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VICE is definitely the worst 2019 Oscar Best Picture nominee, right?
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I test my case blackkklansman burin the only half decent movie
A middle of the road movie doesn't have a 88 MC score or 97 RT. And a movie doesn't make billions if it's only memorable because of a great antagonist. The cultural consensus is that it's an Oscar caliber movie.
If you feel that way though, more power to ya.
Nope. Imagine thinking Black Panther is boring. Christ lmdao
I didn't like Vice, but I liked Roma even less so that makes it my least favorite 2019 BP nom.
While I agree that the editing in Bohemian Rhapsody is...abysmal, I don't think it actively harms the telling of the story. At the very least I can look at this scene and understand what it's trying to say. Vice's editing, on the other hand, is a complete trash fire. Easily the worst editing of any 2018 film I've seen, Oscar nominated or otherwise.
While I agree that the editing in Bohemian Rhapsody is...abysmal, I don't think it actively harms the telling of the story. At the very least I can look at this scene and understand what it's trying to say. Vice's editing, on the other hand, is a complete trash fire. Easily the worst editing of any 2018 film I've seen, Oscar nominated or otherwise.
Imagine being such a fanboy you can't accept othe people opinions.
But anyway. BP is boring af. And I like slow burn movies/shows but that movie is BOOOORING.
Seriously pulling for Black Panther to win. That'll be the most entertaining result.
Vice and BR were just bad movies straight up.
Vice and BR were just bad movies straight up.
This isn't supposed to be about awarding the highest grossing movie. In that case every year best picture goes to popcorn flicks that made a lot of money. I don't disagree with the rest of your point. Just don't think it's a great movie despite its success. I don't know if it will be as remembered as you think though. There are several marvel movies a year now, it'll get lost in the shuffle when people look back.
That sounds like such a real old school rock band thing, I can actually believe it haha
Fanboy? Great retort! Really showed me. I'm very accepting of people's opinions if they're sensible and make sense. Explain how or why it bored you?
I like how this Oscars has more conversations about the worst of the best picture noms than the best.
So in your mind, my opinion doesn't make sense bc you liked BP and I didn't. lol
No, the Oscars shouldn't be a popularity contest but 99% of the time the movie they give Best Picture too isn't the best picture of the year. The best that you can hope for with the Oscars is that they give it to a good movie that will be remembered, as opposed to shit like The Artist which people have already forgot about. I think BP is the 5th best nominee but I'd be fine with it winning cause I think it's good (objectively a better-made movie than IW) and in a lot of ways representative of the big "narrative" of the year in cinema.
Also I totally disagree that it will get lost in the marvel shuffle. The setting and cast differentiate it in a way that keeps it from blending in with most of the other Marvel movies, aside from the fact that it's already a phenomenon and domestically the highest-grossing MCU movie of all time.
I personally enjoyed Vice but I definitely don't think it deserves to win Best Picture. I don't agree with most of the criticisms I've seen of the film but it definitely has problems with: the way it really downplays Bush's involvement, the Shakespeare scene, the torture scene and nobody looks right until pretty deep into the film. What I mean by that is for example early in the film Steve Carell just looks like Steve Carell with glasses and Christian Bale just looks like husky Christian Bale. It's pretty distracting. Also, the ending is such a nothing scene. I will say that I like Bale's Cheney voice more than his fucking atrocious Batman voice. lol
100%. Vice's editing actively gives you a headache and muddles the story
I haven't watched BR, but after watching this clip:
You literally mean all teeth. What's up with that. Lmao
Also that scene was really bad.
First Reformed
The Rider
You were Never Really Here
Paddington 2
Eighth Grade
MI Fallout
If Beale Street Could Talk
Leave No Trace
Can You Ever Forgive Me
Spiderman
Shoplifters
Burning
Sorry To Bother You
Blindspotting
Annihilation
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs
Hereditary
Widows
Suspiria
A Private War
Private Life
Wildlife
First Man
The Old Man and the Gun
All better choices than at least half of the films nominated
I don't think 2018 was a great year but you can easily pick out 10 high quality movies from this year, and then probably 10 on top of that.
Watch more movies.
Did you watch them all? If so, i would like to know what you consider to be a good movie.
Sure, and I and many other queer people thought the film came across as weirdly homophobic.
Framing all the gay encounters as either dark shadowy figures or the entirely fictional lying gay man who manipulates Freddie and is the start of his downfall is a clear choice. Film is a visual medium and how you depict the characters and situations creates a moral implication. Literally having a scene where he visits a leather bar and looks almost overwhelmed by hedonistic desire directly juxtaposed with the song Another One Bites the Dust suggests a clear moral framing of non-monogamous gay sex, whether intended or not, that depicts it as a destructive and terrible force in his undoing. The immorality of sex with strangers is shown to be an element of what we're meant to read as the self-destructive behavior and the "good" gay lover only appears briefly, despite being a massive part of Freddie's life for years and years, and is framed as sexless moral support who quietly holds his hand.
Hutton's meeting with Mercury is presented as entirely devoid of any of the same debauchery the rest of the gay encounters are depicted as -- he's cleaning up your house, Freddie, do you get it! -- even though in real life he met this second great love of his life at a gay bar, because of course he did. Couldn't possibly have that in the film, though, could we; people might get the wrong impression and think this was one of the bad gays like all the rest.
People still obsess over Iron Man as the first one -- and so for a certain kind of person, forever the best one -- so it's possible Black Panther could have the same relevance.
No more or less than 90% of other films. I hear people talk about the Captain America films more than The Artist, Hurt Locker, or Birdman
The useless Brian May reaction shots are like out of a YouTube poop. As if it was in the contract that he needs equal screen time or something else sillly.
