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VG24/7:Epic rewrite I/O subsystem with PS5 SSD in mind
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Not really but there engines will be tailored for a single platform instead of multiple
No .
It's just 3rd party devs don't change gameplay and world design base on system specs when they have to make games for so many systems .
You can find one of two eg but most of the time it don't happen .
Well, makes sense that a multiplatform engine is tailored to exploit certain features unique to certain platforms, especially if those platforms are relevant enough
If not would be a very low effort multiplatform engine.
I guess if people expect hardware with more ram or TF to perform better on certain areas, then hw with better audio or I/O capabilities also perform better where it's due.
Some people seem that they don't want that to happen.(the ssd part at least)
If not would be a very low effort multiplatform engine.
I guess if people expect hardware with more ram or TF to perform better on certain areas, then hw with better audio or I/O capabilities also perform better where it's due.
Some people seem that they don't want that to happen.(the ssd part at least)
I guess this is when we find out what happens when you have that level of speed. The end of the UE5 demo shows why you might need that, streaming tons of detailed assets as you fly through the landscape. I'm excited to see what developers will do with this shift. What you're saying sounds like what we hear usually when big shifts happen, people unable to imagine what it might mean and perhaps dismissing it as being unnecessary and being excessive, but then I bet there will be games in the next few years that will rely on that speed and it will be patently obvious why when we see it. Cannot wait for that day. Maybe Horizon 2 will be the game.
Neat! Will be interesting to see what impact it has. Digital Foundry videos should be super interesting next gen.
I wonder if that I/O complex, combined with the advanced CPU (and GPU), would impact other data, other than geometry and textures, that is. Would it allow for more varied NPCs, animation systems...? That stuff is more exciting, imo.
I'm only for the medium being pushed if it's my platform of choice doing it. Otherwise, my console too!
This too.
And definitely this. I guess if UE5 was demoed on PC with an SSD as fast as the PS5, it wouldn't be an issue.....
Yes, the future of gaming. Perspective, folks.
People screaming marketing...why? Is this in any way a lie or weird thing to say?
I don't think we've ever had developers designing games specifically "tailored" for a hardware like the PS5? I know some PC games have SSDs in mind but they aren't created exclusively with them in mind, specially at the level that the PS5 one is.
Am i missing something?
What they said totally makes sense.
PS5 so fast its TOO FAST. Extreme stuff.
On serious note good to see optimizations for Platform.
On serious note good to see optimizations for Platform.
I'm envisaging a situation where the net asset set on screen is some function - procedural or artist crafted - of data that now can be pulled from across the game's entire installed 'database', rather than the relatively small parts of that set that were accessible in a given window of time as before. So more about how often the data changes than how actually unique it is across the entire game.
I think out of that you will have clever re-use of data that allows scenes to be very rich, without requiring a linear growth to the database size. I think that'll be an active area of developer exploration.
Though I doubt the UE5 demo was necessarily particularly efficient about the net size of the demo, I would say - as 'rich' as it was, there was a fair degree of asset recycling there already. But to have the freedom to pull assets from 'wherever' in the database, to be able to do that freely without care for what's warm in RAM or prefetch patterns, and to maintain high asset quality, you'll need the decent bandwidth new storage provides.
uhum. Sony did BRILLIANT job with making an elephant from an ant.
Yeah, I mean, people are already complaining about install sizes for games. I really don't even understand the "need" to load so much data so quickly and frequently in most cases. The fact that you CAN load more than 5 GB of data within a second doesn't mean that you'll ever realistically need to, and I shudder to think of how large games will need to be in order to facilitate that level of data streaming very often.
I love the idea of what SSDs CAN do for games, but I'm not banking on very single game making proper use of them, and I especially don't expect multiplatform games to rely too heavily on the fastest SSD possible or the most powerful GPU possible. You'll get slightly better loading times on PlayStation 5 in many (if not most) cases, I'm sure, but I still need to see an example of an actual game that's roughly the same size as the average AAA game right now that has a real need to stream data so quickly. I know level design will improve in the sense that we won't have to climb or squeeze through tight spaces as a means of compensating for slower drivers. (That was one of the funniest aspects of the demo to me, as if we really needed to see another climbing sequence.)
