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Vestaria Saga (PC Strategy RPG by Fire Emblem creator) coming to the West in 2019
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The blood split was pretty bad. To be honest, from what I understood there was actually a power struggle between him and Narihiro (the director of FE6 and pretty much the one who controls the Fire Emblem ip now and Kaga was forced out). The other night thing is he took Hirota with him, so they did go after him very hard.
His indie game was free and very much a fun project and nothing else.
Nah, this is not true for Xenosaga. Xenosaga was without a doubt written, designed, announced, and marketed as the true reboot of the Xenogears saga. Not only did the story and timeline share too many similarities with Perfect Works, but actual character designs from Xenogears appeared in Xenosaga, some with the same name. It's no coincidence, and the announcement trailer for Xenosaga contained scenes which leaned heavily on these character references - which shows the intent all the more because many of these scenes didn't make it into Episode 1, and were reworked into Episode 2 and Episode 3 instead. Yet that was the stuff they wanted fans to see first and to get excited about. The battle system in Xenosaga is also clearly an evolution of Xenogears', and so was the exploration maps where you swapped between human and mecha to solve puzzles and to hit switches.
The difference? Monolithsoft did all this without there being any bad blood with Squaresoft, since Squaresoft wasn't interested in making sequels or prequels to Xenogears. So they weren't seen as in competition. Takahashi and his team left the company to make what they wanted to make when Squaresoft didn't want to fund more of the franchise, and it was understood that their creative drive was more important to them than being a petty corporate company. That's really rare.
Actually the Last Story did quite well if i am not mistaken. It is considered the most successful Xseed title at that time.
Do you have any source? First time I've heard about the fight with FE6 director (was that during FE6 development as FE64?).
Not a written source perse but It's been mentioned to me by a friend of mine who I trust.
Narihiro does allude to it a bit in the 25th anniversary discussion of FE, but doesn't outright confirm it (specifically mentioning how Fe4 was very hard to develop). There is a translated article of that one floating around.
Narihiro is iirc the founder of Intelligent Systems, but I don't think he's the current president.
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Finally got around to playing this demo, and honestly I'm a bit blown away.
Maybe it's because I only ever got to play two Fire Emblem games: Rekka no Ken and Awakening, but the Vestaria Saga hints at something way more complex than what I've seen before, in terms of story and possibly gameplay. The way the characters are set up makes it feel like a legit medieval intrigue drama. The gameplay seems like classic Fire Emblem, complete with the little story events in the middle of missions and everything. I'm probably not gonna be that good at the full game though. I never even finished Rekka no Ken because I kept trying to keep everyone alive.
This feels like a pretty huge contrast from FE Awakening and what I've seen of the other two main 3DS FE games. I like that they added casual mode but I've never really been behind the change in tone and character designs.
Maybe it's because I only ever got to play two Fire Emblem games: Rekka no Ken and Awakening, but the Vestaria Saga hints at something way more complex than what I've seen before, in terms of story and possibly gameplay. The way the characters are set up makes it feel like a legit medieval intrigue drama. The gameplay seems like classic Fire Emblem, complete with the little story events in the middle of missions and everything. I'm probably not gonna be that good at the full game though. I never even finished Rekka no Ken because I kept trying to keep everyone alive.
This feels like a pretty huge contrast from FE Awakening and what I've seen of the other two main 3DS FE games. I like that they added casual mode but I've never really been behind the change in tone and character designs.
Pretty sure the demo has controller support, I played it with one.
Cannot wait for this.
This looks like they're just playing the demo. Thought it was some new info :-(
This is an old conversation, I realize, but yeah, there was some intensely bad blood. Bad enough that Kaga was already in the process of forming his own external studio before he even resigned from Intelligent Systems. It did not help Kaga's case after the fact at all, of course, that his first game upon leaving IS was a blatant FE clone for the PlayStation that in early drafts was supposedly going to directly connect to established FE lore.
EDIT: As far as Vestaria Saga is concerned, as far as I'm aware, work still hasn't started on either Vestaria Saga Part II or the first side game. Am I mistaken?
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It's a game that was released for free in Japan made in SRPG Studio. And regardless of the ease of porting it (or not), I think the last thing that Kaga would ever want for Vestaria Saga is for it to put him back in Nintendo and Intelligent Systems's crosshairs. It's a passion project for him that he's doing because he wants to, not for the purpose of releasing it as a commercial product.
afaik TLS didnt underperform in the U.S, no idea about japan tho which probably mattered more at the time.
I would think Ninty probably dont care much again such small release there when their 3H is coming soon.
But who knows kek. Some old grumpy guys can hold grudge there.
I just wanted to play the game in english without the being attached on ma laptop kek. Also pliz do some balance as i remember getting stuck halfway of the game due to it being too hard.
There's a deep, ugly legal history between Nintendo/IS and Kaga. Nintendo/IS intially sued the publisher of Kaga's TearRing Saga for it being an infringement of copyright, and the whole affair stretched on for years to the point that by the time the appeals process ended and Nintendo was awarded a settlement, TearRing Saga 2 was about to release (with a ton of structural differences to differentiate it from Fire Emblem as much as possible while remaining an SRPG of a similar nature). And when an official book on Fire Emblem was released for the 25th anniversary of the franchise, Kaga went completely unmentioned despite being the franchise's creator and creative lead for so many years.
Maybe things have cooled, to a point, but I don't think Kaga wants to go about poking the sleeping dragon.
XSEED has actually said that at the time, The Last Story was the most successful game they ever published in North America. I'm sure it helped them that NOE had already done the localization work, but that's how it worked out for them.
