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Vice: The Pursuit of Cheap Video Games Has Been Getting Switch Owners Banned
- Thread starter Atheerios
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Why the hell are Nintendo even letting people register fraudulently obtained keys? What a backward system.
Steam lets publishers revoke keys that were obtained fraudulently, and doesn't punish the user beyond revoking access to the game, or if it's not yet been redeemed it makes it invalid for redemption.
Steam lets publishers revoke keys that were obtained fraudulently, and doesn't punish the user beyond revoking access to the game, or if it's not yet been redeemed it makes it invalid for redemption.
Would this apply to other platforms or is this an issue exclusive to the eShop? Aren't keys revoked automatically?
edit: So it's Nintendo banning for chargebacks like every other company? The article only touches on this being a Nintendo problem primarily but
https://beta.support.xbox.com/help/...scriptions/digital-goods-subscriptions-refund (no info on chargebacks but you can request a refund)
edit: So it's Nintendo banning for chargebacks like every other company? The article only touches on this being a Nintendo problem primarily but
https://beta.support.xbox.com/help/...scriptions/digital-goods-subscriptions-refund (no info on chargebacks but you can request a refund)
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It's Nintendo. They're a decade behind in everything online-related.
Nintendo's aggressive policing of their services continues to be terrible. Don't see the point when they can just, as noted, revoke access.
Don't buy from key resellers.
Don't buy from regions you don't reside in, just to take advantage of regional pricing.
Nintendo should just revoke access though. Banning entire Switches is ridiculously nuclear and anti-consumer.
Don't buy from regions you don't reside in, just to take advantage of regional pricing.
Nintendo should just revoke access though. Banning entire Switches is ridiculously nuclear and anti-consumer.
A permanent ban where you lose access to all of your games is too damn harsh, especially when Nintendo games never drop to reasonable prices.
How does Nintendo know the keys were purchased with a stolen Credit Card (from a third party seller)? Until the charge back is issued it would look like a completely normal transaction.
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Don't the other console platform holders do this? I remember reading a while back that Sony banned users for redeeming fraudulent keys as well
The article makes it sound like Nintendo did not have a policy to address chargebacked key sales before, likely in large part because of the region locked nature of their past systems making such policies effectively unnecessary, but now has a policy in place to deal with it in line with other platform holders. That seems perfectly reasonable to me
The article makes it sound like Nintendo did not have a policy to address chargebacked key sales before, likely in large part because of the region locked nature of their past systems making such policies effectively unnecessary, but now has a policy in place to deal with it in line with other platform holders. That seems perfectly reasonable to me
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But I want to.
Also unless I'm misreading this article isn't even about that.
It's part of the pursuit of cheap video games. And it's going to get the next Nintendo hardware region locked again. Stop it.
Steam doesn't ban you for activating keys ever. You'll just lose access to content.
Even If you purchase directly from Steam, you'll just get 90 day purchase ban for account, that payment method will be permanently banned though.
(repeat offenders may get more severe punishments though)
Listen to this wise man.
Nintendo store sale prices are rarely better than physical copies prices. Digital price outta whack here.
I think Steam just removes access to the game.
I remember that happening to me years ago with a game I traded TF2 items for
I think I even got my TF2 items back
Do you feel entitled to pirate a game if its price isn't "reasonable"?
Yep, if it was removing the affected key, I'd understand, considering Steam also does that, but that is too much.
It may be, yeah. But still, Sony and MS do the same thing on PS and XBL. Tons of other websites do the same thing with chargebacks. This is hardly a Nintendo issue.
Bit of a stretch to assume anyone purchasing a key is pirating. But I'm not familiar with Gameflip. Is it similar to G2A?
There are a variety of way someone could end up using one of these keys without having any idea it was fraudulently obtained.
Obviously I'm referring to the point at which Nintendo discover a key was frequently obtained, and I am talking about any kind of fraud, not just chargeback fraud.
Yeah, I'd think so, if the card you bought was fraudulent. I've used raise in the past, but I'm thinking it might not be worth it to save a few bucks when you consider that I'm putting my whole library at risk.
It's stupid to punish the user for a banned key that they bought from a bad seller, obviously, but the lesson here is- buy Switch games used, locally! When I was a Switch owner I just bought used. Nintendo gets none of the money and you don't have to pay $60 for an older game.
I imagine the answer is a little bit of yes and no. Yes in that, if you buy a gift card on raise and the original purchaser does a chargeback, Nintendo would probably reprimand you in the same way they would for a purchased game. No in that I believe Raise would cover you with a refund or new card of the same value if that were to happen. So you would get reprimanded and have to deal with Nintendo's customer support but you wouldn't lose the money you spent on the card in the first place.
this thread was made specifically about nintendo so not really sure why people talking about nintendo bothers you
I don't believe Nintendo has a way to revoke licenses from a system. It's why they don't offer refunds and why many of these people still have access to the stolen game even after account issues.
Since sales from the eShop are instantly tied to the primary system of the account holder that activates it, Nintendo's only recourse is to ban the account of the stolen merchandise.
Since it's not possible for a consumer to purchase a key direct from Nintendo. The only way this particular fraud can take place is for a stolen Credit Card to be used on a third party store/authorized partner [Gamestop/GMG/Walmart/Amazon/Best Buy/etc] since that's the only way to get a key without instant account activation. The fraud would not be detectable by Nintendo and only becomes detectable once the card owner notifies their card services about the stolen card and the transaction is reversed from the authorized third party, then Nintendo would be notified that the key issued is invalid.
Nintendo needs to come up with a way to revoke system licenses (which unfortunately would require online check-ins) to resolve this issue.
Buying a game from a place selling keys cheaper than the official store is piracy now?
The title of the article should read, "people buying stolen game codes are getting banned".
The place (should say people, not place since it's an online marketplace) selling the keys literally stole them.
Not chargebacks, Nintendo's policy was permanent bans if you purchase what turned out to be a fraudulent code from someone else (who actually committed the chargeback). I got a code once from cdkeys that Microsoft revoked and gave me a temp suspension, but there's an appeal process and when I showed proof of purchase and that I was disputing it they immediately restored me. Took away access to that game, or course, but I didn't get an account ban. Which seems to be exactly what Nintendo's new policy is.
Because they're silly drive-by posts?
The article is talking about Switch users, but the issue lies in people buying keys from unkown sources. It's a lot more about a grey market than it is about Nintendo's policies.
Agreed, especially since the article says if you can show proof that you weren't the one doing the fraudulent activity, you can be unbanned.
The codes were not fraudulent. They were legitimate codes that were purchased with stolen credit cards. The chargebacks triggered an account ban same as it does on PSN or XBL. Also, as far as I know, Nintendo has not changed their policy. Your account is still banned. You have to reach out to CS and you are at their mercy. When buying third party keys, buyer beware.