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Vic Mignogna Lawsuit |OT| Hold My Beard (Update: Appeal lost, Mignogna must pay attorney fees to defendants)
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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What isn't, pretty much. We are gonna need a reference point to elaborate.
Oh fuck. I just realized.
With Vic blatantly trying to amend his previous statements with new statements that are blatant lies to cover them up, this has finally crossed into the territory of an early game Ace Attorney case.
Hell, Nick and Beard are just two halves of an Ace Attorney name pun.
With Vic blatantly trying to amend his previous statements with new statements that are blatant lies to cover them up, this has finally crossed into the territory of an early game Ace Attorney case.
Hell, Nick and Beard are just two halves of an Ace Attorney name pun.
Oh DragonSJG my man, so much. Today alone there have been like...what...10 filings?
A sort of summary:
- The Plaintiffs withdrew their Affadavits from Saturday's filing because they were improperly notarised, ie: Beard committed fraud and tried to remove the evidence after the defense called him out on it.
- They also filed an updated amendment to the original filing for the case which is arguably not allowed this close to the hearing. We'll see.
- The defense all filed a LOT of stuff. Primarily responses to the filing from Saturday, some interesting, some just going through all the evidence and responding to its issues piece by piece.
- The biggest and arguably more important filing today as the Defense filing a joint motion to strike and also a motion to sanction against Beard for committing fraud, filing late, lying about why they filed late and all around just wasting everyone's time. It's up in the air as to whether this will stick or not but it's very very well argued.
I've missed so much, I recommend skimming the last few pages to catch up better!
Going to expand on the stuff about the filing from last week and affidavit withdrawing and such. This doesn't even capture how bad the filing was but I thiiiink I got most of this aspect of it:
1. They file on Saturday, past midnight, despite Friday being the deadline. In that filing, there are 3 affidavits. All are notarized by Beard on Friday.
2. All 3 people live hundreds of miles away from Beards' office. Beard was proven to be at his office on Friday. One of the people was proven to be hours of travel away from the office on Friday. It does not make sense to begin with that Beard had to be the notary rather than someone local to them. Opposing lawyers ask for his logs of notarizing the affidavits and get no response on that.
3. Vic's affidavit directly contradicts his deposition regarding acts towards Marchi, at the very least. So that in itself is a problem!
4. Again, this was submitted past the deadline. Beard officially claims this is due to a technical error... but the timestamp on the error page he shows was already past midnight. His explanation for this is directly lying to the judge as a result. He also continues to be unprofessional towards the opposing lawyers in e-mails throughout this, despite them still going out of their way to offer to save him from himself.
5. He goes on to withdraw the affidavits. He then resubmits them as unsworn declarations. Fwiw there was already one such declaration present, as the person making it is in Japan and was seemingly unable to have it be notarized. This change does nothing to resolve that he originally lied completely about notarizing them, which is illegal. And... is the idea that he just sorta slipped and accidentally applied his stamp to 3 different affidavits? Who can say!. Oh, and Vic is still contradicting his own deposition. Obviously past the deadline already too, so it's an awfully big assumption that this would be allowed even if it wasn't a laughable attempt to cover something up.
6. Meanwhile, Beard of course acts like this 100% resolves all of the issues with the affidavits and that it cannot reasonably be questioned by opposing lawyers as a result, and even argues that they shouldn't bring it up because with all the rules they've ~totally~ broken (which they haven't) they'd also be sanctioned. And this is said in e-mails with the opposing lawyers, to be clear, not in YouTube bragging.
7. I cannot state enough that it is just incredibly unclear to me why he felt any of these specific actions around the affidavits were necessary. Like... there's just 0 need to claim all the affidavits were on the same day if he was going to fake them to begin with? Why arbitrarily box yourself in? There was also 0 need to have all 3 of them on the last day possible, whether they're inexplicably actually notarized and you had to set a day for it, or if you're just picking a fake day? He could have at least picked a day when one of them wasn't visibly attending a convention? He also just, I dunno, could have just submitted them as unsworn declarations the first time at worst of having them notarized fell through? It is, even for this case, extremely baffling!
