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[VGC] Halo Infinite developer concedes ‘the community is out of patience’
- Thread starter Jawmuncher
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Not excusing 343 because they've dropped the ball, but not all 600 of those employees are devs. Halo is huge, and spans across several pieces of media. A significant chunk of those people don't touch the games at all.
The difference being in Apex/PUBG… people really love BRs. Arena shooters have fallen to the wayside, even COD sales have plummeted since Warzone came out. You can get away with a lot less content in a BR because a lot of people just enjoy the game flow, can't say the same for a lot of people playing arena.
Look I'm fed up too but this is exactly why Halo fans get laughed at and ignored. Dogshit garbage is hyperbole to the highest degree
The content will come. I think ppl need to be a little bit more patient. It is a F2P game too so its not like ppl have sunk hundreds of dollars on it or something. So many other games to play meanwhile.
I've put in hundreds of hours in btb despite only having 3 maps, the matchmaking going to shit for months and the UI being held together by duct tape that I have to constantly restart the game. The update where they adjusted the vehicle spawning and raised the frequency for the scorpion slowly killed my drive to continue playing up until the tactical ops 3 weeks ago which finally burned me out. not sure what they were thinking with behemoth and launch site.
343 should have definitely prioritized getting a complete forge mode out alongside the game's launch.
343 should have definitely prioritized getting a complete forge mode out alongside the game's launch.
If they just tell me in this "Season One Outcomes" Blog today about them knowing that the Current Challenge System is in fact "absolute dogshit garbage"...then I will be a lot more hopeful for Halo Infinite.
The craziest thing is the fixed MCC is a great package and I don't know why they did not take any of the ideas in the current MCC and put them into infinite. The progression and challenge system not being the same is baffling to me.Adding it to the list...
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The Halo fanbase has actually been incredibly patient leading up to Infinite. Most of the fanbase were literally ASKING for a delay after the 2020 showing and people were absolutely fine with the year delay and I'm sure they'd have been fine with even more, if the end result lives up to the promises.
The developers worked hard and I have no doubt about that, but that doesn't meant that the playerbase has to automatically like the result.
edit: hell, the fans were even praising 343 for fixing up MCC after leaving it in a half assed broken state for YEARS. If that doesn't speak of patience i don't know what does
No, the matchmaking and rank system is indeed dogshit garbage.
Uh, impressions from era at launch was that this was the best Halo since like ODST. What the hell happened?
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While I don't think everything needs to be a BR, I can see why that style has really caught on.
If you get a win it feels more rewarding and if you don't, you still feel like you did something depending on where you placed and what you accomplished (Especially if you're playing with friends and can have stories to tell about the match you're just in).
With an Arena game, no one likes getting rocked 20 - 50 or busting their ass to end up losing still and getting nothing really out of it afterwards (win or lose)
The gameplay is superb. But everything around it is a mess.
Lack of content and issues cropping up in the MP (BTB got suddenly broken for a month after december's release, it's fixed now but yeah, one month... lack of maps, desync issues getting worse, challenge system sucks, etc)
The campaign still absolutely rocks, but the MP, even with the incredible gameplay, lacks in everything else
If you see any of my previous posts in the Halo thread you'll see I agree, but that doesn't not equate to the game being dogshit garbage. The core gameplay is solid, and best Halo has been in years.
Hyperbole is why the community is so embarrassing
Yeah. Once you die in BR, you try again. But in arena you have to sit there and take the beating until the game is over unless you leave early which is a dick move.
I hope they put things in place to make getting into matches faster, the amount of time it takes from booting the game to playing an MP match is what made me drop off a bit. The fact that the game still doesn't properly work with Quick Resume is really annoying for me, and crossplay means load times are stuck at original Xbox One level.
Yes and for the love of god add some per match personal xp and some career progression in the form of medals like in the MCC
GaaS is feeling more and more like a bubble market, ripe for a crash/fatigue. It's of course highly profitable but the ROI for high profile games (like licensed IP or anything with troubled extended dev time) seems to take years while frustrating fans who can move on so easily to a competitor.
