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Variety: Marvel trans superhero not planned for ‘very soon’
- Thread starter Wallace Wells
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As someone not into comics at all, is there a trans comic book hero they would use? Or would they be creating a new character? Or would they be changing a comic book hero from cisgender to transgender?
Just curious how they'd approach that.
Just curious how they'd approach that.
Well, it's Disney so either they'll create a new supporting character for it or a villain.
No way they'll make one of the main cast transgender.
Knowing what we know of marvel
The character will be a background prop that can easily be edited out-having a non consequential part in the story.
The character will be a background prop that can easily be edited out-having a non consequential part in the story.
Disney and all these other corporations can barely acknowledge gay characters let alone give them significant roles, so you're going to have to wait another few decades before they'll even consider putting a trans* person in the background for no more than 2 seconds and pat themselves on the back thinking they did something meaningful.
Don't wait for these assholes to offer the genuine and sincere representation we need/deserve, support actual LGBTQ+ artists instead of paying money to see Disney and the rest fill the trough with the same old slop. They don't care and they never will until it makes them more money.
Don't wait for these assholes to offer the genuine and sincere representation we need/deserve, support actual LGBTQ+ artists instead of paying money to see Disney and the rest fill the trough with the same old slop. They don't care and they never will until it makes them more money.
Does Marvel Comics even have a trans superhero in their backlog even?
Plus mainline characters are probably facing a reshuffle since Fox was acquired to please thirsty Deadpool and Wolverine fans.
Plus mainline characters are probably facing a reshuffle since Fox was acquired to please thirsty Deadpool and Wolverine fans.
There's Sera from the Angela comics, but she's more of a supporting role. She can be introduced in a Thor movie, but other than that there isn't a lot of trans rep in Marvel currently.
Edit: Loki and Koi Boi from Squirrel Girl.
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Comics Loki is trans, though a villain, from what I remember and I think Squirrel Girl has trans friends? But that's pretty much it. Oh and Sera, whho I did not know about until now
I don't think Feige is to blame for the answer itself, as I guess the questioner really didn't ask a clear question, and people assumed things, as the internet is wont to do.
The blame he deserves (assuming he has the right to greenlight any movie he wants) is for not having any trans superheroes, and more widely, any LGBT superheroes in the main lineup. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Marvel hasn't announced a single superhero (for their upcoming movies/shows) who belongs to any of these categories. That's bullshit right there.
The blame he deserves (assuming he has the right to greenlight any movie he wants) is for not having any trans superheroes, and more widely, any LGBT superheroes in the main lineup. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Marvel hasn't announced a single superhero (for their upcoming movies/shows) who belongs to any of these categories. That's bullshit right there.
Corporations don't care about us, the faster you accept that the better. We can't rely on huge corporations for visibility and representation, it's why we should support LGBT creators much, much more. It's not like we should give up wanting more LGBT representation in mass media, we should always fight for it in any way we can, but we definitely can't rely on it for the representation we so desperately need. At this point I don't believe anything any of them say irt LGBT characters until they fucking show them to us and actually give them roles that we can fucking remember and have fucking names in the first place.
Well since Kevin got freedom from Ike Perlmutter the MCU started to become more diverse, so perhaps now Kevin Figie is literally in charge of everything Marvel he can start making more diverse changes in even the comics.
But like I said now FF and Mutants are here and Wolverine, Deadpool and FF have the thirstiest fans things have been thrown into disarray, so I guess things will probably get there. I deffo think Deadpool is the film that will have TG representation first. There's constantly rumors of Squirrel Girl getting a film or TV series.
Xavin also kinda counts, but the runaways adaptation didn't played much to this aspect
Oh yeah Xavin, I always forget when creators do shapeshifting characters who aren't tricksters as trans.
I highly disagree with Loki but there you go. Not that any of this matters now with how quickly all of this was shot down from very high up. Y-7 kids cartoons are more "daring" than PG-13 Disney. Pretends to be shocked.
The DC list is longer due to direct Vertigo tie-ins and whatnot (the missing The Invisibles and so on aren´t part of DC canon):
The N52/Rebirth Harley impersonator is missing too.
The most prominent human trans cape comic character may be the modern version of Shining Knight but DC or Marvel might as well make up new characters for tv and film with how slim and debatable/non-human the lists are. Unless you want to settle on absurdist creations as Danny the Street and whatnot (i like the comic and show of course).
