What?Chuck doesn't owe you an apology.
There's been a lot more private discussions, if Jamie is still friends with him, she decided Chuck was fine in this matter.
Also, keep in mind that the lawsuit turned into a total clown show because of the incompetence of Vic's lawyers. But multiple lawyers have stated that the lawsuit could have been dangerous for Monica and Jamie. Greg Doucette himself said he doesn't want to attack Ty legally until this is all over to make sure he isn't fired and they don't get a better lawyer. Now that being said, Ty and Nick have fucked this up so bad that not even the best lawyer in the world could salvage this case.
But that's not something we knew would happen at the time. Also, Monica and Jamie have been harassed constantly and this has not stopped. So when Chuck was trying to find a way out of this, it wasn't necessarily the evil move you think it is. The statement itself was complete bullshit though as it threw them under the bus. But that's why he was trying to "negotiate", that was the original Vic statement drafted by Nick. There could have been back and forth.
Reminder that
1) Chuck has not ever called Vic innocent (and the message he wanted published literally stated he hurt people)
2) Chuck publicly supported Jamie by calling her truthful and strong, when she was attacked by the fans of Vic
3) Chuck acknowledged Vic hurt people and needed to work extensively in therapy and apologize publicly
That's a strike difference from most Vic defenders.
The big mistake Chuck made was falling for Vic's crocodile tears (that he will do better, it's in the past, and it wasn't THAT bad bla bla) and Nick's intimidation (with the massive amount of shitheads supporting them and the gofundme money for legal procedures).
But like I said, that's between him, Jamie and Monica.
Yup!
Out of curiosity did anone ever have him call them on their friends phone. Because my friend who was 16 at the time and I was 25 called me at nine in the morning while she was at Anime weekend Atlanta one year on her phone during a panel with hhim.I had no idea who was calling me at the time and I remember him saying Ihad a cute or sexy voice, which at the time creeped me out because he didn't know my age.
What?
Chuck drafted a letter that didn't just 'throw the victims of Vic's sexual assault under the bus', it attempted to placate the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the me too movement by denigrating the act of coming forward. Accusations of sexual assault are not 'things getting out of hand', as that asshole, Chuck, put it. Trying to handwave the controversy and allow Vic to remain in his current positions is just as bad as squelching the message, as it neuters the entire point of any consequent action.
Because he's playing both sides - the side of the sexually assaulted victims AND the side of the decades long sexual predator with a reputation for abusive behavior - may make him better than the average internet shitposter across anime forums or twitter, but that bar is so fucking low, it's subterranean and means nothing. Socializing with an asshole like Vic who is actively pursuing legal recourse against his victims is not excused by paying the most basic of lip-service expected of anyone with a conscience. The big mistake he made was JUST ABOUT MOST of the fucking shit he did in regards to this situation.
Being better than the vitriol found on twitter is not a defensible position, it's literally the minimum effort one could put forth beyond zero. That doesn't excuse his behavior at any step of this ordeal.
Because apparently it's too hard to criticize someone you're a fan of, even if they're a victim-blaming piece of trash that literally said Monica and Jaime's coming out "did harm to victims of sexual assault by making it more difficult for them to come forward." That's full-on victim blaming, dissuades other victims from coming forward, and deserves no sympathetic consideration. Screw Chuck.
Nah, it came directly from Chuck's personal email.I think it's unfortunate that Chuck's name is at the bottom, given the possibility that he may not have actually written the statement, if, as some claim that rather it was a proposed statement from Vic's side, rather than a suggested middleground proposed by Chuck.
But it's not a good look as it stands alone.
He, as said above, owes no one an apology, or an explanation, however he should surely see the value in clearing that up properly rather than leaving such a one-sided, and IMO, horrific statement with his name attached to the bottom because without that clarification you can only draw the conclusion that the words in the statements come from the person named in the document.
He's not a professional mediator, thus he should have fucked right off instead of writing a misogynist bullshit email. If he couldn't help himself being a misogynist, he should have shut his damn mouth instead of trying to insert himself into this.Okay, here's a question. Why was Chuck involved at all?
If Chuck was asked to mediate, then playing both sides is a necessary part of the role, since he'd be trying to find a compromise that would resolve the situation without having to resort to legal means. I don't know of the circumstances that caused him to be involved, but since he talks about his "legal and ethical obligations", I wonder if Texas might have adopted a mediation requirement in order to reduce the reliance on expensive court time. It did come up earlier in the case that Texas does require the plaintiff of a defamation case to demand a retraction, so at least that far I know that measures that demand an attempt at non-litigious resolution are known to in place.
A mediator in this case would be in a hopeless position, I think, because it's hard to imagine a compromise that would be satisfying to both parties. Vic wants to continue abusing others while they're kept silent. The victims want the truth to be acknowledged and the abuse behaviour to stop. You can't have both.
Having said that, I think Chuck's proposal was particularly bad even for that. Both Vic and his victims would have to lie in a way that was in Vic's favour, and the victims would get nothing. Even if Chuck was charmed by Vic and assumed that he was a good guy underneath, Ultimately the real issue lies entirely with Vic, and even if there was a redemptive path it should focus on Vic acknowledging what he's doing and doing enough to make up for it that the victims are satisfied. That compromise would never actually happen, but neither would the one Chuck proposed, of course.