Rainbow suffered the same issue and CS is an entirely different type of game.
I still don't know how Microsoft allowed their main and I imagine biggest IP to be so starved with content with absolutely zero communication for weeks on hand. 343 Industries dropped the ball hard.
The issue is specifically with arena style games which largely died out after UT/Quake. R6, CSGO, Valorant, League of Legends, DOTA2 are all games where you can get your ass kicked for 30+ minutes with nothing to show for at the end.
Halo still hangs in there as an arena shooter, but the ceiling is always going to be pretty low without some major reworks.
It still is. It's got great gameplay and brings back a lot of what originally made Halo so beloved, namely the cleaner asthetic, classic music, and most importantly the sandbox-driven rather than player-centric gameplay.
But the game really feels like the most underdeveloped Halo game of all time, and by all accounts it just may be. It seems like the game spent a lot of time spinning its wheels with a lack of vision in development, and significant technical limitations stemming from tech debt that slow down development. So basically, the game is plagued with a metric ton of small quality of life issues, and a really massive content issue. The campaign is a good example, it's clear as day that it was hacked to pieces and ended up shipping with only one biome and a giant lack of variety. The MP is simliar, and given it's a GAAS the community is a little annoyed with it. But if we look at the facts, old Halo games thrived without officially being GAAS, so it's still a fun game with a great core, but it just doesn't measure up to current expectations for F2P GAAS shooters.
seems to me you're not remembering. Destiny in its worst years had two DLCs or 3 extra seasons past launch, with raids/endgame content, crucible maps, and at least some story content, though as you note Crucible maps stopped meaningfully coming halfway thru D2 and the offering only got worse as they inexplicably kept bad maps during vaulting while introducing the godawful stasis hunter to a dying competitive/trials scene and reintroducing D1 maps that largely don't work in D2's sandbox. D1Y1 added 10 story missions, 2 nonexclusive strikes, 4 nonexclusive crucible maps, 2 endgame activities (3 if you want to count Trials). D2Y1 added 2 new locations (one was dogshit ill give that), 18 story missions, 4 nonexclusive strikes, 4 nonexclusive crucible maps, and 3 endgame activities (the two raid lairs and escalation protocol). D2Y3 was a huge stumbling block and that still offered more content with each season, as much as they started to neglect Crucible. I guess you can add D1Y2's or D1Y3's second halves as a contentless periods minus the events, but both the annual expansions added way more than the Y1 DLCs combined and the remixes of previous activities were generally well-liked in their dead periods. all of this sounds better to me than infinite's 2 maps and radio silence besides "we're having issues" and an indefinite delay for the very basic co-op and forge.
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Also not sure why people are comparing Destiny, a new IP at the time, to fucking Halo which was one of the largest IPs in its prime.
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I think with stuff like R6, CSGO, and Siege it helps that they're round-based. So if you die in a round you just wait and with how they're structured, if one person is good they can kinda pick up the slack of others. While with regular Arena, one bad teammate can really sink the team as they end up a free kill.
Can't really comment on MOBAs since I don't play those.
Okay. I don't know what you're responding to because I didn't say anything about patience specifically, nor did I say anyone has to like anything automatically. Just showing a bit of empathy towards the devs, because they sure as fuck haven't gotten much of that from the larger community since... Well, before Halo 4, probably.
I mainly stick to Big Team Battle. I lose the connection between matches like one in three times. I don't hate it, but I don't love it.
I mean, Halo Infinite did. The problem is that the support hasn't been there to maintain momentum.
If 343 Industries was consistently releasing new maps and modes, and their seasonal model wasn't shifted, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now
So as you are saying its been wait a year each time for stuff at minimum its only now into D2 they had a constant drip of content and that required a full step back by the dev team. They survived at the end of D1 on trials alone and even then it wasnt great, we just had the longest season ever of destiny which was 9 months and at least half of that had nothing new added... we even lost more content than we gained. I don't think there is anything basic about forge or co op, they could have done the Destiny way with no couch version as they did with 5 but everyone whined about that...
