That Resident Evil insider Dusk Golem actually said Microsoft are better at absorbing production costs. So in the end X will be cheaper, end result is the same either way.
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VentureBeat: "Why the Xbox Series S is such a smart move by Microsoft"
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True. But gaming hardware and software sales have also skyrocketed during this pandemic. Millions of people have bought a console in the past few months. I actually wonder how much that will impact the sales of the next gen systems.
If this recession forces people to stay with their current console for longer, it puts MS 1st party studios in a good position. Because MS has committed their 1st party games to cross-gen for the next couple of years, they can sell to Xbox One + PC + Series S/X owners.
On the other hand, Sony's 1st party studios have completely stopped making games for PS4. The new 1st party games can only be sold to PS5 owners. So they'll want to sell as many PS5's as quickly as they can sell them.
Yes, no doubt. What I'm trying to say is that people who are not particularly interested in buying a Series X or PS5, but are interested in gamepass - may not be sold on a next gen console period. Or at least, the audience may be smaller than your traditional enthusiasts. Presumably next gen games (at least initially) are going to run okay on today's PCs - give or take some settings. So, if it's simply about having access to Gamepass games - maybe it's appealing, depending on the price point. But not sure it's going to attract a big audience.
They wouldn't be competing against each other though. At those prices I'm easily getting both, because the Series S would become a GamePass machine.
Why shouldn't the PS5DE be 399 if the Series S can hit 299? From what we know, the BOM is at about 420? Eatin 50$ on a digital edition is nothing. The Series S still has High End SSD and CPU build in. The ONE S still costs 299 Dollars. How can you release a Next Gen Console at a cheaper Price than current Gen?
No i didn't. You implied a 399 PS5DE price is as realistic as a 249 XBOX Series S. I added some explanation later on.
Ugh 249 Series X is indeed possible though? If Sony can take hit, MS can take the hit too.
Btw the BOM of PS5 is 450.
It will depends if the price and about the PS5 price, I can see it the best selling console for Microsoft though.
MS willingness to absorb costs and sell at a greater loss doesnt mean the SX is cheaper to make than the PS5. All reliable rumours point to the opposite.
That's probably for the Version with a Blu-Ray Drive.
I'm not saying Xbox can't take a hit. But a worse GPU does not equate a 250$ difference. Only if you think the Series X will only cost 400$. If that's the case, the PS5 DE edition will cost 299$ because there is simply no way the X is cheaper than the PS5, let alone 100$.
every generation people expect MS to undercut sony and take a huge loss on HW and it never turns out to be true.
This. We're getting way ahead of ourselves until we know anything about it
There's a lot of assumption about so-called average consumer, like they go in the store and just buy the cheapest option available.
Who is the average consumer? Does the average Italian (or someone from the PSland) consumer know about Xbox SS and game pass? Does the average Italian consumer buy console at launch? Will the average Italian consumer consider buying an Xbox SS even if it's 150€ cheaper than the PS5?
Who is the average consumer? Does the average Italian (or someone from the PSland) consumer know about Xbox SS and game pass? Does the average Italian consumer buy console at launch? Will the average Italian consumer consider buying an Xbox SS even if it's 150€ cheaper than the PS5?
Yup. And how many (Japanese, AA, indies) will just skip the ecosystem because they don't have the resources to port their game on these systems? How the port gonna look like? If the Xbox SS represent 25% of the 1/4 of the console market who's gonna give a shit? Jeff should write an article on why the Xbox Series S is maybe not such a smart move by Microsoft his analysis is incomplete.
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Yeah I actually think this is Microsoft plan, use the S as a way to be a second console. Maybe that's what the S stands for
Not clever if the power rumours are true. It's going to hold back next gen like the one, one s.
And the ps4, PS4 pro did ?
Does pc architecture home back games on that platform? Are you suggesting that you should no longer be able to buy a pc unless you have a gpu over a certain spec?
Yes, this is the different factor. But also at the start of a new gen you have to compete against the marketing and hype of any console launching at the same time.
Yes, Sony have gone all in on trying to get people to the new gen as fast as possible. We'll see if that riskier strategy pays off for them.
To be fair to them with regards to stopping making games for this gen sooner, they have given the PS4 some amazing new exclusives in 2020.
On paper a Series S at $299 or even less sounds like a great deal, but how does Microsoft market this console when they've not even shown Next Gen gaming on the Premium (Series X) console?
This is the differentiator between PS5 and XSX/S is that we are seeing games running on PS5 but we've yet to see any NG games running on Xbox hardware????
