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I thought you're not allowed to say "devs are lazy" on this website or do we pick which devs get a pass on this website?
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VG Tech: 'Pikmin 3 Deluxe' Demo Analysis (Locked 30fps, 720p/576p)
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The people in here with the snark, grow up lol some people care about this stuff. It's great if you don't care but there are those that do. It's okay for Nintendo's customers to expect more from the technical quality of their software output, especially at the prices they're charging for relatively basic ports of 6-7 year old games and the target hardware is more than capable.
I assume every time a Wii U port has lower resolution in handheld mode it's so they can extend battery life.
Appears so. There's nothing wrong with criticism, but don't call developers lazy because it didn't live up to your standards. The devs are not lazy. They all wake up and go hard at work to put these products out for the publishers.
They're not lazy, but that doesn't mean that they're actually good at their job and Pikmin 3 Deluxe is yet another example of that.
I think some of you guys underestimate the technical complexity behind Pikmin games. Especially now that they have added split screen coop to the main story mode. I'm sure sacrifices were likely made to get a consistent frame rate.
Also, with these wii u ports/deluxe editions, I think we have seen that they are mostly used to fill in the gaps while Nintendo's main development teams work on new stuff and perhaps also to make up for the fact that these games didn't reach so many people due to the wii U's low numbers. You can make of that what you will
Also, with these wii u ports/deluxe editions, I think we have seen that they are mostly used to fill in the gaps while Nintendo's main development teams work on new stuff and perhaps also to make up for the fact that these games didn't reach so many people due to the wii U's low numbers. You can make of that what you will
How exactly do you know what happened? I don't know how dev of this game went either.
Get out of here with this lazy dev rhetoric, you think it's just Shigeru and his goons sat smoking pot clicking the "convert to switch" button and not doing anything else?
It can come down to budget/time constraints or technical constraints (ESRAM in the Wii U seems to have affected some conversions like Bayo on Switch due to low memory bandwidth). They clearly worked on split screen co-op and it looks to be a solid job.
I wonder if the Switch's weak CPU is holding the resolution back? So many characters on screen at once might be a challenge for it.
Not a deal breaker for me, but disappointing nonetheless considering this is one game that would absolutely benefit from the increased resolution.
Not a deal breaker for me, but disappointing nonetheless considering this is one game that would absolutely benefit from the increased resolution.
Being disappointed with a corporation's porting efforts is not the same as calling the actual developers lazy. I don't think the devs are lazy, but on the other hand I think Nintendo could have put more budget/effort behind the port.
Well, that's incredibly rude. They've made a bunch of very welcome changes to pikmin 3 that are obvious even just from the demo, and I'm sorry it doesn't do it for you because it didn't make some numbers go up.
I just downloaded the Switch demo and it looks AWFUL on my Bravia 4K!
It looks extremely foggy, and I'm actually thinking about never again plugging my old WIIU to this TV.
Shame, because the game itself is great.
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And I think people with low standards shouldn't tell people how to feel but here we are.
I downloaded the demo and the title screen looked so good in handheld. My wife and son enjoyed it, so I preordered the game.
If "low standards" means I get to actually enjoying playing video games instead of arguing about pointless numbers on the internet, then I'd rather be the one actually happy and enjoying things.
The Handheld mode resolution is higher than the WiiU gamepad resolution.
What is embarrassing about asking for what was promised and not wanting a full price port of exact the same game of 7 years ago which was 20 euro?
Defending this kind of practice is embarrassing and should not be promoted. It's bad for the industry, but even more bad for consumers. Like you and me.
Don't forget that people need to pay full price for this game.
I wouldn't call the devs lazy as that's just unnecessary but this is a very underwhelming package all the same.
No technical upgrade at all and you just get some extra side missions and split screen coop plus already complete DLC. It's not as much new content as you are framing it.
Those resolutions make a lot of sense now, the demo was... not good to look at, especially on a 4K TV.
They NEED to? As in I can't use coupons or wait a while and get it cheaper?
