Are you some sort of James Bond figure?
It's going to be so bad. Action movie picard will be out in full force.
Who's going to tell him that?Patric Steward is 80 or something. Action picard should be long gone.
Well that would take a bit of timeline explaining since Discovery takes place before the Original Series took place (but after the time of the pilot). Its been my biggest complain about Discovery so far, its supposed to be before the Original Series but the tech and feel of the show seems the most modern timeline yet. I get that it has to feel futuristic to people in today's world and that is why, its just weird to think that was before the button and knobs of the original series.
Patric Steward is 80 or something. Action picard should be long gone.
"Star Trek: The Next Generation" and in a string of four feature films that ended in 2002. The new show is different from its predecessor in nearly every respect — texture, tone, format, production value, even the likelihood of characters dropping an f-bomb. That's all by design. Stewart's design.
I really don't get what some see in S2. It's just as bad as S1, but goes the extra step of actively throwing away the few interesting ideas S1 had.Sounds like a lot of people in here haven't watched Discovery past the first season.
Anyway, I'm glad they're trying to do something different from TNG. If I want TNG, I'll watch TNG. I just want to the show to be good.
Sometimes to good to break outside the mold, if they didn't do the same many years ago we wouldn't have had the awesome DS9 series.
And we've seen this version Trek before, every time they gave Stewart what he wanted (Starship Mine, ...
I mean, that's great, it's good to like things.Um, yeah, I really liked the episode Starship Mine. Go sue me. :)
Very true, but that probably did seem futuristic when it came out in 1966.I'm angry that real life is set hundreds of years before TOS and we have better UIs.
We need Ira Stephen Behr back in the writer's room.I really don't get what some see in S2. It's just as bad as S1, but goes the extra step of actively throwing away the few interesting ideas S1 had.
And we've seen this version Trek before, every time they gave Stewart what he wanted (Starship Mine, Captain's Holiday, Insurrection, Nemesis). It's always been awful.
DS9 is amazing, and if this show reaches those heights then great. But I have my doubts...
I really don't get what some see in S2. It's just as bad as S1, but goes the extra step of actively throwing away the few interesting ideas S1 had.
And we've seen this version Trek before, every time they gave Stewart what he wanted (Starship Mine, Captain's Holiday, Insurrection, Nemesis). It's always been awful.
DS9 is amazing, and if this show reaches those heights then great. But I have my doubts...
Well that would take a bit of timeline explaining since Discovery takes place before the Original Series took place (but after the time of the pilot). Its been my biggest complain about Discovery so far, its supposed to be before the Original Series but the tech and feel of the show seems the most modern timeline yet. I get that it has to feel futuristic to people in today's world and that is why, its just weird to think that was before the button and knobs of the original series.
Sure, that's why Picard is already renewed for season 2. Please stop believing Midnight's Edge and similar online shit rags. If you don't like current Star Trek that's fine, you don't have to but there's really no sign that CBS is unhappy with Discovery, Picard or any aspect of the current statemkfnthe universe. They're quadrupling down in it with three new shows in development (the two cartoons and section 31), it looks like Discovery might already be renewed for season 4 ... they are not unhappy with it, just accept that.The word is CBS are unhappy with it.
It ties in to Discovery too.
The new head of Star Trek is not keen on the state of the universe
Sounds like criticism of TNG during its early seasons.Because it's a dumb show that treats its viewers like idiots, has terrible writing and absolutely no respect for continuity or the shows that came before it.
I'm not saying its a huge deal (to me at least) I take that into account so I understand why they do it. But it is jarring when you have watched them all and know the timelines and lore around everything and it just pulls me out of it a little to think about why the ship is more futuristic that anything we have seen around that timeline or why the klingons look different in almost every generation of the show (love how they joked about that in DS9) and other smaller things.I understand what you're getting at but I never really understood why this is such a big problem. Any piece of fiction is a child of its time, with all the limitations that come with it. If you look back at TNG things are looking really iffy as well. Does that mean that those pieces of media should be a 'definitive version' of the technology/fashion/whatever in that point in time in that fictional universe? No, I don't think so. I do think that it can be done in a tasteful matter; I was pretty happy with how they portrayed the Enterprise in Discovery S2.