Edit: A Lego game character is on the Marvel list. Just proves how some of these aren´t set in stone. And that Harvey Weinstein parody from a 2002 Spiderman comic is quite something. A Ron Zimmerman comic. That explains it all. He did Rawhide Kid Max. Shudder.
The DC list is longer due to direct Vertigo tie-ins and whatnot (the missing The Invisibles and so on aren´t part of DC canon):
The N52/Rebirth Harley impersonator is missing too.
The most prominent human trans cape comic character may be the modern version of Shining Knight but DC or Marvel might as well make up new characters for tv and film with how slim and debatable/non-human the lists are. Unless you want to settle on absurdist creations as Danny the Street and whatnot (i like the comic and show of course).
Edit: A Lego game character is on the Marvel list. Just proves how some of these aren´t set in stone. And that Harvey Weinstein parody from a 2002 Spiderman comic is quite something. A Ron Zimmerman comic. That explains it all. He did Rawhide Kid Max. Shudder.
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Would Loki count as trans?
Loki can change sex at will magically.
I can see an argument that Loki an idealized look at trans identity but may not be good representation because he/she doesn't have the same struggles with dysmorphia/passing/bigotry that real trans people have.
Maybe they introduce Angela in Thor: Love and Thunder or Guardians 3, which could give them an opportunity to introduce Sera as a major supporting character.
Loki can change sex at will magically.
I can see an argument that Loki an idealized look at trans identity but may not be good representation because he/she doesn't have the same struggles with dysmorphia/passing/bigotry that real trans people have.
Maybe they introduce Angela in Thor: Love and Thunder or Guardians 3, which could give them an opportunity to introduce Sera as a major supporting character.
Loki would qualify at NB at best..... but it is highly debatable because he morphs his body to achieve certain goals, not to fit his identity
I think Loki counts more as gender fluid, since they're either a he or a she depending on how they feel at any given time. Then again it's hard to actually pin anything on Loki, be it gender, sexual orientation, even age. Loki is whatever Loki wants to be and probably thinks it's stupid to limit yourself to being one thing.
In the MCU however Loki is strictly male. They could change that with the Disney+ show but that would require they let other people besides Tom Hiddleston play Loki and that probably isn't happening.
You mean Kevin Feige said something to get brownie points without actually meaning it? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!
This won't happen until China gets with the times with LGBTQ+ rights. Disney's investment into the China market (films, media, and the Shanghai Park) means more than doing the right thing, unfortunately.
Yep, can't piss off China. Disney's superfans will magically be absent from this thread.
I'm a bit of a superfan myself. Being critical can come from a super fan.
honestly kinda relieved cause chances are it would just have been some nothing background character who pops up for no reason other than for Disney to try to brag about how great they're at LGBTQ+ representation.
There's already over a dozen "what assholes/jerks!" posts in this thread.
That's Disney for you.
Next Marvel movie will have a trans character in the background for like 2 seconds.
Next Marvel movie will have a trans character in the background for like 2 seconds.
This was already vague from the start, especially in regards to a "super hero" vs "characters".
The most recent Marvel movie had a trans character in the background. In Spider-Man: Far From Home one of Peter's classmates that went to Europe with them is trans. I believe he has a speaking part but I haven't seen the movie in a while.
It's too bad, because I do think Eternals is the best place to introduce a trans character. That whole cast is essentially being remade from the ground up - not even comic fans know who half of these characters are. Would be an easy place to slip in some extra representation, on top of what they're already doing.
I really can't believe so many outlets ran the story when he was clearly not saying yes to a trans character specifically. He was clearly referring to the rumored gay character in Eternals.
Sorta felt that was going to be Marvel's wiggle room (that KF was responding to the first part of the question, not the second part). Disappointing, Even Still though, I'm hoping that the LGBTQ character is not a bit character or a throwaway character.
Could make Chris Claremont's original plans for Nightcrawler's parentage canon:
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Likely a new character or an existing character revised (as mentioned before, Eternals would have been an opportunity since not even most comic readers are familiar with those characters).
The list of actual trans Marvel characters is woefully slim. Maybe in the last couple years there have been more I'm not aware of? I can only think of Koi Boi from the 2010s Squirrel Girl run.
One of the Disney Plus episodes of Marvel Hero Project spotlighted a young trans rights activist. So some people in the company are taking steps in the right direction at least.
Realistic question. Would you like them to do an original story or a change the backstory for an existing character?