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Video: Nancy Pelosi Knew Iraq War was Based on Bad Intel at the Time, Explains Why She Opposed Impeachment For Bush
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Yup, and the American people wanted war as much as Bush wanted to provide it for them. People wanted revenge, and they didn't care if it was the right people or not.
Nancy going out against it at the time wouldn't have stopped it.
Which comes back to the centrism = cowardice.
Won't do the right thing if they think it's going to be unpopular. People are dying en masse and the other side is frantically yanking the Overton window one way but the pragmatists are hiding behind approval ratings. Whatever it takes to ensure a long career in politics is their sole guiding principle.
The absolute anger I have for people like Pelosi is bloody colossal.
So much suffering. Even if it led to the same result, you could've done something to help mitigate this.
But no, you have to maintain a ''way of life''.
Much as these career politicians hope that people will forget about this, it'll continue to come up. And my hope, is that it'll be the end of them.
The time for letting them get away with this has to end soon.
They can talk in their podcast interviews, talk in these shows, claim that this is all in the name of pragmatism, cry about ''purity tests'' and lie all they want.
It will not go away.
So much suffering. Even if it led to the same result, you could've done something to help mitigate this.
But no, you have to maintain a ''way of life''.
Much as these career politicians hope that people will forget about this, it'll continue to come up. And my hope, is that it'll be the end of them.
The time for letting them get away with this has to end soon.
They can talk in their podcast interviews, talk in these shows, claim that this is all in the name of pragmatism, cry about ''purity tests'' and lie all they want.
It will not go away.
Absolutely. This kind of foreign policy cannot continue. We as a country cannot continue to destroy millions of lives for the sake of political posturing or oil or 'communism' or whatever else.
Preach dude
A big reason why I think sanders is the only candidate worth a shit is because of his foreign politics
It's interesting to think about whether a poster would get banned if they showed up in a thread and called Kissinger "the gold standard" or argued that innocent people killed in drone attacks were justified.
There's a strange disconnect between the supposed values of this site and the people who are allowed to be stanned for here.
helio always works to drag conversations into the shitter tho. he's being banned for a long history of trying to render conversations angry non-funcitonal messes because that's just how he posts.
Or if that poster started arguing for and supporting torture like waterboarding. As Nancy did (and she lied about it as hard as any GOP lies about anything when they get caught)
This is pragmatism at action. This cynical cowardice and information control is what people excuse or, if you're truly depraved, willfully celebrate.
We can absolutely do better, and it starts with demanding better from those who wield power.
Ah, but you see, we shouldn't vote for Bernie because... *checks list*
Pragmatism
He would disillusion voters by promising too much
He's angry and he shouts a lot
No, I think we should go for an establishment Dem again. Let's let go of the rope and see if we win the tug-of-war. It'll work this time.
No, but see, we wouldn't want that way of life here in America. Where we impeach war hungry presidents. Better that brown people overseas have their way of life disrupted with death and violence instead.
What an obscenely shallow justification. How devoid of humanity can someone be?
What an obscenely shallow justification. How devoid of humanity can someone be?
We saw the same in the Obama-Flint thread, and we'll continue to see the same in all the "political" threads on this site. Don't criticize war criminals or those that whitewash crimes against humanity, lest you get banned.
Etc moderation is disgusting. It took a massive outcry from posters for the mods to even offer a fig leaf after the shit they pulled in the Trans Week Awareness thread.
Jesus, this is fucking gross to see. I have admired some of Pelosi's acumen in the past but this is unacceptable. We need better leadership than this.
yeah it's pathetic, I'm wondering can us black/brown folks speak comfortably on here and vent out our frustrations that WE go through or are we gonna be tagged as "inflammatory"?
You mean the site that is an offshoot to one of the top 5 hillaryclinton.com referrals is heavily centrist democrat leaning?
It was also a top 5 Sanders one, but of course that's never mentioned.
This is like the tenth thread in a row where the actual topic is completely drowned out by community warfare, ban whining, extreme toxicity and basically endless drama between posters/mods.
