It'd be weird. Because it wouldn't seem counter intuitive to much of the design philosophy of the PS5.
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VentureBeat: "Why the Xbox Series S is such a smart move by Microsoft"
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If you buy a PS5.. I'm assuming on launch..you have 4K..?
How many people want a 1080P machine?
I'd get a Series X if I were them..even if it means waiting.
How many people want a 1080P machine?
I'd get a Series X if I were them..even if it means waiting.
LOL.
Both of you, like most of the people who think this way, are not seeing the benefits of gamepass. It is not meant to be the only place you get your games, it is meant to make you play games you wouldn't be paying for, increasing your game time, your gaming taste, and overall, making you spend more money on the ecosystem. The same happens with Netflix. It is complimentary to your set of games you already pay for.
A postitive xbox piece was never gonna have a chance on this site. Regardless, i do think that we shouldnt assume anything, and wait until we see what the series s actually is. I fucking hate the drip feed silence coming from microsoft and sony about these consoles. Do you want to put out a box this year or not? If so, then shit or get off the pot.
Your OLED would still be nice for VRR and HDR.
It's unclear if the XSX version of a game has a 120 fps mode if the XSS would also have such a feature. It's going to vary. It's also unclear about how well the XSS can push higher resolutions of Xbox One games, too.
Because you have a high end television, I'd rather have the XSX model down the line with a bit of extra saving. Holding onto the Xbox One a little longer if you have one.
I'm buying a ps5 at launch if it supports 1440p. If it doesn't I'll wait until I get a 4k TV.
The XSS has always sounded great to me on paper. A nextgen system for a low price of $299, and for the millions of people still with a 1080p TV, and a easy upgrade for those on the one S. But I personally don't see it doing well at launch. Tipically the premium consoles are the ones that sell the most at launch. The last time MS had 2 SKU's at launch was in 2005 with Xbox 360 core at $299. The case here with Xbox series S is a lot different then back then. So really there is no telling how it will perform. But at launch I do see the X selling better, that may indeed change in the coming months.
Exactly.
Maybe the fact there is no disc drive will make some people hesitate, but the (supposedly) significant price difference should easily make up for it.
4K, 1080p and TFs don't matter at this point.
Maybe you're right and GamePass just isn't meant for people like myself. Time isn't limitless and I already have more games than I can play in my backlog lol adding a full catalog of games to just 'try out' would be insane.
Now ill throw in the obvious caveat of subbing for a month when a game i do really want drops. Which is why I'd happily buy a Series S if the price is in Switch territory.
Over the course of the generation, I'd expect the S to significantly outsell the X. Price will always be king.
I'd be very surprised to see this happen. Xbox One S significantly outsells the Xbox One X, and that is a pattern that has repeated many times in console history (cheaper version of a console outsellling the more expensive version).
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Been playing Switch games on my 4K since launch and this is straight bs.
Yep. When I got my C9, I tried out Breath of the Wild and thought it looked gorgeous. Big improvement to pq overall compared to my old 1080p.
XSS isn't targeted for folks in online forums like ERA.
It's targeted at mass consumers where price is king and they can access on the cheap to hundreds of games. They don't care about resolution and they prob still have 1080p TVs.
It's targeted at mass consumers where price is king and they can access on the cheap to hundreds of games. They don't care about resolution and they prob still have 1080p TVs.
What's 4k telelvision adoption like anyway? I'd imagine most customers are still using 1080p sets.
Game Pass isn't for everybody. Nobody disputes that. But your own personal tastes doesn't change the overall value of Game Pass xD
Look to the iPhone, where the cheaper XR and 11 have outsold the more feature-packed Pro models.
Expect the same for Xbox.
Says you? I wasn't aware everyone's financial situation is black and white.
Right... better get a second job then.
Ms is sitting on some neat data from the days of Xbox 360 Core model (later renamed Arcade) and they know how important it is to be attractive to both segments, hardcore gamers and casual gamers.
Xbox One was 2013 a premium model to attract both segments in one product but failed as the hardcore gamer didn't think a low spec with a 100 usd price tag above a better ps4 to be such a good deal.
Obviously Ms refuses to make that mistake again and I guess they are ready to release dates when these babies will launch but they are prepared to wait a very long time until Sony reveals their price tags.
Sony as a market leader should imo show some confidence in their products and lead the market and let the market know their price tags. Anyone else find Sony's behaviour confusing?
