A few things here:
1. Him supporting Jamie means little, since that e-mail was to Monica (and Ron?), with Monica being the one to CC in Jamie right before he dropped the proposed statements. Maybe Jamie's ok with him, but that doesn't mean the others are, and it's weird to want to bring her into it besides. Cause frankly maybe they're all ok with him, but it doesn't make it any less shitty.
2. That tweet supporting Jamie looks like it was about a month before he sent these e-mails, so that also doesn't help much given that he was apparently willing to support Vic like this even after it.
3. What I've bolded is very wrong. My impression of him from stories of him I read - maybe 5+ years ago now - was not "rude to con staff". It was "a creep". That stuff was already out there in general. Hell, even Vic's admitted as much in his deposition, the "rumor panel" stuff, etc. The rumors they talk about in those cases were not "he's a diva".
4. I think you mean well, but "Monica and Jamie were still friends with Vic" is buying into the same misunderstandings he's been claiming as reality and his supporters are using as evidence of hypocrisy. Professionalism and getting along for work purposes (or to not have your career hurt by his influence) are not the same as being actually friendly or wanting to be around someone. Similarly, I don't know how they "clearly did not know of Vic's atrocious actions in private" when some of those actions were directed at them...? Maybe they didn't hear the stories about who else he was targeting, but it's not like they thought he was just a diva after stuff, y'know, happened to them?
1. The statement adresses both, I believe he targeted Monica first because her statement was the most damaging to Vic (and she was the biggest target of Nick's harassment). "It doesn't make it less shitty" I mean, if he apologized since then, yes it does. And there's more conversations they've had we don't have access to. Jamie has also been very protective of her friends, so again, if she felt like Chuck had to apologize or needed to be called out, when asked about it, I'm sure she would let us know. So it's not "weird" at all to want to hear where she stands.
2. And again, you need to put things back into context. A shockingly high amount of the fanbase turned against Monica and Jamie and harassed them on a daily basis. Thanks to the work of Nick. This still hasn't stopped. Literally right now I was on twitter and under a random DBZ tweet I saw this :
On top of that, Nick had been extremely intimidating because of his hatred filled fanbase and his legal threats + the insane gofundme.
Several lawyers stated the case could damage Jamie and Monica. Including recently, Greg Doucette, who stated he won't attack Ty legally until he case is over to make sure he isn't fired and he keeps ruining this case forever because "a competent lawyer could create serious problems for the defendants". Now that being said after the investigation of the defendants' lawyers and the TCPA filings, I don't think anybody could ever salvage that case but it's not something that was known at the time.
So Chuck was trying to foolishly please all parties at once.
Again I do not believe for a second Chuck knew the extent to which Vic had misbehaved, so he thought Vic, as a christian, deserved a chance for redemption if he showed true remorse and worked hard on himself, and shouldn't lose his livelihood right away. This was about the Monica Jamie incidents + his public behavior, not any of the abuse / rapey situations later described. (We can absolutely disagree with this, and I sure do, but that context is important)
Also Chuck had been in communications with Vic and Nick so he didn't randomly demand things, that's what they wanted.
The deal tried to accomplish this :
- Vic admits he hurt people publicly, he is a sex addict, needs therapy and time
- Vic does not get any new role but keeps his existing ones (that just means he voices video games which is more than enough to make a living)
- Monica and Jamie agree to re-qualify the behavior of Vic that they had suggested was akin to criminal, as "inappropriate advances" (not state that it didn't happen)
- Encourage victims of sexual assault to keep sharing their stories (the "not about Vic" didn't mean don't share Vic stories, the mail acknowledges his victims, it was referring to the dozens of women who shared their powerful stories about abuse that were not related to Vic)
- "Our intentions was not to destroy Vic but to make him realize his behavior and lift up victims who have been hurt"
I don't exactly call that "sweeping it under the rug", it's just giving Vic a second chance, the other alternative is just literally firing him and letting him rot (and again, I'm not disagreeing with you guys at all, just saying the second Chuck wanted Vic to have a second chance, it meant staying hired in some capacity)
- Funimation donates 500k to sexual abuse causes
- Vic handles all legal fees and donates the gofundme entirely to the same charity
- Funimation creates new guidelines and rules to make sure every artist they hire interacts with the fanbase in proper manners, and cons monitoring
- Nick publicly apologizes and asks his fan base to stop harassing the women
That's like a very naive and stupid 4th grader plan to "solve it all". But I do not see evil.
3/4.
You're misunderstanding my point.
I was absolutely not implying they were hypocritical.
They stated that they forgave Vic and moved on because they thought it was a one time thing. They were still friends with him.
That wasn't just professional courtesy.
What changed, is that when they saw that his behavior was actually widespread, it made them realize it was absolutely unacceptable and they decided to speak out to support his victims. Which is perfectly legitimate (and that's what the Vic stans are ignoring).
The point is, if they had known about how he targeted young girls, to get into his rooms, that he got fired for that etc..., they would have NEVER remained friends with him, for professional reasons, or else. And the initial scandal was all about Vic and his public behavior + Monica and Jamie incidents.
Therefore it's unfair to claim Chuck is a "rape apologists" and whatever else I'm reading in this thread.
If it's ever stated or proven that Chuck did know, obviously it's irredeemable. But honestly, with all we have seen so far, I do not believe he did.
And this is why I would love to hear more from the people directly involved, if they tell us Chuck is trash then we fully believe them. And if he apologized in private because he was a fool to believe Vic's crocodile tears and Nick's intimidation, that's good, and I hope he learned from that.
I don't know why I misremembered the emails. I thought it was a proposal for Monica AND Jamie. My apologies for that error.
But yeah I agree with you Thammy. My own bias towards Chuck just makes it hard. I'm at least aware of it, thanks to you guys on here. I'm a rape and sexual harassment victim so these topics are very important to me. It's just hard seeing someone you thought was safe turn out not to be =(
Hey, don't feel this way. Unlike what is stated by some, Chuck has never implied there were no victims, or that people weren't hurt by Vic.
But maybe you should try to reach out to Chuck and share some words to make him realize (in case he hadn't already cause it's been months) that this wasn't okay and that he hurt people indirectly with his behavior. Hopefully he can use this as a chance to grow.
I do not believe that Chuck actively tried to cause harm to people. He may have been too oblivious, and naive (on top of forceful trying to get his "ideal solution" rolling), to forgive him without more information or statement, but I still don't think he's an evil man.