This is the differentiator between PS5 and XSX/S is that we are seeing games running on PS5 but we've yet to see any NG games running on Xbox hardware????
It's just unfortunate luck that both companies new consoles are launching at a time when the economy has taken a hit. It will impact sales but we don't yet know how, or how much.
I'm primarily an xbox gamer, but if series S can handle the same games at 1080p, It'll be what my PS5 sits along side.
I care less about resolution and more about getting to play as many games as possible. If Series S is cheap enough to allow me to own both consoles I'm a happy camper.
I care less about resolution and more about getting to play as many games as possible. If Series S is cheap enough to allow me to own both consoles I'm a happy camper.
Don't know, but i think there are people that buy consoles to play games, and there is plenty of games not avaible on the XSX that are on PS5
I feel it could go two ways really. It could either be an absolute sensation that will sell like absolute crazy, or it'll be the "peasant" platform that no one really wants.
Realistically, it'll probably do fine, but I think the majority will be looking to buy either the PS5 or Xbox Series X -- and, frankly, I'm including "casuals" in that.
We need more information really, though.
Realistically, it'll probably do fine, but I think the majority will be looking to buy either the PS5 or Xbox Series X -- and, frankly, I'm including "casuals" in that.
We need more information really, though.
It's not just worse GPU though, less RAM(maybe also slower than XSX), way smaller SoC(about half of XSX SoC size), smaller case, no disc-tray, so 500/250 is always possible.
Its possible MS held back showing games that are ready to ship in the next few years but the impression I got from their showcase is most of their first party games are very far out. It's just Halo at launch and then Forza probably around the same time next year. Continued current gen support is mostly up to what third parties decide to do with their games.
I'm tempted just to get a Series S at launch and wait until 2021/22 to get a PS5/XSX.
Depending on the price I might end up with a PS5 Digital as my launch machine though.
I have a feeling the first year or two is going to be poor, just like this current gen. The first year of ths gen was probably the worst first year I've ever seen actually.
Depending on the price I might end up with a PS5 Digital as my launch machine though.
I have a feeling the first year or two is going to be poor, just like this current gen. The first year of ths gen was probably the worst first year I've ever seen actually.
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300 would probably mean you can get the console with Gamepass Ultimate and the upgrade option for 22.5 or 25$ as the initial entry price.
If 400, the initial entry price would be around 30 I guess ?
It will depend of how many retailers have accepted to join the program but Spencer said that they would push it for the XSX launch.
Microsoft's messaging has been mixed, but they have made one thing clear. They are done trying to "win" the console war in a traditional way. I don't believe it's inflammatory to say that trying to outsell Sony with Series X consoles has never been in the business plan.
So they are saying to their loyal, hardcore gamers: "Here is the Series X, built for you. Enjoy the power." There is nothing about which to complain.
But the messaging has never been ALL IN on selling the XSX as the main console. I believe we will find out why when the Series S marketing begins. If I'm right, it will be the main event that truly receives the red carpet and flashing lights. I could be wrong but forecasting is a part of my irl job. The math has led me here. It could be that the cat and mouse between MS/Sony has muddied the waters in regards to their true intentions, but I'm just playing with the data I have in front of me.
I also believe Sony is crunching this same data, and realizes the threat of the Series S. Enthusiast forumites spit at it, but this thing really could hit the ground in a full sprint. I believe we're looking in the wrong direction, when thinking about the pricing and details of which Xbox console Sony is concerned.
The next few months will be interesting.
I have an eye on it, has to be said. I feel like there are so many hardware/ecosystem options floating around at the moment that are interesting to me.
PS5 with access to the entire library of PS4 titles I've missed out, plus VR and other such things, re-activating my lapsed PSN+.
Series S, a low cost entry to the next gen, possibly in a nice small form factor.
Xcloud, possibly the best positioned streaming service so far, as long as it can get to more devices than just laptops and phones.
Oculus Quest & future revisions, no wires VR, the best way to do it. Underpowered now, but surely cannot be long until we hit a new version.
Plus whatever happens in the Nintendo world, I'd be all over a Super Switch.
Seriously incredible times in terms of platform diversity right now.
PS5 with access to the entire library of PS4 titles I've missed out, plus VR and other such things, re-activating my lapsed PSN+.
Series S, a low cost entry to the next gen, possibly in a nice small form factor.
Xcloud, possibly the best positioned streaming service so far, as long as it can get to more devices than just laptops and phones.
Oculus Quest & future revisions, no wires VR, the best way to do it. Underpowered now, but surely cannot be long until we hit a new version.