I'm gonna just agree and quote this.
This crop of best picture nominees is absolutely just awful.
Roma or the Favourite better win. When considering the competition they are not only better but the ONLY reasonable choices.
It's a horrible film with horrible acting. It is a slap in the face to Freddy Mercury as a musician and artist. He deserved better.
Vice wasn't great, but it wasn't the worst of the nominees. It also made me laugh out loud with some of the comedy bits, which is rare.
I'd argue A Star is Born and Bohemian Rhapsody are both weaker than Vice, mostly due very weak scripts (in Bohemian's case abysmally so, Star was just all sorts mediocre).
I'd argue A Star is Born and Bohemian Rhapsody are both weaker than Vice, mostly due very weak scripts (in Bohemian's case abysmally so, Star was just all sorts mediocre).
Do we think maybe the framing of gay sex as horrible and immoral in Bohemian Rhapsody was the entirely accidental result of its director being a pedophile who literally doesn't know how to depict a healthy expression of queer sexuality?
The weirdest thing about A Star is Born is that it's a remake of a series of films that are largely about what it's like to be the wife of a self-destructive man and reframes it so that she's almost a side character. The husband has historically been underdeveloped in these movies, so it's nice to evolve his role, but it's like they overcorrected to make the film entirely about him, which in the end resulted in it lacking in depth. She's still technically the point of view character, at least sometimes, but there's so little there about her actual perspective.
The weirdest thing about A Star is Born is that it's a remake of a series of films that are largely about what it's like to be the wife of a self-destructive man and reframes it so that she's almost a side character. The husband has historically been underdeveloped in these movies, so it's nice to evolve his role, but it's like they overcorrected to make the film entirely about him, which in the end resulted in it lacking in depth. She's still technically the point of view character, at least sometimes, but there's so little there about her actual perspective.
I would agree with BR as being the worst of the bunch. I enjoyed the movie for the most part but BP nominee? Not even close. I didn't even think Malek's performance was that great and they exaggerated the hell out of his teeth. The movie was horribly safe and by-the-numbers. I would have rather saw Cohen's take on it, personally.
I think people think of the Best Picture category as more prestigious than it actually is. For years, there have been movies created to fit the "Oscar bait" mold to fill up nominations in these categories despite being filled unremarkable movies each year. This is one of the first years in recent memory where the nominations actually are in line with what the critical and audience reception of these movies were in real life, rather than some super elite group of movie snobs that get off praising the same types of movies every year.
It's never been about nominating the outstanding work of the year, but rather checking boxes to gain approval of a voting body with their own biases. The argument of whether the Best Picture nominees are mediocre this year seem silly in this context.
It's never been about nominating the outstanding work of the year, but rather checking boxes to gain approval of a voting body with their own biases. The argument of whether the Best Picture nominees are mediocre this year seem silly in this context.
I like this post
(though I would probably replace Isle of Dogs with Spider-Verse)
I mean, there's literally a scene where the main character talks to a spirit version of his dead father for guidance that even as far as imagery goes is straight lifted from TLK. But more to the structural points of TLK, it becomes about the throne being usurped and the main character, who is the true heir to the throne, coming back to reclaim what is rightfully his.
And I want to be clear, I am not saying BP is literally The Lion King, what I said is "[it] also cribs liberally from The Lion King at points." As in, that was an aside in addition to my larger point. But to say it doesn't have any of these same beats is wrong.
My point was largely that BP still follows the Marvel blockbuster formula to a T. And there's nothing wrong with that. I love all the Marvel movies, including Black Panther. But people are ascribing much greater importance to the plot than there actually is. I think there is a bit more depth going on with the Killmonger character (which I also pointed out in that post) that is a bit more outside the normal formula and is actually about something real, but I don't think that is enough to elevate the entire movie -- and I also think they shied away from REALLY making a statement with him because they didn't want to veer too far off the formula.
But I'm always willing to listen and learn. So please don't hesitate to enlighten me on what supposedly important themes I'm not recognizing in the movie.
I never said they did.
It's a race for last this year. 2018 had so much more to offer in cinema than these shocking nominations. In a year where voters were absolutely spoiled for choice, with so many genres and so many opportunities to represent marginalized filmmakers, we have the likes of Vice and Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody. I don't like ASIB or Black Panther either but at least their merit is debatable. Those other three are not debatable -- they are bad.
I'm not a fan of Black Panther. It doesn't deserve an Oscar for any catagory. However, I recognize it justifiably meant a lot to the black community as a film not just about strong black characters, but also went mainstream with young people. That said, it's not the first film to accomplish that.
Many critically and financially successful mainstream films with a majority black cast existed before Black Panther. I make this point because it would be a massive disservice to those films to imply they were simply "too white" or not popular enough.
What's your argument against it in terms of sound editing, sound mixing, and costume design?
I didn't say no movies with a majority black cast existed before BP. BP is absolutely the first blockbuster film at the budget level it's at (and put out as a major studio release like it was) to have a majority black cast though.
Vice is leagues better than Bhohemian Rhapsody. Watched it today and this is one of the worst films I have ever seen.
The entire ending of him finding the nice, non-deviant male who works hard, introducing him to the family, talking about how he always remembered what his father said, becoming monogamous, getting away from drugs, etc. They painted a pretty clear picture of what is considered "good" and "bad" and tied everything bad to the homosexual lifestyle he had prior. Might as well added the white picket fence in.
I usually watch all the best picture nominees, but from clips that I've seen (and reviews/impressions) I decided to skip Bohemian Rhapsody (and Star is Born for other reasons). I thought Vice was quite decent, but not nearly the best I've seen from last year.
That's what happens when you litter the category with shit choices designed to do nothing but cause conversation and entice people to tune in.