Yeah probably it goes really bad blood split there. But isnt Tearing Saga case is different from Vestaria here?
Vestaria dont have any lore that come from FE at all right? While Tearing literally started by using FE lore kek.
Vestaria Saga was released for free. It's not a commercial product. There's no financial stake in it for Kaga, so there's nothing for Nintendo or IS to even theoretically get angry about regardless of any lore or design similarities. But doing anything to turn it into a commercial product that would benefit him would likely make heads turn real quick. If anyone were to port it to console, Kaga would probably need to absolve himself of any connection to the game just for it to pass Nintendo's licensee approval process.
Such sad fate to happen to Kaga. While i dont like FE4 for its map design, i still believe FE4 shows how a great story and lore can be build for FE series and that is his golden boy.
To think he end up into his current state now is sad.
It really was a dark career turn for him. And all of the drama sparked just a few years before Fire Emblem finally saw international recognition and release. Though, if Kaga were still makin FE games at the time, the first game that would have theoretically seen an official localization would have been vastly different.
Not that Vestaria would come to consoles — there are probably bigger difficulties with that prospect, unfortunately — but this seems like a bit of a stretch, especially given that he's already using an abbreviated pseudonym.
Kaga and that infamous legal battle were in an entirely different era of Nintendo. I find it difficult to believe they would bat the slightest eyelash at this modest independent project of his.
Considering how "The Making of Fire Emblem", among its numerous other faults, does its damnedest to avoid crediting Kaga's contribution to founding the series (regardless of how one feels about the individual games), I wouldn't bet on Vestaria hitting the Switch. If we know what he's been up to, Nintendo execs almost certainly do.
Yeah, just because there's been a changing of the guard at Nintendo over the years doesn't mean that the decision-makers there would welcome a Kaga game to the Switch. There's enough evidence that the bad blood is still present.
I wouldn't bet on it hitting Switch for a multitude of other more concrete reasons, chiefly technical and financial.
Reading tea leaves from afar about personal feuds and relationships is a murky and unreliable business. We've no way of knowing where things stand now, or what Nintendo would allow, except to note that they would and do (enthusiastically) allow small independent projects with distinct similarities to their own larger franchises on Switch.
So I just pulled this from the Fire Emblem fandom Wiki. Source: https://fireemblem.fandom.com/wiki/Shouzou_Kaga
Specifically the last paragraph, how true is that? Seems like he definitely wants to make a series out of this Vestaria Saga. Will it all be free?
And honestly for the worse.
Fire Emblem is basically good despite Kaga's influence because we saw what he was like without Nintendo keeping him reigned in and the resulting game TearRing Saga is a trainwreck.
TearRing Saga is a game where the mechanically optimal choice to to get a character kisnapped into sex slavery, and then rerecruit her as dancer later. It's a game with frankly busted mechanics like units that are basically useless because they have crappy stats and horrible growths and then other units that are stupid overpowered, terrible pacing, dumb traps that can take away units without warning, and generally unfair and unfun stage design. Oh and this undercurrent of creepiness. (Kaga's incest obsession knows no bounds)
That looks a lot like Fire Emblem. Sorry but I'd rather play a real Fire Emblem game.
What does this game do to differentiate itself?
What does this game do to differentiate itself?
I didn't play that one because it didn't have a fan translation.
What former employees when Kaga never worked at Nintendo, only on IS which is an independent company? And Nintendo only will do that if it's a similar case like his other game.
FE after Kaga moves seems too move to more less complex but more casual friendly both in story and gameplay. If Kaga still hold strong on IS, it probably wont had its awakening there.
Looking at the Fire Emblem wiki I found a "Notable Differences from Fire Emblem" section about Tear Ring Saga's sequel Berwick Saga.
It's not so much that it differentiates itself, it's a game made by the original creator of Fire Emblem.
Perhaps the success of this English Steam release might determine in what form this series continues since it's the first time this game will be monetised. (I wonder what the localisation/publishing deal is like; one would assume Kaga would draw something from it).
Who knows, if it manages to take off, perhaps it won't just remain a small, 'fan' effort.
You get bonus hipster points for claiming that the series was better under Kaga (it wasn't, Kaga Emblem is peak "different, not better") if you play this.
That's some hardcore realism. The only thing I don't particularly like is the probability of weapons/shields breaking. Why is that a chance? That'd be another headache to worry about than just whether a unit will crit at 1% or something.
Release date? :-P
Most of this ranges from 'okay' to 'oh this is cool'. I like the hub where you can do requests and such a lot. However
- Most weapons and shields break based on a probability instead of having a static number of uses.
Oh, I wish I had one to give you. Because of the nature of the engine the game uses, localization, controller support, and other QOL additions we're making are proving to be a herculean task. That's pretty much why it's taking so long.
Uh why? What's a real Fire Emblem? Why does it matter if it's a real Fire Emblem or not? Why not judge the game by its own merits? If the game is good, why worry if it's too similar to Fire Emblem?
From the very start of the Vestaria Saga project, when Kaga announced it on his blog, the intention was to make a main story consisting of three games. I can't remember if the side-games were initially in the scope of what he wanted to do or if the ideas for those came later.
Really not liking the graphics on this. My main issue with the before FE6 games is the graphics and art just being really archaic or stunted looking.
If this looked like the majesty of animation that was the GBA FE games I'd buy it in a heartbeat
If this looked like the majesty of animation that was the GBA FE games I'd buy it in a heartbeat