This is wildly obnoxious. You don't know the first thing about the constraints the developers had to work with when putting this port together. You don't know how much time they were given, how much budget, how many developers or what the priorities they were given were. Come the fuck on, this is dumb as fuck.
I was under the impression that there were a lot of new side missions, and those had new characters (at least one) and new cutscenes and story content. Maybe it's not as much as I thought?
Nobody needs or must. Don't put things in my mouth I didn't say.
Releasing the exact same game with very small additions7 years later full price should never be promoted or defended, or do you think it's great practice?
Even as a develop of big remakes/remasters I would be sad that this low effort gets this much attention. As a consumer I'm absolutely not happy with the pricepoint. I am happy with having old old old games on modern platforms though.
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But you do know, right?
Oh right, we don't know, so it could be right or not. Bit does it matter?
Publishers aka Nintendo decides in what state they want to release their product and we as consumer buy products. This product seems like a lazy effort for the price. Especially compared to other remasters or remakes currently available.
Are people really assuming the game is at the resolution it is because of ineptitude on Nintendo's part? I try not to make judgements on this with zero game dev knowledge. Is it entirely possible there's a hardware limitation that is resulting in this output?
I used to be against the idea of a Switch Pro but honestly if the Switch is holding back Wii U ports then maybe a Switch Pro really does need to happen.
I used to be against the idea of a Switch Pro but honestly if the Switch is holding back Wii U ports then maybe a Switch Pro really does need to happen.
You said need. It's in your post. And you're contradicting yourself and minimizing what was added to the game for no reason. None of this is a big deal. They can release the game just like this and it's entirely fine because people can wait until it hits a price point they like. It isn't difficult. It isn't bootlicking, it isn't some defense force bullshit like this forum leaps at with every chance it gets.
I'm also not going to sit there and slag them as being lazy or idiots or bad at their job or unacceptable or whatever in the middle of a pandemic like some asshole as other people are doing around here. If this is the budget and time they had to spend on the game, then so be it. People can be smart consumers instead of children and wait for a price drop.
If budget was the deciding factor, maybe they shouldn't release it fullprice but for the 20 euro it was on wiiu? Indies have low budget and won't release their games full price. If it's budget, that would make Nintendo even more Wario.
Also a forum is here for discussing things, that means different views. Stop using words like moron, oke? Thank you.
It did in 2014 on WiiU. But those textures in 2020 in a full price game with a big IP? Ugh...
I obviously don't know. That's the whole fucking point of not jumping to calling people lazy in the first place? Or are you confused on what the word lazy means?
You're free to criticize the product delivered for not meeting your standards for purchase. Saying the people that worked on this product are not good at their job is bullshit however and you're a fucking clown if you say that or defend people saying it.
I mean you can simple not buy it, not like Nintendo is forcing you, also what was promised? A port of Pikmin 3 that has extra contents, don't see how they lied
I said that the product seems lazy and that still stands in current market.
Nothing about the developers. I'm a developer myself, but Nintendo shouldn't have put this port on the market for 60 dollars. Consumers will compare to other full price products on the market and that comparison alone makes this product look like a lazy effort.
Nintendo was and is the lazy one here. They made the choices, not me, not you, not the developers.
I will not buy it, but I wanted to share why I won't buy it. A discussionforum seemed like a good place to share why...
they didn't lie. They just announced Pikmin 4 in 2014, which sounded more interesting than this port.
Was my original post talking to you? Pretty sure it was addressing someone calling the developers bad at their jobs which you then jumped in and with "Do YoU kNoW wHaT tHeY hAd To WoRk WiTh!!1" which is going to be taken as a defense of that post.
Nintendo can put the shit on the market for whatever the fuck they want. It's a business. They aren't here to care about meaningless comparisons to other products on the market made by people on a forum who complain about everything anyway. We can complain about it, state our opinions and choose not to buy it. That's why this thread exists. The product aint up to my standard so I am not spending $60 on it. I have the WiiU version I bought for $20 which I will play instead.
Doesn't excuse all the lazy developers/developers suck at their job shit in this thread. That's what I was addressing. Just read along next time instead of trying to get in your unrelated point in a post that has nothing to do with it.
