same as giving a fucking apology I guess
This is another part of it. You guys just fucking lie. Dunkey never doubled-down on the F word. Ever. But you guys are fine with slinging a bunch of bullshit because ultimately it drags his name through the mud and he's a bad person so it doesn't matter if you aren't telling the truth. You'll find some way of saying your objectively wrong statements are tangentially related to the truth, even though you're misleading those who come into these threads and don't know the situation. You want to paint Dunkey as bad and evil as possible (I still laugh at the one guy who vaguely said Dunkey has "dangerous ideas" lol, which that person ought to have known would definitely not paint an accurate picture; makes him sound like a right ring recruiter), and so you're fine with bending the truth and generalizing in ways that make it sound worse than he is. Probably some of you because you're worried presenting the truth at the outset won't be severe enough to convince someone to vilify him.
It is perfectly fine to not support Dunkey. I absolutely understand. But sorry if I find twisting the truth and inaccuracies about someone's sins highly problematic. That shit quickly runs out of control, and that's not okay.
It just contributes to the toxic conversation that always arises in these threads, because rightly it causes people not to take you seriously.
I know quite a few people who used the F word without thinking about how it might hurt others until they were made aware of it. They were absolutely idiots. Ignorant, but not hateful. Most of the stopped after I had some discussions about it. They didn't even know what the Stonewall Riots were. So someone using that word doesn't automatically make them a homophobe to me. It always depends on what circles they have frequented in the past, if they know about the implications or not and how they act after having been educated on the matter.
It's not like teaching about LGBTQ issues has been as prevalent in schools as, say, slavery and the use of the N word and what that entails. That only changed in the last couple years.
You can now say I'm just bending over backwards to defend him, and you probably will, but that's just my general experience with people around me.
See and in my case, many younger people didn't really know what the N word meant either. Probably more than the F word. They heard it on xbox live. It's really sad, but even racism isn't always taught well in the midwest either, especially because even though it'll be gone over in history class that slavery is bad and all that, anti-racism is never, ever a thing teachers or staff will engage in. That doesn't ever make it right, and I think quite a few kids, especially the more they interact with the internet at a younger age, around here know what it means. But not all, or even if they do, they're often not thinking about it. This isn't a justification, it's just how the psychology of it works. Most I know, as they've grown older, have stopped touching that word if they ever used it before. Many just continue to, because in the world they inhabit, nothing has caused them to think about these things on a deep level. That doesn't mean they are bad people. Hearing about it and continuing to purposely use it? Yeah, that's bad. Hearing about it and trying to avoid saying it? Good. But before that point, it's not that simple.
I'll probably get called a liar again for implying not everyone has the same level awareness of these concepts as everyone on this forum but oh well. Sorry I don't live in the same part of the world as a lot of you.