I'm getting both consoles anyway day 1 but where I understand Ms position completely I don't understand Sony's at all. Worst launch year ever.
Xbox One was 2013 a premium model to attract both segments in one product but failed as the hardcore gamer didn't think a low spec with a 100 usd price tag above a better ps4 to be such a good deal.
Obviously Ms refuses to make that mistake again and I guess they are ready to release dates when these babies will launch but they are prepared to wait a very long time until Sony reveals their price tags.
Sony as a market leader should imo show some confidence in their products and lead the market and let the market know their price tags. Anyone else find Sony's behaviour confusing?
I'm getting both consoles anyway day 1 but where I understand Ms position completely I don't understand Sony's at all. Worst launch year ever.
Not really. They're just trying to do exactly the same as they did last time they launched a console, and that worked out pretty well for them.
They know people are going to be falling over each other to buy Playstations unless the price is absolutely obscene. They can definitely afford to wait and see .
They do have a point, though. My brother, for example, is a very casual player. He has an Xbox One and enjoys Call of Duty occasionally. I've told him to subscribe to Game Pass because it's great value, but he's not interested in paying more when he's happy with his Call of Duty. And he can't get Call of Duty on Game Pass.
Now I'm not sure how representative my brother will be of the wider market, but I think convincing people to pay £10 a month for games they don't necessarily want to play is not quite the easy sell so many here see it as.
Most customers are on a 1080p TV and more than satisfied with their display.
Clearly I'm speaking for myself and others who share the same issues with gamepass. Like the user I responded to specifically.
I feel like the existence of the Xbox series S will justify the price of the Xbox series X which I could see being $599
This. I couldn't even convince some of my casual friends to try out the free games from Gold/Plus as they only care about COD/2K
Lol really? We just going to pretend the £$100 gap between Xbox one and PS4 wasn't a huge contributor to market share?
you know this isn't representative of the market as a whole
I doubt anyone has said it'd be an easy sell to convince people to subscribe for games they don't want to play.
There are a lot of people out there that'd find lots of value (and games to play) in Gamepass. Convincing many of them to opt for Gamepass shouldn't be than onerous a task...especially if they can afford that.
Netflix is good value but it never stopped me from going to the movies (which I really miss doing lately). One quirk that Game Pass has that Netflix doesn't is that games leaving the service get steep sales if you're a Game Pass subscriber. But maybe it's not directly comparable since owning a game isn't the same as getting out of the house and playing on a 60 ft. screen.
In gamings main markets (NA, Europe, Japan) I dont doubt that, but in US I think 4K TV ownership is over a 1/3rd of the market iirc.
When you say 'more than satisfied' I wouldnt necessarily agree. A chunk of those owners will have aspirations to upgrade to 4K at some point, as 4K ownership continues to expand each year.
You are 100% correct. Game Pass is not an easy sell for everyone. It's the truth.
It's the same when an exclusive game sells 10 million copies, to a user base of 100 million. It means that 90% of the user base didn't care enough to buy it.
MS are trying to make Game Pass into the Netflix of gaming. Here's what people don't know about Netflix: it took years before Netflix became the massive, ubiquitous service that it is today. Had Netflix cowered with every criticism and setback it faced in the early years, we wouldn't have it today.
That's why, MS will keep promoting it hard because they have to reach a breakthrough point for subscriber rates. They have to go through that same process that Netflix had to endure.
Yup, even 100 dollars is a lot of difference, specially in emerging markets. Here in México, the Switch is around 8000 pesos (like 400 dollars, more or less), the PS4 Slim around the same price as the Switch (it's a bundle tho), the Switch Lite is around 6000 pesos (like 300 dollars) and the Xbox One X is between 10,000 and 11,000 pesos (around 500 or 550 dollars)
Those are the price right now, not in deals, but even the best price we got for Switch or PS4 is the regular prices they have in USA (got my Switch in 300 dollars, the PS4 Slim the cheapest has been like 275 dollars, the Switch Lite the cheapest have been 200 dollars) Only the Xbox One X is cheaper than the regular price in USA when is sold in a deal, actually.
Also, right now the dollar here in MX is 22 pesos mexicanos (last year was 18), and recently digital goods as games or streaming services as Netflix got a tax, which only Microsoft decided to eat to dont't affect their customers and Nintendo managed to keep the tax for DLC, but Sony? They dont't have a regional price, which mean we mexican PSN customers are tied to how good or bad is our local currency to dollars, everything since games, DLC and even the Plus subscription (which got cheaper in certain countries, like México) got more expensive thanks to the tax.