I'm tired of going over this topic, but something has to give in some form or another, this shit isn't getting better and ever since people feel free to openly shit on mods and use threads to lobby for ban removals, it's getting worse.
I'm tired of going over this topic, but something has to give in some form or another, this shit isn't getting better and ever since people feel free to openly shit on mods and use threads to lobby for ban removals, it's getting worse.
they should try a different approach then instead of giving questionable bans and locking threads before people have a chance to even reply
I think the answer is bad because it's wrong. Impeachment is always a political decision, Pelosi has said this prior and she knows it's true. Impeachment is a political process by nature, not purely a legalistic one, and Pelosi knows that there was no majority support for impeaching George W. Bush in 2007 for how the run-up to the Iraq War was justified to congress or the public. Beyond that, it would have hurt Democratic chances in 2008. If Bush were going to be impeached for anything by 2007 or 2008 it would have been for the Valerie Plame affair, which he seems to have been shielded from. Beyond that, though, what Pelosi doesn't want to say is that the public opinion had shifted on the war by 2007 and that it was political capital for Democrats going into 2008... it's an uncomfortable reality.
Impeachment is political and there's always political risk there. I think it's naive to think that impeachment is purely legalistic or purely some values-based decision. The case against Trump is as surefire an instance of congress using its impeachment power as there can be, and even still, it's a divisive political issue that has opportunity to backfire.
Impeachment is political and there's always political risk there. I think it's naive to think that impeachment is purely legalistic or purely some values-based decision. The case against Trump is as surefire an instance of congress using its impeachment power as there can be, and even still, it's a divisive political issue that has opportunity to backfire.
Yea, if you think the bans are questionable that's your opinion and you can share that opinion with mods via DM iirc . People getting got wasn't an issue till just recently, and now everyone think they have free reign to just openly complain about moderation out of the guise of "wanting transparency", which has completely nuked the discussion in threads the moment someone gets moderated.
Silencing minority voices and calling their views extreme toxicity is exactly why youre seeing this type of behavior.
nah, this has happened to several posters and shit needs to be laid out in the open and transparent because it's affecting a specific community on this site.
There is literally an entire thread of people saying pretty explicit stuff regarding Pelosi, and from what I've seen only two people were banned, one for only a week and another up for review because of the lengthy history of similar infractions.
So if the argument is "people are being silenced", I find it hard to believe that since there are endless threads repeating the same stuff from the same people.
Thread has devolved into the kind of inter-community war that we've received so many complaints about, and will have to stay locked.
Look, when members make inflammatory generalisations about each other, they get reported, and if we don't act on it the other side reciprocates and things escalate. If we do act on it, their allies blow up the thread. We've hit people on opposing sides for it in this very thread.
There's been plenty of this to go around, and to hear the feedback we get, everyone thinks the people they disagree with are getting away with too much.
By all means condemn Nancy Pelosi, the US Government, Capitalism, whatever -- many posters have been doing that and it's all good. But when you start generalising to the point where your fellow members are included in those attacks, we have to act or communities will start tearing each other apart.
We're going to leave this thread without further action in the hopes that people cool off. The primaries haven't even started yet; folks are going to have to find a way to coexist. We're only trying to keep the peace.
Look, when members make inflammatory generalisations about each other, they get reported, and if we don't act on it the other side reciprocates and things escalate. If we do act on it, their allies blow up the thread. We've hit people on opposing sides for it in this very thread.
There's been plenty of this to go around, and to hear the feedback we get, everyone thinks the people they disagree with are getting away with too much.
By all means condemn Nancy Pelosi, the US Government, Capitalism, whatever -- many posters have been doing that and it's all good. But when you start generalising to the point where your fellow members are included in those attacks, we have to act or communities will start tearing each other apart.
We're going to leave this thread without further action in the hopes that people cool off. The primaries haven't even started yet; folks are going to have to find a way to coexist. We're only trying to keep the peace.
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