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Jawmuncher

Crisis Dino
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm kinda whatever about the name. People seem to know Apple Iphone names pretty well and that to me is more confusing when it gets off the numbered ones.
 

dom

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's no point in losing a lot of money on the S when they could have just done the same with X. Anyone expecting less than 299 is fooling themselves.
 

Quinton

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Midgar, With Love
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Jan 4, 2018
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I like the name and the color.

Can't wait to know the price.

300$ would mean All Access at 25$, it would be amazing and so cheap.
 
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Gamer @ Heart

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Oct 26, 2017
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MS is waiting for Sony to announce price before they announce Series S publicly. That is their Ace in the hole and it seems Sony knows this.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sony waits it out and MS is forced to spit out their best offer, then Sony adjusts their price to ensure MS is stuck with the luxury model and the weaker one either isn't winning in price or value judgment won't be worth the reduced specs.

If anyone still thinks Lockhart/Series S isn't a lock, then let this dissuade any doubts - MS is waiting on the announce to try and sandwich Sony into a difficult spot.

You don't just cut hundreds of dollars off a machine like that on a whim. Sony isn't going to willingly lose billions coming from the strength of mindshare they are off this gen to compete with what Microsoft is doing. Something like the Series S was designed from the ground up to come in at a door buster price, and that includes maybe not even coming with a controller, all the way to the millions of dollars in R&D Microsoft spent developing the software tos to make sure Series X/S games can run on 2 hardware setups with minimal effort by devs.
 

kubev

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's no point in losing a lot of money on the S when they could have just done the same with X. Anyone expecting less than 299 is fooling themselves.
If it's a digital-only console, then the point to losing money would be to lock people buying the Xbox Series S into purchasing games from the Xbox Store or subscribing to Game Pass. People purchasing Xbox Series S would have no way of cutting Microsoft out of sales by purchasing used games.
 

bing

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Apr 27, 2020
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I would say, now that both console names have been revealed from both platform holders, I prefer Sony's naming scheme: PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 5 All Digital Edition vs Microsoft's Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

Sony makes it clear that both versions are the same generation and both have the same power. With Microsoft's consoles, that isn't necessarily the case, the Series S doesn't necessarily scream out "less powerful." The mainstream consumer is going to be confused when they see both the Series X and Series S on digital shelves come this holiday. This won't be the case with Sony's more streamlined SKU lineup.

I guess, what I am trying to say is they Sony has the better branding and cleaner lineup.

Thoughts?
I don't really think people will care so long as they get to play the games
 

get2sammyb

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Oct 27, 2017
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I haven't really been following this as closely as I should. This "low end" console will need to ship with many of the same components as the Xbox Series X, right? For example, it'll need the same SSD in it?

I saw some people estimating it'll cost $200 in this thread, but that's utterly insane, isn't it?
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
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I guess that also confirms the Series S console is likely white like the One S.
 

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Sony makes it clear that both versions are the same generation and both have the same power. With Microsoft's consoles, that isn't necessarily the case, the Series S doesn't necessarily scream out "less powerful." The mainstream consumer is going to be confused when they see both the Series X and Series S on digital shelves come this holiday. This won't be the case with Sony's more streamlined SKU lineup.

The fact that one console will be larger and $200 USD more will quell any confusion.
 

dom

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Oct 25, 2017
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If it's a digital-only console, then the point to losing money would be to lock people buying the Xbox Series S into purchasing games from the Xbox Store or subscribing to Game Pass. People purchasing Xbox Series S would have no way of cutting Microsoft out of sales by purchasing used games.
They still will lose some money at 299. I'm talking about big losses.
 

Axel Stone

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Jan 10, 2020
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I would say, now that both console names have been revealed from both platform holders, I prefer Sony's naming scheme: PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 5 All Digital Edition vs Microsoft's Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

Sony makes it clear that both versions are the same generation and both have the same power. With Microsoft's consoles, that isn't necessarily the case, the Series S doesn't necessarily scream out "less powerful." The mainstream consumer is going to be confused when they see both the Series X and Series S on digital shelves come this holiday. This won't be the case with Sony's more streamlined SKU lineup.

I guess, what I am trying to say is they Sony has the better branding and cleaner lineup.

Thoughts?

Doesn't seem to have been an issue with the One S/X, no particular reason to think it will suddenly become a problem.

This does actually give the impression of being sold separately, as if the Series S might actually not come with a controller.

There have been rumours for a while that they were going to start selling the controllers early, I wouldn't read too much into this.
 

canderous

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Jun 12, 2020
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I haven't really been following this as closely as I should. This "low end" console will need to ship with many of the same components as the Xbox Series X, right? For example, it'll need the same SSD in it?

I saw some people estimating it'll cost $200 in this thread, but that's utterly insane, isn't it?

Same CPU, lower spec GPU targeting 1080p/1440p, 10GB ram, same SSD but possibly 500GB instead of 1TB, no disc drive. Those are the rumors.
 

RedHeat

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would say, now that both console names have been revealed from both platform holders, I prefer Sony's naming scheme: PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 5 All Digital Edition vs Microsoft's Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

Sony makes it clear that both versions are the same generation and both have the same power. With Microsoft's consoles, that isn't necessarily the case, the Series S doesn't necessarily scream out "less powerful." The mainstream consumer is going to be confused when they see both the Series X and Series S on digital shelves come this holiday. This won't be the case with Sony's more streamlined SKU lineup.

