Well said, good point. Nintendo and Sony be hating on their past that made them great nowadays.
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VICE: The PS3 and Vita Are Being Buried Alive; "The bottom line must be preserved. Never the games that originally built it."
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This is a very dramatic take on the removal of two years-old products from the web-based PS Store in my opinion. I still play my PS Vita, too, but I think a bit of perspective is needed.
But the PS5 line-up does not consist of PS5 only games, plenty are cross-gen. You are just echoing what others want, the best version of those games. What some of you fail to realize is many just want to play great games and not everyone owned a PS3. For all of you who stay with Playstion gen after gen I get it but not everyone does that. The PS3 had some great games that could really benefit with the new hardware, instead we get (a great looking) remake of a PS3 game as the lead title.
Totally - I hope that as this generation continues, PS spends some time really strengthening PS Now and their investment in Gakai...the full potential is not even close to being realized.
if MS weren't as dedicated as they are towards backwards compatibility, how many games would be playable day one on XSX/XSS ? Not many....
MS had to find a way to make up for their lack of 1st/2nd party input, and they are doing so by promoting their (very good) interoperability with older systems. Something Sony doesn't need to do...
Fucking THANK YOU.
This is the fucking company that can't even leave their damn desktop portal to their PS3 store up. Even though the backend is already fucking there. Plenty of web developers on Era have expressed their own confusion why this would even be difficult to maintain.
They just actively say fuck you to their own legacy. I hate it.
What? Walling off PS3 is the part about this that makes the most sense, that system is a catastrophe architecturallyI still get a feeling Ryan called for such a limited BC. Walling off PS3 still makes no sense.
My poor PS3 has become a Netflix machine because games will cause the console to overheat. Thing was always a piece a crap but it didn't deserve this lol
No BC is a giant shame, but I want Microsoft to announce that they're resuming their BC programme before I start throwing spaghetti at Sony again.
No BC is a giant shame, but I want Microsoft to announce that they're resuming their BC programme before I start throwing spaghetti at Sony again.
Do it, they aren't going to move because people are moaning about it if they still buy the console. I don't really care about it as there's only a few games i would touch again pre-PS4. But if you're getting annoyed about a plastic box then you should do something about it and move on to another console.
I'm one of those people.
PS1-3 were cool but I'd rather they fully remake that stuff from the ground up. PS4 BC is all I need on ps5
I wonder how the people at Polyphony felt lolI'm not sure why people are surprised, considering Jim Ryan once said "why would anybody play this?" after looking at GT1
"Why would anybody play this?" says Sony's Jim Ryan about backwards compatibility
Backwards compatibility support on PlayStation 4 is a feature many want, but only a few will actually use, according to…www.vg247.com
Sure, but I mean this applies to Sony as well. Most of Sonys systems are BC. PS2 was BC with PS1, PS3 was BC with PS2 and PS1 Vita was BC with psp and PS1. Really only the PS4 has not had BC and the PS5 likely can't do PS3 BC due to hardware limitations. But they are bringing those libraries to the PS5 in one way or another (PSNow and PS3 games)
Really only Microsofts BC has gone above and beyond going to 360, and og xbox, and a lot of that has to do with circumstances (although Microsoft should certainly be commended for doing so)
EDIT: With that being said, PS1 BC and PS2 BC being lacking in the PS5 is a huge bummer. at least the PS1, PS2 classics off PSN should carry over.
Og xbox, Xbox, 360, and the x1 are all completely different architectures. This excuse about PlayStation not having bc for that reason is growing tired. Ps1 and 2 software bc exists and Sony just doesn't give a damn because they've got insane market share.
Due to the fact that my backlog is and will likely always be out of control, I'm getting all third party games going forward on Xbox consoles due to their BC solution. I've held off on so many games just for this. For the past whatever, I've been playing my switch, wii u and ps3. I'm still getting ps4/xb1 games, just so I can have them ready for the new launches.
Look, I understand where people are coming from about how Sony not being the greatest when it comes to BC, but i personally feel like they're trending upwards going from a system with 0% Native BC (PS4) to a system with almost 100% Native BC for a previous console (PS5). It's getting better not worse.
