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Yep, best time to buy is when everyone else is too afraid to. As long as you're not trying to short term trade then you should end up fine

So, that's not really true. What you're referring to is commonly held wisdom for the stock market in general, but doesn't apply to individual stocks (which is what most crypto should be considered). E.g. when Blockbuster was failing, it wouldn't have been smart to buy low because it was going to go bankrupt.
 

Skyscourge

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Obviously they're different, but doesn't make one not a scam. Even Bernie Madoff called the stock market a scam. Wall St and a casino are both rigged in their favor as they're clearly not on the same playing field as everyone else.

And no, I'm not stanning crypto so don't misinterpret my words like im a CryptBro. They're both scams.
Yes, we should trust the word of a known ponzi schemer that the stock market is a scam. Please explain how it is a scam.
 

Dave.

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Tether seems to be imploding now a bit it dropped to something like 0.92 from a dollar which should be impossible. If BTC keeps dropping it could margin call and implode now.
You're off by an order of magnitude. Tether at 0.92 would indeed be probably cryptocalypse imminent, but it only went to 0.992 recently. It did hit 0.92 in the 2017 crash, though.

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Host Samurai

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Yes, we should trust the word of a known ponzi schemer that the stock market is a scam. Please explain how it is a scam.
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. These hedge funds managers no doubt exchange information with each other without giving any fucks or suffering any sort of consequences, have access to lots more information and can move money way faster than your average investor. They also hire mouthpieces to go on a television show or news program to publicly distort or hype a stock to millions of people, which manipulates the market. That's only off the top of my head without getting into all the issues like law makers in congress being allowed to play the market, which is insider trading.

Don't even get me started on that Citadel shit.
 
Jun 10, 2018
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Yes, we should trust the word of a known ponzi schemer that the stock market is a scam. Please explain how it is a scam.
Seriously. It's like taking the word of Elizabeth Holmes or the Wirecard CEO as insightful advice.

Of course people who screwed over the system are going to see the whole thing as a scam - they were fucking scammers to begin with!
 
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The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. These hedge funds managers no doubt exchange information with each other without giving any fucks or suffering any sort of consequences, have access to lots more information and can move money way faster than your average investor. They also hire mouthpieces to go on a television show or news program to publicly distort or hype a stock to millions of people, which manipulates the market. That's only off the top of my head without getting into all the issues like law makers in congress being allowed to play the market, which is insider trading.
Even if all of this is true (which, yes, "the rich get richer" is a fundamental principle of investment), do you think this sort of quick money movement happens with index or mutual funds? What would the point be?
 

Musubi

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They should have expected this and not put their entire life savings into a completely speculative market.
 

Skyscourge

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The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. These hedge funds managers no doubt exchange information with each other without giving any fucks or suffering any sort of consequences, have access to lots more information and can move money way faster than your average investor. They also hire mouthpieces to go on a television show or news program to publicly distort or hype a stock to millions of people, which manipulates the market. That's only off the top of my head without getting into all the issues like law makers in congress being allowed to play the market, which is insider trading.
I'm not sure what you think a hedge fund is, but they have historically rarely beat the market in terms of returns, whatever information you think they are exchanging or are privy to isn't going to affect the average investor. Mouthpieces hyping stock on CNBC to retail investors is bad because they want them to buy in on bad information, but retail investors have no ability to affect the market, they don't have enough capital to do so. Law makers playing insider trading is bad and should be regulated, but again, that doesn't make the market a scam to the average investor.
 
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Pointing to Bernie Madoff as proof of the market being a scam is also an inherently half baked take when guys like the recently departed Jack Bogle, Charlie Munger, and Warren Buffet exist.
 

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Yeah a lot of people i think are going to learn in the next 2-3 years that every asset can fall. Including stocks and real estate/housing. Crypto can go to near 0, while real estate and stocks have a floor that is based on tangible assets, but it can take years to recover. At least with real estate, for a single home, you can live in it.

If the cycle is like history, and it always is, a ton of people are now gonna be talking about gold and real estate as the best places to invest, guaranteed, yadda yadda and then the bottom will fall out on that.

Statistically stocks bounce back and retain their long term annualized average within 10 years. So even if you bought just before a great depression if you hold a diverse index you'll make a good profit long term.

I don't plan on retiring in 17 years and when I do I plan on mostly retaining stocks because I can cut back on recession years and time it.

As my dad was preparing for his imminent demise a few months ago as pancreatic cancer returned, even he put most of their assets in to total market vanguard Stocks/bonds mix at 70/30%. My mother doesn't know too much about investing and she knows to tap into stocks more on booming years and bonds on recession years.
 
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mentok15

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I'm not too familiar with Monero, but honest question: does it provide any utility that is otherwise impossible or impractical without crypto/blockchain technology?
It's main utility is privacy. Unlike Bitcoin, online banking, Paypal etc. Monero transactions can't be traced. It acts as a digital version of physical money.
 