I guess, what I am trying to say is they Sony has the better branding and cleaner lineup.

Thoughts?
Kinda get where you're coming from. Sony's naming scheme shows that both SKU's are the same console but one's a completely digital, but MS' decided to go with "Series" to imply there's an ecosystem of consoles so each one in the 'series' is different which isn't that confusing IMO. But I wish they went with a different naming scheme than just a single letter.

The real test of their branding is when there'll inevitably be 4-5 next-gen Xbox's on the market at the same time.
 

bing

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I haven't really been following this as closely as I should. This "low end" console will need to ship with many of the same components as the Xbox Series X, right? For example, it'll need the same SSD in it?

I saw some people estimating it'll cost $200 in this thread, but that's utterly insane, isn't it?
It will have the same SSD, CPU, and system architecture. The only different thing is a 4 tflop RDNA2 gpu, which is good enough for 1440p/1080p gaming. Various insiders have been saying that Microsoft is willing to eat a lot of the cost on this, so $200 may not be out of the question. However, $299 is what most people have been estimating.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I hope it has a disc drive. $25 savings isn't much in the long run and the price conscious consumer who normally waits for $100 price drop would be more included if they know they can buy discounted games at retailers and resell them
 

get2sammyb

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Sony makes it clear that both versions are the same generation and both have the same power. With Microsoft's consoles, that isn't necessarily the case, the Series S doesn't necessarily scream out "less powerful." The mainstream consumer is going to be confused when they see both the Series X and Series S on digital shelves come this holiday. This won't be the case with Sony's more streamlined SKU lineup.

Weirdly, I wonder if it could hurt Sony in some way. I assume the Xbox Series S will also not have a disc drive, so I wonder if some people might think the PS5 without a disc drive is "less powerful" than the standard PS5 as well...
 

Bricktop

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Oct 27, 2017
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I would say, now that both console names have been revealed from both platform holders, I prefer Sony's naming scheme: PlayStation 5 and PlayStation 5 All Digital Edition vs Microsoft's Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X.

Sony makes it clear that both versions are the same generation and both have the same power. With Microsoft's consoles, that isn't necessarily the case, the Series S doesn't necessarily scream out "less powerful." The mainstream consumer is going to be confused when they see both the Series X and Series S on digital shelves come this holiday. This won't be the case with Sony's more streamlined SKU lineup.

I guess, what I am trying to say is they Sony has the better branding and cleaner lineup.

Thoughts?

People are smarter than you give them credit for. My 7 year old nephew asked for a Switch for Christmas and specifically layed out why he wanted the "regular" switch and not the "Lite" and why they were different. He is 7.

All of my nieces and nephews got the consoles they wanted this gen, not one of their parents are gamers, and not once did someone buy the wrong version.

We already had an entire generation of Xbox One, S and X and it didn't give anyone an aneurysm. My toaster had 5 different models, as did my refrigerator, phone, tv, etc.

It's not complicated unless you're trying to make it complicated.
 

get2sammyb

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Various insiders have been saying that Microsoft is willing to eat a lot of the cost on this, so $200 may not be out of the question.

Ah, I see, so the super low-ball price estimates stem from people expecting Microsoft to massively eat the cost. I was going to say, if it shares many of the components it surely can't be that cheap!
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Xbox One
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How can a massive corporation like Microsoft be this bad at naming their products?! My god.
My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch. Like a sane person, I just said it's the "Samsung S2" whenever anyone would ask.

I think most people will just say "Xbox S" or "Xbox X"
 

tomwarren

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I haven't really been following this as closely as I should. This "low end" console will need to ship with many of the same components as the Xbox Series X, right? For example, it'll need the same SSD in it?

I saw some people estimating it'll cost $200 in this thread, but that's utterly insane, isn't it?
There's no way it's $200.
 

dom

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Wii and the Wii U looked almost exactly the same. Also, Nintendo's marketing was TERRIBLE. Not really an apples to apples comparison here

They already removed it.
They moved it to the back. Plus, if Series S is digital, it won't even work on it.
 

Iso

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't really been following this as closely as I should. This "low end" console will need to ship with many of the same components as the Xbox Series X, right? For example, it'll need the same SSD in it?

I saw some people estimating it'll cost $200 in this thread, but that's utterly insane, isn't it?
No chance in hell it'll be that cheap at launch. I'd expect it to cost $299 max, otherwise the value proposition gets a lot worse.
It should be able to hit that with no problems (imo):
  • APU rumored to be 50% of the size
  • Less RAM
  • Smaller chassis (less cooling required)
  • Less packaging required (since it's smaller overall)
  • Smaller PSU
  • No disc drive (aka can take a larger loss due to all digital game sales)
 

big_z

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Nov 2, 2017
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This controller looks retail shelf ready. Wonder how soon it will be available

There's talk they might appear before the console as these should hit retail as existing stock depletes. No point making old controllers when the new model is forward and backward compatible.
 

Quellyford

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May 16, 2020
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Nice, that's a good looking controller. Series S likely won't be for me (buying Series X at launch) but assuming it's cheaper, that will be a big plus in a COVID-19 world.