But that's only if Chuck is put into the role of mediator. If he wasn't and he was just pressuring Monica into settling on Vic's behalf, that would be a significantly different situation.
I do think Chuck should be judged for the issues he does that are actually harmful and relevant to the case, though. The flat earth thing doesn't have anything to do with Vic, and asking Funimation to donate to relevant charities while Vic foots the legal bill isn't a malicious act. I think he's acted in a way that's clearly caused harm, I just don't know for certain why he did so.
I didn't even know who Chuck Huber was at the start of this. I also never claimed that he wasn't in the wrong here. All I've been saying is that I don't know whether it's malice or incompetence - neither of which I think should be ignored - based on the information we have, which I'll stand by until I see better information.He's not a professional mediator, thus he should have fucked right off instead of writing a misogynist bullshit email. If he couldn't help himself being a misogynist, he should have shut his damn mouth instead of trying to insert himself into this.
Unreal that people in here who are explicitly KickVic are defending this asshole to the death. Are you people only an ally when it's a shitty voice actor who's doing this shit? And as soon as it's someone you like, THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY BE A BAD PERSON? Come on.
Only a misogynist could have written an email like that. Straight up. I think it's malice AND incompetence.I didn't even know who Chuck Huber was at the start of this. I also never claimed that he wasn't in the wrong here. All I've been saying is that I don't know whether it's malice or incompetence - neither of which I think should be ignored - based on the information we have, which I'll stand by until I see better information.
I keep seeingthingscontradictions like this back then when the movements started
Like I said, he's a "nice guy" misogynist--the kind that's rarely ~outwardly~ aggressive/sexist, yet harbours deeply bigoted views and prefers peace over justice when it comes to women's issues.What the hell is Chuck's deal? He made a tweet calling Jamie brave for speaking out against Vic and know he does this?
This is a perfect assessment imo.Like I said, he's a "nice guy" misogynist--the kind that's rarely ~outwardly~ aggressive/sexist, yet harbours deeply bigoted views and prefers peace over justice when it comes to women's issues.
When faced with credible allegations that his friend was a serial sexual harasser, he tried to take the "both sides" approach and silence women for trying to speak up. That alone should be evidence that he's scum.
As someone who posted about Chuck, I just want to say that I wasn't trying to defend him.
Anyone defending this guy needs to get out of this thread. You are not an ally.
...Some of the ways we have spoken out against Vic have been over the top (a.k.a. lies) and have done harm to victims of sexual assault by making it more difficult for them to come forward....
Our Zeal to protect all victims of sexual assault, moed by heightened social attention (a.k.a. MeToo) has causes us to misunderstand and misstate stories regarding Vic indicating they were akin to criminal offenses when they were inappropriate advances (towards minors but we'll ignore that...)
So many of you have reached out to us to tell your stories NOT RELATED TO VIC and we encourage you to continue
Yikes..............ooooooof........."Maybe Chuck is just ignorant/dumb/doesn't know better/is actually a nice guy"
Sounds like the defense people used in Vic as well.
I already wrote my opinion but because apparently it wasn't 100% clear let me show you what my opinion is based on.
What he wanted Vic to write:
"I'm a sex-addict. I need help. I will get help. I will not go to Conventions until i got help. I'm sorry for everybody i hurt."
What he wanted Monica and Jamie to write. (Here i'll quote and add my personal thoughts in red).
This is LITERALLY saying "We are not actual victims and to blame for the behaviour of those incel assholes surrounding people like Nick who attack victims who dare to speak out. Vic was only being friendly and everything we said about him were lies or overreactions."
This basically says. "If you have stories about Vic... shut the fuck up"
What he wanted Funimation to say:
"We reconsidered and Vic will get ALL his old roles back and while we don't plan to use him in future projects we can always discuss. We added 3 times more money to the Crowdfunding and donate it to RAINN."
The WHOLE thing basically lets Vic get away Scot-free while his victims take the fall.
And to make sure they accept this bullshit. He hammers it down by threats.
"You will be on your own. Anyone egging you on toward the suit does not have your best interest at heart nor your financial responsibility."
"If you are talking to attorneys, then legally and ethically my job is done" (How dare you talk to professionals?)
He basically tells them that they either accept his "generous offer" or they will suffer for it. They will be alone and helpless. And please remember. He is using these implications on victims of sexual assault. He's basically threatening them with an emotion they already experienced and fear.
Threatening victims, accusing them of lying and protecting a predator. The fact that he is a flatearther speaks for him, that he actually might just be an ignorant idiot. But i agree with others in here. He's a "nice guy"-Misogynist who tries to act friendly but in his core is just another piece of shit.
Nick is the guy who's been streaming Vic's lawsuit against funimation and former co-workers
SecondedI suppose since I have talked to Chuck beyond a few minutes at a signing I'm letting my own personal feelings get in the way. When it's narrowed down that way, Doctor Y, it is more than shitty. I had to take a moment and reflect because if how I feel aligns even remotely to Vic's army, I need to re-evaluate myself. I think anyone defending Chuck should also re-evaluate themselves. You can still like his work and look back fondly on any memories you have of him. But he's dead wrong on this. He definitely favored Vic over the women in that email. And now everyone knows it. He should apologize.