I can do better—a game from 2014: Halo: The Master Chief Collection.
That and the lack of Smart Delivery for Spider-Man PS4. I plan on grabbing Miles for PS4 since I won't have a PS5 for a bit, and its super disappointing to either have to rebuy a game I already own, or play an inferior version of it. Doesn't make sense when their competitor is offering Smart Delivery.
The vitriol with which this article is written is wild to me.
I just cannot find it in me to care about backwards compatibility. I'm going to play a few games from last gen in the first 6 months, and then never again. And if it's beyond that, honestly, I want a new and improved remaster.
Would it be nice if everything in perpetuity always worked on every new console? Yes. I just still wouldn't use it and I really wonder how much it matters to most users. Not all features are created equal.
I just cannot find it in me to care about backwards compatibility. I'm going to play a few games from last gen in the first 6 months, and then never again. And if it's beyond that, honestly, I want a new and improved remaster.
Would it be nice if everything in perpetuity always worked on every new console? Yes. I just still wouldn't use it and I really wonder how much it matters to most users. Not all features are created equal.
Gears is 2019 so is Forza Horizon 4. Ori is from this year.
A lot of people on era don't care and will just wait for a remaster or remake.
If hardcore players don't care about backwards compatibility I'm pretty sure most of the casual gaming audience doesn't care. These are the people making up most of the console sales. People forget how many just want to play the next cod, gta and fifa.
If hardcore players don't care about backwards compatibility I'm pretty sure most of the casual gaming audience doesn't care. These are the people making up most of the console sales. People forget how many just want to play the next cod, gta and fifa.
Embarrassing take Smasher.
On topic, its always such a struggle for me when it comes to BC. I have so many current gen games to play I just cannot fathom having the time and energy to finish my current catalog, let alone play through the oldies!
Video games is maybe one of the few mediums that just shows utter contempt for its legacy, and has diligently trained its customers to never ever question that in any case. There are so many things we will be losing in the next few years because of that. While it's never expected to preserve absolutely everything (a big chunk of movies and books are, after all, lost). But I can still go buy some reprint DVD or some fucking awful movie today way easier than I could get to play a good game from the PS3 era, let alone something older.
It would be also less of a a problem if there was at least a legal and accessible alternative to this, but there usally isn't, and companies like Sony and Nintendo make absolutely sure of that.
It would be also less of a a problem if there was at least a legal and accessible alternative to this, but there usally isn't, and companies like Sony and Nintendo make absolutely sure of that.
Neither are
Smart delivery is nothing more than a marketing term for a free upgrade for games that come out at the same time, which Sony has as well. The only old game is gears5 from late 2019, and good on Xbox for improving it for free and putting smart delivery on it. But it was really only done because without reincorporating old games their launch lineup would be even more abysmal than now.
I assume it's because people are ok with paying Nintendo to play them again anyway. But you're right.
Yuuuppp, backwards compatibility is a bonus not a necessity. The only game I would care to go back and play from PS3 is MGS4, I still have my disc just on a PS3 but I'm not going to be up in arms over it for the rest of my life and shit on a platform for it. And as the poster above had mentioned, it seems only Sony is the one who gets flak for it when Nintendo is just as bad if not worse at abandoning their past games.
Can guarantee that 99% would prefer remakes than play the PS3 version of those games..
I so regret having the PS3 as my Main Platform, if i would have gone with the 360 i could play most of those Games on the newer Console which would benefit so much from stronger Hardware.
Fuck Sony for not caring about preservation, it's such an important thing and when you are sitting on the richest Catalogue of Games of past 4 Generations and don't care about them then you frankly also don't deserve to be part of the industry. Selling shiny Remakes of older Games for full price instead of just offering the older ones and pretending those are now the definitive versions to play those Games is arrogant and fuels this idea that Games are disposable and get bad over time, when in reality that couldn't be further from the truth.
Fuck Sony for not caring about preservation, it's such an important thing and when you are sitting on the richest Catalogue of Games of past 4 Generations and don't care about them then you frankly also don't deserve to be part of the industry. Selling shiny Remakes of older Games for full price instead of just offering the older ones and pretending those are now the definitive versions to play those Games is arrogant and fuels this idea that Games are disposable and get bad over time, when in reality that couldn't be further from the truth.
