Just so you all know, 20th Century Fox was created when Fox Studios merged with 20th Century Pictures.
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Variety: Disney Drops Fox Name, Will Rebrand Divisions as 20th Century Studios, Searchlight Pictures
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Back to the 30s it is then!
You actually linked to an article that echos what I said:
But sure, Murdoch might have wanted to keep it too.
Either way, it wasn't a legal problem, which was the point I was making.
As long as they don't kill the fanfare, it doesn't bother me.
Wonder if the were going to do the "X" highlight with The New Mutants movie?
For now I quess that they will not do anything
For now I quess that they will not do anything
I read everything available on the subject and the antitrust concerns for the sale to Disney didn't have anything to do with FN, Disney's holdings don't include a 24 hour news channel like Comcast's does. The concerns seemed to cover one company holding control over that much content but FN could have been easily swapped out for any other piece of Fox had Disney actually been interested in it.
And Fox News may have high viewership but it's not a cash cow. The last internals we had suggested that Murdoch and other partners were subsidizing it because of how many advertisers have left the network.
I don't think Fox News was part of the legal issues - it's just a cable news network and Disney doesn't own one of those. ABC made owning FOX an issue because of broadcasting I guess, but cable isn't a big deal. Disney acquired other cable channels in this very deal.
Their expanding their Hulu service by adding FX and making it the landing space for everything adult related. It's going to be the home of searchlight tv and will likely be the home for the entire searchlight library when it returns from HBO. NBC is keeping its major content on its service, peacock.
I don't think Disney+ is suffering from a lack of interest or appeal, I know you have some people saying it's not for them etc, the service wasn't made for all people.
Yeah, having both Hulu and D+ is a perfectly reasonable strategy for now. If that eventually changes they can merge them.
FX and FXX. Most people don't really associate those names with Fox anyway.
They might just change it to say 20th Century Studios instead but same sequence?
Yeah, I figure it'll be that but with Studios at the bottom. Or just the old name would be cool.
Hopefully they add the Fanfare/Logo to the Star Wars sequel trilogy (since the main Star Wars theme is composed to follow that intro).
Gonna be a while to adjust to the new branding, but it makes sense. Like others have said, the current name originates from a merger of two companies (20th Century Pictures + Fox Film) from roughly 80 years ago.
Related trivia--this is also how we got the MGM brand / name we have today, it's the merger of two companies (Mayer + Metro-Goldwyn), which itself was a merger of two companies (Metro + Goldwyn). The lion marquee motif actually originates with Goldwyn.
I imagine the 20th Century re-branding will be finalized well after the movie's release, so it will still probably use the 20th Century Fox brand (and allow them to re-use that "X" highlight variant).
Although to hypothetically suggest a replacement solution--they could have the searchlights visibly intersect to create an X, and have that illuminate on top of the logo.
Related trivia--this is also how we got the MGM brand / name we have today, it's the merger of two companies (Mayer + Metro-Goldwyn), which itself was a merger of two companies (Metro + Goldwyn). The lion marquee motif actually originates with Goldwyn.
I imagine the 20th Century re-branding will be finalized well after the movie's release, so it will still probably use the 20th Century Fox brand (and allow them to re-use that "X" highlight variant).
Although to hypothetically suggest a replacement solution--they could have the searchlights visibly intersect to create an X, and have that illuminate on top of the logo.
In my humble opinion FXX shouldn't continue to exist. It's a completely redundant channel and most of its schedule comprises of either Simpsons reruns or movies, both of which are also shown on other channels(Freeform now shows classic Simpsons episodes). Been saying for a while that I could see a situation where FXX is shut down.
You said that Murdoch wanted to sell his entire empire to Disney. That implies that Disney would have acquired the entirety of 21st Century Fox. That transaction would not have gone through. The anti-trust concerns would have centered around Fox Broadcasting, Fox Sports and the regional Fox Sport Networks. There is no way that Murdoch would have kept those assets without Fox News.
Fox News is a cash cow.
I'm fine with this, I think the Searchlight name by itself is held in high regard. Also as many have mentioned 20th Century Pictures is just a throwback to pre-merger with Fox times.
Just so you all know, 20th Century Fox was created when Fox Studios merged with 20th Century Pictures.
Yep. Would have been cool if they had called it "Pictures" again, but I get why they didn't.
That was always the plan. Sinclair has that OTT service Stadium, wouldn't be surprised if that ends up being used.
I may have misunderstood how much of Fox Murdoch was interested in selling but nothing I've read since I started looking over it today suggests that FN was never on the table and that Disney couldn't buy it, which was what you chimed in to say.
And this is a year old but CNN at 2nd place in ratings brought home more that twice FN's profits
Murdoch's desire to hold onto it has a lot more to do with its influence than to do with money.
The box office bombs that Disney was mandated to distribute were a financial turd to their 2019 streak of billion dollar hits. That was the final nail in the coffin which proved that moviegoers didn't really care for 20th Century Fox as much as film fandom say they do.
A subtle rebranding to transform the 21st Century Fox assets into cleaner subsidiaries that no longer suffer the inorganic corporate baggage from Rupert Murdoch was just smart business.
The Fox legacy has layers of irony. William Fox founded Fox Film which merged with 20th Century Pictures to give us 20th Century Fox.