I'm already impressed with that Playground Games has pulled off in terms of asset streaming in the Forza Horizon games, and those are games in which you're sometimes moving at 200-300 mph. Sure, there are some decent-length loading times between races and whatnot, but still...what else could SSDs possibly enable during actual game play that isn't just designed around acting as a tech demo for the SSD?
they dont need to have multples of assets. everything in the games are copies of assets, so all the code does is fill in what ever asset, or texture in a space to create shit like rocks, or a building etc. games this gen actually may be way smaller than people think.
and its not a stretch this will be the case PCs and even revisions of other consoles need to also accommodate upping the speed.
Digital Foundry comment sections though ...
Or threads here on ERA. It's gonna be insufferable and there's going to be so much gloating and so many meltdowns, whatever side "wins"
people really need their box to "win" huh? Did it ever occur to folks that both consoles will have strengths and weaknesses? The series x is undeniably more powerful than the ps5 in terms of gpu and cpu, but the ssd advantage of the ps5 might allow for some features in first party releases that would be be worse on the series x. Both consoles have bottlenecks in different areas. I dont think any one box is going to straight up "win" this battle like the ps4 beat the xbox one or the xbox one x beat the ps4 pro. I think were going to be looking at something closer to the checks and balances between the xbox 360 and ps3.
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Yup. The 485 statues in the same room when we only saw 5, 10 to me screamed overkill.
But if you step back and think about it, it way just showing what's possible, that's all.
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies...
Jokes aside, I'm curious to see the engine's scalability with I/O speed. It's also great to know that a lot of 3rd parties will have the benefits of I/O naturally (even if Cerny already said so) so people can be less concerned.
Jokes aside, I'm curious to see the engine's scalability with I/O speed. It's also great to know that a lot of 3rd parties will have the benefits of I/O naturally (even if Cerny already said so) so people can be less concerned.
It's the Year of Our Lord 2020 Anno Domini and people over here buying into Power of the Cell hype lmao
I've been around forever heh. This just never ceases to amaze me.
Sony opened the "warchest".
They are buying everyone and everything to their right and left to stay floating above sea level.
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This where Sony has been distributing that marketing money. Accounts for the drip feed up until now!
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If it exists, utterly nothing is known. Could be exactly the same as Series X in terms of I/O and SSD speed, just less CUt for the GPU side. Nobody knows.
Because they're all paid off!!
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I love that a large portion of this forum just cannot accept anything positive being said about PS5.
This is marketing really. People in the know-know understand that it's actually a teraflop which can speed up loading. Graphics are made by the teraflops in a processor. They all work together to load a little bit of the graphics, like little GPU-ants really, all carrying a part of the graphic from the hard drive to the HDMI and then to the display.
So don't believe actual developers, but rather trust the people in the know-know.
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It makes sense that UE5 is optimized for PS5; they want all the big companies to use it to the fullest. For Xbox they will also have optimizations, just as for Nintendo and PC.
So don't believe actual developers, but rather trust the people in the know-know.
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It makes sense that UE5 is optimized for PS5; they want all the big companies to use it to the fullest. For Xbox they will also have optimizations, just as for Nintendo and PC.
Some Bloodborne speedruns are done on patch 1.0 in order to use glitches they later patched out, which had 35 second load times
The Bloodborne WR is about to be cut in half with this tech.
You heard it here first folks.
Just an ant, nothing to see here.
So we've gone from 'Only first party games, though,' to 'Epic lying,' and now 'Sony bigging up numbers'. Fully expecting accusations of money hats if multiplat devs find a way of making noticeable use of it.
If UE5 is being built around it, then there won't be a restriction on what developers do with it. I guess its just down to dev skill at that point to use it the best.
Baffled by all the "it's marketing" responses. What do people think is being marketed exactly? Does Epic sell Unreal Engine to game developers through interviews with VG247? Lol
My understanding is that development costs will be significantly reduced in some areas, such as not needing to spend hundreds of man-hours fiddling with art assets and Level of Detail issues. Whether that turns out to make up for the added costs in other areas is anyone's guess.