They're removing existing ways to buy the games and/or download the library you've already bought. Close enough?
It's kind of hilarious at this point how often that Jim Ryan quote gets jumped on, as if this is all his fault.
Just remember that Sony have had this approach to BC since just after the $599 PS3 catastrophe, long before Ryan was the CEO. They switched their focus to remastering and reselling the best games from previous generations in favour of native BC, and that continued right through to the PS4.
Just remember that Sony have had this approach to BC since just after the $599 PS3 catastrophe, long before Ryan was the CEO. They switched their focus to remastering and reselling the best games from previous generations in favour of native BC, and that continued right through to the PS4.
An unfortunately accurate take. Sony's abysmal approach to BC and legacy content is a huge disappointment in contrast to their early efforts in the console space.
Nothing against you but this is the second time you are undermining BP work on this game, you have something against them?
On topic, save for the PS3 compared to the competition i don't think sony has done worse?
Unfortunately, me cancelling/posting on here/twitter does literally nothing. But that's not the point of posting on a forum, really, is it?
If industry people, such as Vice, actually bothered to highlight what is consistently an issue on places like this, Sony might actually figure it'd be worth taking a look at, but ehh, they're probably right that no one cares about old games any more.
Sony already have the majority of people ordering in a good place, as most won't cancel unless they do something really egregious, and I don't think there's any problem with expressing disappointment/annoyance with their stance on certain things
Really?
You're equating people wanting to play their old games with people wanting to preserve monuments exalting slavers.
You can't guarantee anything because they don't exist other than paying for PS Now and getting an inferior experience. I will guarantee that many will be playing PS4 games on the PS5.
That's cool that they added splitscreen and removed the frame and resolution cap for free, but that means Smart delivery is a lot less robust than I thought, I thought it was only a moniker for fully fully optimized games. I would expect a graphical upgrade too, like the big changes being made in SM:R
People are actually saying Nintendo is worse or just as bad as Sony with regards to backwards compatibility and its strange to read. Nintendo basically always has at least bc of the most recent hardware, whether Ds-3DS or WiiU-Wii-Gamecube, and Switch is basically a fresh start. Sony only seems to have cared when it was "easy" to just throw the PSOne in the PS2 or the 2 into the 3. Microsoft on the other hand is basically as close to the ideal place as possible in reality.
I'm in that 99%, the PS3 games were nice, but I would love to see how those games would be remade with new and better technology.
No, I didn't. Please explain how I'm comparing them and not the argument that a very specific thing is needed to preserve history when other things represent that history?
I very clearly said I wasn't equivocating the two but the underlying logic, did you read that far?
Do you expect everything to remain the same for all eternity? You can still buy and download PS3 games, you just can't do it on your web browser. The console is 14 (!!!) years old!
I am all for backwards compatibility but it might not be worth it on Sony's end.
Microsoft have an army of engineers to do the work Sony may not have those resources.
Microsoft games are basically made using the same architecture so it's easier to work with. The PS1 architecture is different to the PS2 and the PS3 is unique again.
I have a feeling it will be slowly introduced this coming generation. It going to take time to put something together.
Microsoft have an army of engineers to do the work Sony may not have those resources.
Microsoft games are basically made using the same architecture so it's easier to work with. The PS1 architecture is different to the PS2 and the PS3 is unique again.
I have a feeling it will be slowly introduced this coming generation. It going to take time to put something together.
Honestly, I can see nostalgia for some games in their original form, but the majority of games from that era would be better as remakes. Especially PS3 era.
if Sony is half-assing this legacy stuff why the fuck would I continue to use PlayStation as my main console? It seems so short sighted. I, among many others, will be moving to a platform that understands this.
for me, the PS5 will be a first party box with 10-20 games total. a sharp contrast to this gen where I own 100+ games on PS4.
for me, the PS5 will be a first party box with 10-20 games total. a sharp contrast to this gen where I own 100+ games on PS4.
I have absolutely zero games to play or look forward to, and being able to revisit old classics like Wild ARMs, Suikoden II, Folklore or inFamous 2 would be a nice way to actually not die of boredom.