Plus whatever happens in the Nintendo world, I'd be all over a Super Switch.
Seriously incredible times in terms of platform diversity right now.
So when he says secondary console he is assuming everyone that buys this will buy a PS5 also. Because there's absolutely no reason to get this over the Series X if you want to stay on the XBOX family.
I don't know, I don't see myself buying this on top of one of the other next-gen consoles, maybe down the line after some price cuts. And honestly I don't see the "general public" that many talk about in this thread, picking this up as a secondary console over a Switch.
I don't know, I don't see myself buying this on top of one of the other next-gen consoles, maybe down the line after some price cuts. And honestly I don't see the "general public" that many talk about in this thread, picking this up as a secondary console over a Switch.
If soon "almost no 4K game will run native 4K", then that means XBox Series S will suffer, no?
I mean, if developers can put the resources in the assets instead of the resolution, then it will be harder for Series S to keep up.
I predict lots of 900p games with poor performance if that's the case. We'll see I guess.
I mean, if developers can put the resources in the assets instead of the resolution, then it will be harder for Series S to keep up.
I predict lots of 900p games with poor performance if that's the case. We'll see I guess.
I live in a country (Brazil) where Xbox is very popular (even though not more than playstation), and the price of a next generation console is something that is always almost Impossible to pay.
The most popular console here, in people's home, is the Xbox 360 followed by the ps2, because of piracy.
But that doesn't mean a lot of people doesn't buy next gen consoles here, It has a huge market for games and the majority of people here, doesn't have an 4K tv.
I can see the Series S being a success here, because It would provide the lowest price for a next gen console and game pass, which is cheap here.
Oh yeah, of course on different countries it can thrive based on the economy for sure, I saw someone here talking about the same in Mexico.
Too many assumptions in the article. I'll wait to see how things turn out before I agree or disagree with it. We don't have price of the next consoles yet and I feel it's too early for articles like this.
Unless Microsoft or AMD has something that I dunno, I don't think they can match Nvidia and DLSS 2 in image reconstruction. They have a long way to go.
The "reconstruction is indistinguishable from 4k" thing wasn't true this gen and we have no idea if Sony and MS' implementations will be anywhere near as good as DLSS. Other than that flight of fancy I agree with the overall sentiment.
The Series S has the potential to sell a lot more than the Series X
Nah...If $400 PS4DE is legit, that's really the only machine I need in the house to access most of the 3rd party games out there. I can't remember the last time I played $60 for something that wasn't exclusive. 3rd party stuff goes down in price so quickly. I can get so many cheap games with or without Gamepass, $15 games, $30 games, they are all around. I do think the hype of GP is a little overstated as you can find deals just about everywhere, every week across platforms today. Being a good entry point into 3rd party is not that compelling to me with PS on the market @$400.
But it is smart having a nice price-gap between units.
Good example https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps4-playstation-store-games-sale-cheap-deals-august-2020/
But it is smart having a nice price-gap between units.
Good example https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/ps4-playstation-store-games-sale-cheap-deals-august-2020/
I don't agree with "Resolution-reconstruction techniques are the future", and they are a bit optimistic with their 130$ GPU running ultra-games at 1080p60, but otherwise there are some decent arguments in there.
For many people, the rumored XSS at 300$ is a very attractive next-gen console.
For many people, the rumored XSS at 300$ is a very attractive next-gen console.
otoh, those prices quickly adds up. 15 bucks here, 10 there.. even if you only find 20 games on Gamepass that you like, you would still have saved.. 200 or so dollars worth of games.
$200 over the course of a year is the equivalent of going out to eat fastfood or pizza 20-30 times. lol...This is not how people look at savings. It has to be massive and front center, not looking back at two years and going oh "I've saved up $500". Don't get me wrong, I count my pennies, but the savings is not immediate, and people can go months without buying anything new. The all you can eat is simply not practical to me, I have moments in gaming where all I'm playing is Smash Brothers and Mario Kart for months. Other times when it's just Monster Hunter and SFV, again for months. I'm not buying anything all my time is invested in those 1-2 game purchases. That's when stuff like PS+ and GP is meaningless to me because I don't need a huge variety. There's a lot of consoles that are just for Fifa/COD/2K or GTAV.
I'm just arguing the flip side, I get the immense value and appeal of GP. Just stating it's not as universal as forum geeks like us think. Not everyone is running through 5-7 games a month.
you could make the same argument about saving a lot of money by buying physical deals which you can't with the Series S.