Even if the PS5 DE is around 400 dollars here will cost more than 10,000 pesos. The Xbox Series S, if marketed between 6000 to 8000 pesos mexicanos (300-400 dollars), would be a crazy deal to mexican players to have access to next-gen games.
Series S will still play CoD though. Gamepass isn't meant for those casual players. It's an additional benefit to those chose to have it.
It doesn't inhibit you from buying games.
Their whole argument is "the games I play aren't on Gamepass." Cool, then don't buy Gamepass. I don't get it.
People just want to put down anything that isn't for them. I'm not buying a Series S, doesn't mean I don't see the significant value in it as a product.
2/3 is still most and even those who have aspirations to get a 4K and those who do have one already will still get great looking visuals. As stated before 4K TVs make Switch games look better not worse.
This is exactly why a 1080p console with solid hardware makes sense when it is very price competitive and will still run all the newest games.
I think it makes a lot of sense!
At 299€ the XSS would surely become interesting, might even consider pushing a PC upgrade for a few years.
Just adding to the price speculation, I'm not sure if it has made the round on Era but one of the main french retailer had a Leak on its preorder website a few day ago.
The disc PS5 would cost 499€ while the digital version is priced at 399€. Preorders are opened until the third of October.
XSX would be 399€ and XSS is set at 299€. Preorders are opened until the 13th of September.
The retailer appologized today to say that it was a mistake comitted by the website maintenance company but those prices seems to be quite beliveable.
Sorry if old!
Just adding to the price speculation, I'm not sure if it has made the round on Era but one of the main french retailer had a Leak on its preorder website a few day ago.
The disc PS5 would cost 499€ while the digital version is priced at 399€. Preorders are opened until the third of October.
XSX would be 399€ and XSS is set at 299€. Preorders are opened until the 13th of September.
The retailer appologized today to say that it was a mistake comitted by the website maintenance company but those prices seems to be quite beliveable.
Sorry if old!
I appreciate the response. I'm currently just ps4 for now. I missed the xbox one after having a troubling past with multiple 360s, but I want to jump on game pass at some point to catch up on some games I missed out on though. Maybe I'll wait on series x after the first price drop or sale and hopefully at that point we will already have a nice catalog of next gen games for it.
As always with these topics I kind of scratch my head. I don't mind more options but the people saying this will be successful, we just had a generation where the Xbox One S was cheaper than the PS4 Slim for years and it didn't drive a meaningful difference in adoption.
Depends on the art style, Breath of the Wild looked good on my OLED but Three Houses was another story.
The PS3 launched a year later and 200 dollars more expensive and yet it still did comparable to the 360. Price alone is not the biggest factor, especially of early adoption. The issue with the Xbox One was that it was more expensive and less capable and everyone knew it.
Depends on the art style, Breath of the Wild looked good on my OLED but Three Houses was another story.
The PS3 launched a year later and 200 dollars more expensive and yet it still did comparable to the 360. Price alone is not the biggest factor, especially of early adoption. The issue with the Xbox One was that it was more expensive and less capable and everyone knew it.
By the time the One S and Slim arrived people and friend groups were already pretty much set. It's really difficult to drive a change like that unless you have a massive amount of exclusive games to close that gap (PS3), and MS didn't have that.
At the start of the gen is a very different story and could be a deciding factor (PS4 being $100 cheaper was a huge deal).
I played 3 Houses and didn't really notice anything wrong. Guess just my anecdotal experience though.
I find it hard to believe retailers have the prices already. I doubt that anyone outside a handful of people in each company know the expected prices yet, and there's a chance they're both still allowing for some wiggle room depending on what the other does.
You're right, seems still to early for this. And accessories like the gamepad at 49€, 10€ cheaper than the DS4s seem too low as well.
Don't see the final prices being far from those tho.
So you expect similar success if the XSX is cheaper than the PS5? Given that it is a more capable machine?
Xbox offering the most powerful and cheapest entry seems to have both these bases covered, which is the whole point.
No because as I said, price isn't the only factor in the success of a given console. Brand wise, Xbox is not there with PlayStation or Nintendo at this point.
The whole point? Microsoft hasn't even announced Lockhart yet!