Rupert Murdoch later acquired 20th Century Fox to grow his media empire and lauched Fox News later on to corporately synergise his media assets.
If I was Disney, I'd re-brand it as Hulu Television Networks. Hulu did originate as a joint venture between Comcast, WarnerMedia, 21st Century Fox and Disney to stream television series so it'd be a smart throwback to Hulu's origins.
Rupert Murdoch selling the Fox Regional Sports Networks was a stupid idea. Not only were they the only asset that both Disney and Comcast could not legally acquire without breaking antitrust laws, but the spin-off company of New Fox was created with the purpose of cable news and live sports.
So baffingly counterintuitive.
A subtle rebranding to transform the 21st Century Fox assets into cleaner subsidiaries that no longer suffer the inorganic corporate baggage from Rupert Murdoch was just smart business.
The Fox legacy has layers of irony. William Fox founded Fox Film which merged with 20th Century Pictures to give us 20th Century Fox.
Rupert Murdoch later acquired 20th Century Fox to grow his media empire and lauched Fox News later on to corporately synergise his media assets.
If I was Disney, I'd re-brand it as Hulu Television Networks. Hulu did originate as a joint venture between Comcast, WarnerMedia, 21st Century Fox and Disney to stream television series so it'd be a smart throwback to Hulu's origins.
Rupert Murdoch selling the Fox Regional Sports Networks was a stupid idea. Not only were they the only asset that both Disney and Comcast could not legally acquire without breaking antitrust laws, but the spin-off company of New Fox was created with the purpose of cable news and live sports.
So baffingly counterintuitive.
"This is the way."
In all seriousness, considering how much of a glorified, propaganda machine Fox News is (and all around just terrible), what company would want to associate with them?
In all seriousness, considering how much of a glorified, propaganda machine Fox News is (and all around just terrible), what company would want to associate with them?
Searchlight has already changed up their twitter:
So has 20th century, but no updated logo.
So has 20th century, but no updated logo.
Same. Tho it's Newman, versus Neuman.
The EC editors grew up listening to radio, and this was frequently reflected in their stories, names and references. The name "Alfred E. Neuman" derived from comedian Henry Morgan's "Here's Morgan" radio series on Mutual, ABC and NBC. One character on his show had a name that was a reference to composer Alfred Newman, who scored many films and also composed the familiar fanfare that accompanies 20th Century Fox's opening film logo.[22] The possible inspiration for Henry Morgan was that Laird Cregar portrayed Sir Henry Morgan in The Black Swan (1942) with Tyrone Power, and the Oscar-nominated score for that film was by Newman. Listening to the sarcastic Morgan's brash broadcasts, the Mad staff took note and reworked the name into Neuman, as later recalled by Kurtzman:
Mystery solved. Thanks, Wikipedia Brown.
Actually noticed today that the 20th Century Fox Television logos at the end of The Simpsons episodes currently on Disney+ still say "A News Corporation Company" on them. Wonder if that's something Disney will eventually fix.
Was checking logos because early episodes of the show used to have the old 20th Television logo, where the word "Television" zooms out to cover up the word "Century" in the logo(as seen in countless pre 1990s Fox TV shows, like the 1960s Batman for example). At some point 20th Television replaced the old logo with a newer one on most episodes, but a handful retained them on the DVD releases(I believe season 3's "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington" was one). However none of the episode copies on Disney+ feature the old logo as far as I can tell.
I don't know I have a certain nostalgia for the old zooming 20th Television logo, just don't see the logo often anymore. Just dumb unimportant things that most people don't worry about when watching TV shows, but small things like that are things I tend to notice.
Was checking logos because early episodes of the show used to have the old 20th Television logo, where the word "Television" zooms out to cover up the word "Century" in the logo(as seen in countless pre 1990s Fox TV shows, like the 1960s Batman for example). At some point 20th Television replaced the old logo with a newer one on most episodes, but a handful retained them on the DVD releases(I believe season 3's "Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington" was one). However none of the episode copies on Disney+ feature the old logo as far as I can tell.
I don't know I have a certain nostalgia for the old zooming 20th Television logo, just don't see the logo often anymore. Just dumb unimportant things that most people don't worry about when watching TV shows, but small things like that are things I tend to notice.
They need a new name for Fox. FX is fine, FXX is redundant as already stated and can go. Leaving the broadcast channel with the same name needs to be rectified asap. Unless they plan on scrapping it and consolidating it with ABC.
In that case, I'm dumb and everything I said should be disregarded.
Except for the fact that FXX needs to go.
Ford v Ferrari did well critically and commercially didn't it?
Edi: Jojo and A Hidden Life were critical darlings, and that's what you'd want from your small film branch.
It's gotten Disney into the Oscars for more than the usual technical awards.
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This was obviously going to happen back when we first found out about the deal between Disney and Fox. There being two Fox entities was never going to happen long term.
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Yeah, but also to give some brand separation between fox entertainment/networks and 20CF and Fox Searchlight etc
Makes sense, I'd imagine that Disney doesn't want to be tied to Fox News in branding. As long as the fanfare stays (which seems to be the case going by the report), all is well.
Yeah same here, but they're going with 20th Century Studios instead. :/