Host Samurai

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I'm not sure what you think a hedge fund is, but they have historically rarely beat the market in terms of returns, whatever information you think they are exchanging or are privy to isn't going to affect the average investor. Mouthpieces hyping stock on CNBC to retail investors is bad because they want them to buy in on bad information, but retail investors have no ability to affect the market, they don't have enough capital to do so. Law makers playing insider trading is bad and should be regulated, but again, that doesn't make the market a scam to the average investor.
What about when Citadel was colluding with Robinhood at the expense of average people, only to get bailed out with everyone's tax dollars? If that's not what rigging is, then idk what is. The entire GameStop fiasco shed light on things we've always assumed, but brushed it off.
 

Skyscourge

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What about when Citadel was colluding with Robinhood at the expense of average people, only to get bailed out with everyone's tax dollars? If that's not what rigging is, then idk what is. The entire GameStop fiasco shed light on things we've always assumed, but brushed it off.
How about you explain to me what exactly happened there, what was the collusion, what was illegal, and how citadel was bailed out with tax money.
 

Dyle

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What about when Citadel was colluding with Robinhood at the expense of average people, only to get bailed out with everyone's tax dollars? If that's not what rigging is, then idk what is. The entire GameStop fiasco shed light on things we've always assumed, but brushed it off.
Everything you just said is wrong, that's not what happened at all
 

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Lol this hardly feels like a crash if you've been around since the early days.

I've always treated crypto investing as sort of a lottery ticket, either it's gonna make me filthy rich in 20 years or it's gonna be worth nothing. I've been holding Bitcoin and Eth for years and am ok with both scenarios.
 

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I don't want to laugh but cmon man

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GYODX

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Lol this hardly feels like a crash if you've been around since the early days.

I've always treated crypto investing as sort of a lottery ticket, either it's gonna make me filthy rich in 20 years or it's gonna be worth nothing. I've been holding Bitcoin and Eth for years and am ok with both scenarios.
A top 10 market cap coin lost >99% of its value in the span of 3 days. $18 billion gone up in smoke.
 

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i have Disney, Amazon and Google and even the bluest of blue chips in this world is squeezing my stomach in the current market…

can't imagine the people holding crypto garbage with their real money
 

Arta

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Guys, everywhere is hurting even if you're in stocks. Yesterday Upstart fell 50% in one day. Netflix and PayPal are down 70% in the last year. There's nowhere to hide if you're invested in equities and correlated assets.

The real criticism of crypto these days is that there were too many influencers hyping nonsense like "Bitcoin isn't correlated to the stock market", "a bull market is coming soon", "when in doubt, zoom out" etc. It kept people from being properly diversified and questioning projects.

For those who want other videos explaining why Terra was always going to fail (aside from CoinBureau from a couple months ago)






When the stock market falls, crypto falls with it even harder. And when you have crap like Terra that a lot of projects are invested in, it's going to drag the market down with it.

And while investing in bear markets can yield great profits when the market gets going again, you have to be careful in assuming everything will go up. In stocks, look at Cisco. In crypto, look at altcoins in bear markets: most of them do not make it out of the old cycle. Bitcoin has the name recognition, maybe ethereum. Everything else isn't guaranteed.

And on top of that, this downswing is far from over. We are likely going into a recession if we aren't in one already, which could result in a bear market for months and years in stocks and crypto.

Stay safe, stay diversified and never invest more than you can afford to lose.
 
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Gyro Zeppeli

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If Bitcoin and Ethereum go down to similar lows as they were in 2018. I'm buying 1 Bitcoin and perhaps 2 Ethereum. Everyone reacting predictably are wasting their breath. This is the crypto cycle. The bear market begins. Eventually the next bull will come.

Edit: In regards to people contemplating suicide in light of their losses, that's truly terrible.
 
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Keuja

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The risks of crypto are clear from the start, so stay in full control by investing only what you can 100% afford to lose without it impacting your life. Don't really feel sorry for those who gambled all their life saving, that's just irresponsible.
 

Madhlad

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My heart goes out to the people who lost so much that they see suicide as the only option.
Yea, at the end of the day some people had put more than they can afford to lose.
From what I am seeing, this coin, in particular, had a cult-like following and one of the main dev sounds like d*ck.

Also, from doing little reading about this coin and its mechanism, looks like it's working as intended.
Fking hell the chart is hard to look at.
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Pwnz

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Guys, everywhere is hurting even if you're in stocks. Yesterday Upstart fell 50% in one day. Netflix and PayPal are down 70% in the last year. There's nowhere to hide if you're invested in equities and correlated assets.

That's some weird stock selections.

.INX is basically flat over one year and maybe a bit of growth from reinvested dividends.

My large cap high dividend yield is up for sure.

Others are down but I'm still way up in 5 years history and stock indices will grow because they have real value. I'm not hurting at all.

Luna is down 99% and has no real value.
 
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