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Netcode sucks and they delayed the first big content update 3 months. That pretty much sums it up.
I think it'll be one of those long tail games, like Rainbow Six, where they'll turn it around in like a year or two.
But it's NUTS how much they dropped the ball. They had to delay the game after that abysmal first showing and even after a year of delay it launches feature light and with key components being delayed even more. Everything just keeps getting delayed. Season 2 getting delayed right off the bat, co-op getting delayed even more, the roadmap being delayed into oblivion. It's just nuts. They can't even fix small cosmetic glitches and have to wrap them up in the launch of season 2.
All these crazy delays are layered upon the 10 year platform promise, which makes it even more baffling. You just can't trust them to follow up with anything they promise at this point and that is the probably the thing that is killing the entire project. There is no trust in 343 in upholding any promises. I absolutely adore the game, it's fantastic. But I just kind of quit since a couple of weeks ago. I love playing competitive in the game and honing my skills, but I just realized that it's not guaranteed anymore that putting the time in the game to get better will be worth it. I've got little trust at this point there will be a steady flow of quality updates, there is no guarantee that there will be a healthy community once they finally get their shit in order, there is even little faith in the fact that they'll ever get their act together.
But it's NUTS how much they dropped the ball. They had to delay the game after that abysmal first showing and even after a year of delay it launches feature light and with key components being delayed even more. Everything just keeps getting delayed. Season 2 getting delayed right off the bat, co-op getting delayed even more, the roadmap being delayed into oblivion. It's just nuts. They can't even fix small cosmetic glitches and have to wrap them up in the launch of season 2.
All these crazy delays are layered upon the 10 year platform promise, which makes it even more baffling. You just can't trust them to follow up with anything they promise at this point and that is the probably the thing that is killing the entire project. There is no trust in 343 in upholding any promises. I absolutely adore the game, it's fantastic. But I just kind of quit since a couple of weeks ago. I love playing competitive in the game and honing my skills, but I just realized that it's not guaranteed anymore that putting the time in the game to get better will be worth it. I've got little trust at this point there will be a steady flow of quality updates, there is no guarantee that there will be a healthy community once they finally get their shit in order, there is even little faith in the fact that they'll ever get their act together.
Yesh they planned a live service game without the infanstructure to support it properly and now they have to hire even more staff while the project had a lot of turnover with the standard 18 month contractors constantly shifting though. And yeah tbh the game is dry as dirt right now, I'm just not having fun anymore.
I don't think a single GAAS platform game launched in a good state, correct me if I'm wrong.
Fortnite, Apex, Warzone, Pubg, Destiny, and heck, Destiny 2, all released in a rough state and needed some time to get the ball rolling.
I'm okay with giving 343 that time.
Fortnite, Apex, Warzone, Pubg, Destiny, and heck, Destiny 2, all released in a rough state and needed some time to get the ball rolling.
I'm okay with giving 343 that time.
Microsoft policy (relying on contractors) and leadership for biting off more than they could chew. I don't have any doubt that the developers at 343 are great, but they're probably given some bullshit expectation that they can't meet and also aren't properly supported with a general, cohesive goal.
BRs are a lot more fun to casuals nowadays than arena shooters. You can get away with a lot less content in BRs than you can in arena where people are doing the same thing over and over again. So I would scratch the first four off, because I don't think those needed that much content to really explode, the content has just kept them going for years. Destiny was a new IP, Destiny 2 was also pushed by Activision... Bungie didn't want to make a sequel. Not sure why we're comparing new IPs with Halo. It's depressing how far Halo has fallen.
Putting all other concerns aside, the online Halo community is absolutely toxic. Heck, I'd argue it's one of the most hostile online communities out there.
343i can be lacking and the community can be unreasonable too. i've seen people being offended that they made a slight joke because of the unaligned helmet that was a reward in an event or harrassing a dev that liked a tweet about how elden ring was losing it's playerbase because of the lack of updates (which was, obviously, a joke ). and that's the light stuff. how is that not unreasonable? people need to stop being weird.
well to be fair i started the comparison in favor of Destiny, and people bit into my post..