8. oh and this entire time: at least one of the affidavits contains statements that pretty much tanks the case even further for them! so why the fuck did you even include it, twice!
EDIT: oops tapped post by accident, not done, editing the rest...
EDIT2: done
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On some planet Ty is probably an expert lawyer....
We are not ready for Planet Percy.
Isn't it same slot, that is now just full of something else? Percy got extra time in his extension since it was earliest available. So I am just curious if they suddenly found extra time before that?
What's ironic is that I imagine many Vic stans visualize Beard as Phoenix Wright -- a legal underdog who miraculously overcomes insurmountable odds.
Hmm, looks like the original one was also set for 10 AM. So... not sure how this is being handled, huh.
Same slot. Just a lot of shit happened since.
Hopefully the judge read up on this shit a LOT because he will have his hands full.
Jamie Marchi's lawyer doesn't hold back either. If you only have time to skim through one filing, I hope the highlights below persuade you to choose hers:
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Wowza! And in only two hours? Lol
I...really?
Does BFL understand how much of an own goal that conclusion is?
The defendants' lawyers are doing a pretty good job proving they're paid to try and win the case.
I...really?
Tweeted in a mere 3min after the judge struck down the Ty's motion.
It's very very funny to watch.
That's some impressive jobbing. In Dragonball terms you'd have to look for someone like Pui Pui or some shit, where the guy is bragging about being able to handle conditions the heroes were training in two arcs and a timeskip ago.
I think that says something about the worries about a sympathetic judge that were expressed earlier, too. I imagine he's getting a little tired of having to deal with all of these poorly thought out motions.
I see that Percy is now employing the Gotti tactic.
Does BFL understand how much of an own goal that conclusion is?
The defendants' lawyers are doing a pretty good job proving they're paid to try and win the case.
These people supposedly argue for a living.
Anyway, motivated by the sheer incompetency of these fools' recent filings, I've finally done it:
Looks like Rekieta's actually (re)tweeting a few things right about now. Not about this, but related to the Vic case.
I suppose it's technically possible that he might have missed it but I'd have to imagine that the safe money is that he's chosen to ignore it, at least until he figures out how to spin it.
He's doing/done some show about fraud but I both don't want to give him a click and shirk at his voice so I'm not going to check if he acknowledges that.
I suppose it's technically possible that he might have missed it but I'd have to imagine that the safe money is that he's chosen to ignore it, at least until he figures out how to spin it.
He's doing/done some show about fraud but I both don't want to give him a click and shirk at his voice so I'm not going to check if he acknowledges that.
These people supposedly argue for a living.
Anyway, motivated by the sheer incompetency of these fools' recent filings, I've finally done it:
This is a little bit amazing.
Beard and co. are basically treating the entire case as if they were entering a debate stream against Destiny and/or Hasanabi. Like everything in how they've acted, how they've reacted, what they consider important to the case, what they actually consider to be the case itself, etc. all makes more sense under that context.
Saw a tweet where the Kiwis were losing it. I think some of them are realizing it's over.
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Dunno if this is Rekieta's explanation but I have to assume that no one who has taken even one law course would be watching his show at this point so I'm going to assume so. Rekieta's also talking about talking about Texas procedure so he might make up something based off of that.
Rich family? That's the way a lot of shitty lawyers find their way into the business.
He was always screwed. This case notwithstanding, he will never work in any significant capacity in the industry ever again.
Rekieta's defense appears to be that the notarization isn't fraudulent, which is technically likely true. One element of fraud is that a party relied on the fraud and doing so resulted in damages. The problem is that the "notarization" was so obviously fishy that nobody relied on it, though i guess one could make a case that damages were incurred in the form of billable hours. Either way I would expect to see Rekieta leaning heavy on "It's Not Fraud" and ignoring the fact that falsifying a notarization is still not an ok thing to do.
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