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What do you say, ERA, Does €2.50-€10 too much for visiting Venice in your opinion? Should visitors be limited instead?
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Venice to tax 'daytrippers'.
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What do you say, ERA, Does €2.50-€10 too much for visiting Venice in your opinion? Should visitors be limited instead?
It gets to a point where overcrowding of a city starts to affect the quality of life of citizens. Just this New Year's the Brooklyn Bridge was close to pedestrians because it was absolutely jam packed. I'm ok with it.
many port towns get over run by tourists stemming from Cruise ships who contribute nothing to the local economy.
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
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look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
--
look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
Very few people actually live in Venice. Even the people who own the shops and stuff generally commute from the mainland. These days, Venice is more amusement park than actual city.
As someone who used to "day trip" to Venice all the time, I don't really see an issue with this.
As someone who used to "day trip" to Venice all the time, I don't really see an issue with this.
Sounds dumb. It's just an easy way to cash in on tourism. People will pay but you're still a shitty city for doing it. Plus, folks will find a way not to pay as well. It's a lot like Vancouver where they put in the Canada Line (Vancouver to Airport train). The 3 stations closest to the airport are controlled by the airport so they added a "leaving Sea Island fare" where you pay an added $5 just to leave. People now just buy a return ticket on another station before the airport and use that to leave all to save $5.
"cheap? Because they pay a lot to go to different towns and party each night? The money's not going to cheap trinket shops because no one wants cheap trinkets. They want photos, getting drunk, and generally exploring.many port towns get over run by tourists stemming from Cruise ships who contribute nothing to the local economy.
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
--
look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
they are paying for their cruise but are not spending a dime locally in the towns they are visiting.
fucker cruisers
many port towns get over run by tourists stemming from Cruise ships who contribute nothing to the local economy.
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
--
look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
Surely for a ship that large there'd be some pretty huge docking fees though? So there's that at least.
Says in the article though:
they have everything they need on the stupid cruise boat, so these free loaders just come to shore with bullies full and loaded with backpacks with snacks and spend nothing then they guy back to their crummy cruise boat and gorge on the food at on the cruise ship
many port towns get over run by tourists stemming from Cruise ships who contribute nothing to the local economy.
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
--
look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
Crazy how big these cruise ships are
the crazy part is that they are carrying a bigger population than the actual denizens of the town
When I was on a cruise I made it a point to try local cuisine and buy some sort of souvenir wherever we docked because cruise food wasn't particularly good and i wanted to try local specialties.
But I've never been on a cruise in Europe, maybe it's different? Are the tourists somehow qualitatively worse?
EDIT: personally I think i wouldn't mind paying the tax as a tourist. I feel like Italian citizens should be exempt.
Dude....what? The kind of people who can afford to drop 4k on a two week cruise are the kind that will buy expensive non trinket souvenirs from a city. During my honeymoon I bought the wife jewelery from literally every city we visited. We aren't talking about backpackers staying in hostels
German tourists have a....reputation amongst many European countries. I have....experienced it many times myself. Let's leave it at that
cruise ships is always in part what it causes venice to sunk faster, hopefully they will ban most of them soon.
https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...marghera-port-where-is-it-italy-a8044026.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...marghera-port-where-is-it-italy-a8044026.html
Yeah, many of the city's old population got pushed out because of tourism and this is only another gut punch to them. If anything new laws should be made to combat Airbnb as that is one of the reasons for the pushout. We even had a thread for thislast year.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/‘o...-much-did-technology-help-get-us-there.65300/
Reputation for... wearing socks in sandals? I thought British tourists had the bad reputation.
Looking st that graph though, you can see the population had already started its plummet decades before AirBnB.Yeah, many of the city's old population got pushed out because of tourism and this is only another gut punch to them. If anything new laws should be made to combat Airbnb as that is one of the reasons for the pushout. We even had a thread for thislast year.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/‘o...-much-did-technology-help-get-us-there.65300/
The fact is, a city like Venice just isn't a convienient place to live. If anything, tourism is what has kept it thriving and profitable for so many years now. Most of the people who were "pushed out" by AirBnB had also spent their lives profiting off the tourism, and continue to after they commute in every day. There isn't much else there besides tourism.
lol
The entire point of getting off the boat is to experience the local culture and especially the cuisine. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Uh yeah from people I know in retail, the cruise ships are huge money. Rude, but big spenders. They get extra workers if there's a big ship coming in.
I'm not sure this is the answer, but I'd be happy to pay a (another) fee as a visitor for Venice. The city gets wrecked and overrun by tourists all the time, and it's in dire need of restoration/shoring up which is extra extra expensive due to its age and situation. I went back in 2001(?) and it felt really depressing, a dirty shell of a city picked over by seagulls. :(
many port towns get over run by tourists stemming from Cruise ships who contribute nothing to the local economy.
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
--
look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
Many passengers that disembark (and not all of them do) usually:
1. Go out and eat/drink at the local restaurants/cafe's.
2. Buy souvenirs to take back with them from the markets
3. Go on local "tours" and things (which cost money).
Not to mention the crew members that disembark usually hit up the bars and things too for some R&R.
Having just stayed in Europe for 21 days in Dec, this isn't uncommon. We stayed in Rome and Venice and the Italians will basically charge you whatever with "tourist tax" for each person every night. They also hit you with coperto when you go out to eat. (Service charge for bread and linen when going out to eat).
I don't know if this is the answer or not, but Venice needs to do something. The city is crumbling and has too many visitors already.
Why? Venice is an extreme example. Most of the larger cities in Europe are pretty well-equipped for the number of visitors they get.
You haven't been to Venice. It is worse than Disneyland on a busy day.
They're right to do so. I know these awful cruisers can't get as close as they used to, but they're still monstrosities.
No, their USP is that it's a beautiful city that's actually above water level, and should remain so. It's not like tourism in Venice is going to drop off a cliff because of this.
You have obviously never been on a cruise. Port stops are basically free money for the local economy.
Those who get off are usually eating, drinking, shopping, or going on an excursion.
The idea that a cruise stop would mean no spending locally is absurd.
Your lost. Europe is a great continent to visit. So many countries to hit up and different cruisines to try out.
You're arguing against a well established fact - here's just one of a hundreds of articles/studies about it https://www.uib.no/en/news/36477/cruise-tourists-spend-less. Google for plenty more
The demographics of cruise ship passengers are largely older people aiming to maximise their all-inclusive package. Money spent on the shore is often considered a 'waste' by them.
This is not a thing. Cruise tourists spend money on the places they go to. Usually a lot. Shit man I was happy whenever one arrived it always meant getting some nice tips.many port towns get over run by tourists stemming from Cruise ships who contribute nothing to the local economy.
These tourists get off their cruise ships, act like jerks, trash the place with their garbage, buy nothing, and return to their cruise ships.
Barcelona is clamping down on them now, and many other port cities are following suit.
--
look at this monstrosity
that huge piece of junk towers over most buildings of the entire town,
imagine a who who cruise load of cheap ass tourists invading a small town...
fuck cruise tourists
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2018/may/01/venice-to-segregate-tourists-in-may-day-overcrowding
Yup. Have you guys never listened to the stories your older family members tell about their cruises? The only thing they buy on land is some small trinket / souvenir so they can at least pretend they've been in another country. They're spending fuck all in bars / restaurants because they paid good money for the "drinks included" -option when they booked the cruise. That's the entire point. Cruise ship passengers are the worst kind of tourist by far.