I am greatly disappointed in him. To be honest i felt pretty sick to my stomach when he was first named in the deposition. Maybe I was rationalizing his behavior because I didn't want to believe it.
I am sincerely hoping he apologized to Monica and Jamie considering they're still friends.
I think you guys should try to ask Jamie on twitter what she makes of the situation regarding Chuck.
She doesn't hesitate to call out hypocrites so I'm sure she would if asked and she felt like Chuck deserves it.
That'd share some light on the missing context (what did he know, did he apologize etc...).
Also just for the record, Vic's private behavior with young impressionable fans was not widespread knowledge. What was known was his public inappropriate behavior. Monica and Jamie were still friends with Vic right before the scandal regarding his public behavior broke, so they clearly did not know of Vic's atrocious actions in private. (Which includes all the horrors found in the TCPA)
I don't think we should assume Chuck knew at the time he tried to help Vic. If he did, I agree he is 100% irredeemable.
He never said the allegations did not happen, and wanted Vic to admit he hurt people. Also called Jamie truthful publicly. So it's a strike contrast with the typical Vic stans. He just foolishly thought Vic deserved a second chance because they're both Christians and I guess he believes in redemption and there was no talk of actual rape. (at least not beyond twitter chatters)
I absolutely don't agree with that, but I can understand how a guy like Chuck stepped into this mess.
That's a very bad look, regardless.
Hopefully Jamie can speak up. Her words would be extremely helpful.
Oh fuck's sake. Let me guess, it's full of ''I'm a liar'' garbage?What's worse is there is now a parody Jamie account out there.
I know I've seen a few "Tee hee! Gonna ruin some careers now..." comments from parody accounts here and there.Oh fuck's sake. Let me guess, it's full of ''I'm a liar'' garbage?
I think you guys should try to ask Jamie on twitter what she makes of the situation regarding Chuck.
She doesn't hesitate to call out hypocrites so I'm sure she would if asked and she felt like Chuck deserves it.
That'd share some light on the missing context (what did he know, did he apologize etc...).
Also just for the record, Vic's private behavior with young impressionable fans was not widespread knowledge. What was known was his public inappropriate behavior. Monica and Jamie were still friends with Vic right before the scandal regarding his public behavior broke, so they clearly did not know of Vic's atrocious actions in private. (Which includes all the horrors found in the TCPA)
I don't think we should assume Chuck knew at the time he tried to help Vic. If he did, I agree he is 100% irredeemable.
He never said the allegations did not happen, and wanted Vic to admit he hurt people. Also called Jamie truthful publicly. So it's a strike contrast with the typical Vic stans. He just foolishly thought Vic deserved a second chance because they're both Christians and I guess he believes in redemption and there was no talk of actual rape. (at least not beyond twitter chatters)
I absolutely don't agree with that, but I can understand how a guy like Chuck stepped into this mess.
That's a very bad look, regardless.
Hopefully Jamie can speak up. Her words would be extremely helpful.
isn't Jamie verified though on twitter?What's worse is there is now a parody Jamie account out there.
Even if things have smoothed over between Chuck and Jamie and Monica, (which I positively hope for and wouldn't be surprised if that's the case since he mutually follows the women on Twitter, and like you said nothing bad had been said about him) that still doesn't excuse his poor behavior in that email. He wanted to silence them and not let Vic feel the repercussions of his mistakes.
Don't get me wrong..I still would like to think Chuck meant well, he wanted both parties to be okay but as Doctor Y said that can't happen.
I've said it before that Chuck likes to see both sides of every story. He really does see redemption for everyone which is quite refreshing and uplifting. Chuck can feel like a beacon of hope if you've ever conversed with him enough. But there can be no redemption if Vic doesn't suffer the consequences of his YEARS of harassment and abuse. And Chuck can't be Devil's Advocate AND be an ally for victims. He may not be scum like Nick but he can and should be better.
And oh god. *uncomfortable Kif sounds*
I've seen him dressed as Brannigan but didn't know he played him for a fan film. His impression isn't even that good. I wouldn't be surprised if that was his idea to cast himself as Brannigan specifically.
Christ, these people are truly pathetic.I know I've seen a few "Tee hee! Gonna ruin some careers now..." comments from parody accounts here and there.
Oh fuck's sake. Let me guess, it's full of ''I'm a liar'' garbage?
No, you were right, it was meant for Monica, Jamie, and Ron. I'm just a bit bad with names so Monica's the one that I consistently remember. I think it was Monica and Jamie in the e-mail chain with Chuck.I don't know why I misremembered the emails. I thought it was a proposal for Monica AND Jamie. My apologies for that error.
But yeah I agree with you Thammy. My own bias towards Chuck just makes it hard. I'm at least aware of it, thanks to you guys on here. I'm a rape and sexual harassment victim so these topics are very important to me. It's just hard seeing someone you thought was safe turn out not to be =(