I never bought into the supposed ideals of the future society that ended poverty, classism, money, etc. It's clearly shown in the shows that everyone who gets into Starfleet Academy is the 1% versus everyone else. You were either a Starfleet Officer or a complete nobody in that future society, clear classism. Also, the shows had tons of conflict via the human condition showing jealously, greed, prejudice, anger, etc. Somehow they supposedly have an idealllic society, yet we still see individuals who accumulated vast wealth and power versus others who have nothing, does it really matter if currency was supposedly abolished if you still have the super rich in the future while others are barely getting by doing work on a freighter? Sure seems like poverty still exists in their future as well as classism and many other societal problems. Maybe they fixed starvation with free replicator food for all but they still have restaurants on Earth apparently..
I'm glad they moved away from the humans "evolved" too, as the storylines clearly showed human nature was still the same in the far future even if they supposedly solved societal problems on Earth. People were just as "bad" and have the same potential for good, and the shows would be boring if everyone acted like saints. I still don't really believe people just do what they want in the Federation future, there are clearly haves vs have nots. I get wanting to own a restaurant for real food instead of replicator food, but who would enjoy working as a waiter or 2ndary chef if they didn't have to? It's one thing to own the restaurant and/or work as the executive chef vs slaving away at a low level position. Something similar could be said to lower level positions in Starfleet / on starships. Who wants to be the low level maintenance worker working on starship sanitation and other menial tasks who usually are the first to die whenever a fight breaks out, man engineering departments seem to have high casualties for a non-combat unit as engines and other mechanically important parts of a ship are targeted first.Action trek is the worst trek, so we shall see how it goes. Stewart's past opinions on who Picard should be have all been shit, so I am not confident. I will give the show a chance though because I am not as zealous in my views as what is Star Trek as others are.
Supposedly people are doing what they want to do. Old man Sisko had a restaurant because he enjoyed it. Joe Schmo works on a freighter because that is what he wants to do. In a universe with anti-grav lifts and teleporters, I don't think that would be a bad "job," if you can't hack Starfleet but still want to see the galaxy. Though not all humans are in the Federation, so outside of the Federation seemingly humans can get nasty, which puts a big hole in the "humans have evolved" thing. Personally, I have never been a fan of the whole "humans have evolved" though and was happy they backed away from it after Roddenberry passed.
I've been dreading this show since the trailer hit. Deep down I want to believe but all signs point to hot garbage.
The word is CBS are unhappy with it.
It ties in to Discovery too.
The new head of Star Trek is not keen on the state of the universe
Because it's a dumb show that treats its viewers like idiots, has terrible writing and absolutely no respect for continuity or the shows that came before it.
DADDY! :O
This is every single entertainment thread on Era. Ever.What a legend. From some of the responses here I'm going to guess I should probably avoid the show thread when it's airing because there's sure to be a lot of boohoo'ing from people that didn't get what they want.
thank you for exposing yourself as a right wing conspiracy loonThe word is CBS are unhappy with it.
It ties in to Discovery too.
The new head of Star Trek is not keen on the state of the universe
I empathize with Stewart's excitement over returning to TNG characters with a completely different context.
I can't help but think that it's not actually what we need right now. We need Roddenberry's Trek badly. We need to imagine a better future, not a grim isolationist one.
Star Trek stood out because it actually leaned into utopian ideas. That's far more daring today in the age of grimdark grounded sci-fi than it was decades back. And if we need any art to speak to us politically when our present is so grim, it's Trek. The original vision of Trek.
And even from a pure writing perspective, it's just far less interesting to make the federation a militaristic mess. That's the easy way to make conflict. The spark of creativity in Trek was, "what if humans solved all their problems? What happens next?"
Because Patrick Stewart has no interest in doing that.
Sure, that's why Picard is already renewed for season 2. Please stop believing Midnight's Edge and similar online shit rags.
Let's not do this. People should be allowed to be skeptical about a new show and they should be allowed to not like Discovery. Wanting only one opinion to be presented, the positive one, defeats the whole purpose of a discussion forum.
Yeah, this is really eroding my interest in this show. Discovery sucked and now it seems like this is gonna suck too. Between CBS' TV shows and Paramounts dreadful films the future of the series is on shaky ground. Maybe Noah Hawley can make something worthwhile with his movie.