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Van Halen had such tremendous vocals with Sammy and Mikey. Listen to this song and those harmonies...
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Nah this is a fuckin bridge too far. I was on the edge with the Imagine Dragons thread, and then the defense of load and reload in the bob rock thread, but this is it. This is the moment I lose it. Sammy Hagar should have only ever started a tequila company and stayed out of music.
Definitely the minority but I fully support this statement.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who think it but don't feel like getting shouted down by 'Roth only' fans.
First, let's set the record straight. I grew up with Hagar, and fell in love with VH through that iteration. I didn't come to appreciate the Roth catalogue outside of 1984 until I was in my 20s.
Roth was more dynamic, interesting, original, and timeless than Hagar. Full stop. His creative, off-beat melodies fit with Ed and Al pre 5150 like a glove. It was a magical pairing culminating in 1984, a record that stands alone.
All of that established, Dave lost his mind post 1984 and Ed wanted to go in a very different direction with keyboards and less complex melodic sounds. It was never going to work with Dave. Sammy stepped in and knocked it out of the park given where Ed was at the time. He brought a different kind of energy and was able to hit notes Dave could not (as an aside, Dave actually has more range than Sammy as he can go much lower).
Consistently, I largely agree. You didn't get an off night with Sammy. But I will say that if you listen to early VH boots around '80-'82 and carch the right show, the swagger, attitude, and chops are unmatched.
In a perfect world, everything stays the same but instead of Cherone in '96 we get a full album of Dave to follow up on the Greatest Hits tunes (Me Wise Magic and Can't Get This Stuff No More). Those two tracks are massively underated. Humans Being era Ed weak going places and we never got to see it fully play out.
Plus in this world, Ed isn't rejected with VHIII and eventually reunites with Sammy again in 2004. A sober Ed goes on to write a full album or two with Sammy to cap off the career.
What could have been.
It's forever an undeniable blemish. Mike was the glue and his character is unassailable. We got to hear VH without Mike. It was missing it's soul. A Different Kind of Truth, indeed.
I think, for me at least, the fact that my first real introduction to VH was when Hagar was frontman is why I've felt that way. I had heard Jump, Running with the Devil, etc. when I was younger but those songs came on the radio when I was 7 and younger. By the time Right Now came out I was about 15 and I just had a much bigger attachment to Sammy than Dave. When I was younger I always thought Dave was the goofy I ain't got nobody/California Girls guy and was shocked when I found out he was the original VH frontman.
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ok then...
BTW to everyone else... Eddies long solo is right after this song. It's awesome
Listen I have a hatred for Hagar that is neither reasonable or explainable. And it's not that I'm salty about him being in VH as much as I'm salty he exists.
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It can neither be explained nor reasoned with, I dunno. Ever since I was a kid, just didn't like his music
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He gave us Cabo Wabo tequila so it's not all bad I guess
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No doubt.
Roth Van Halen was a hugely influential band and absolutely relevant but Hagar is ten times the singer that crooner Roth is.
Zak Wylde on Eddie at Dimebag Darrell's funeral:
Having to bury his partner in crime was tough enough, but Wylde also had to contend with the bizarre behavior of one of his guitar heroes, Eddie Van Halen, at Dimebag's funeral and memorial service. "I don't know what the hell happened to Ed," he lamented. "He hasn't just gone off the deep end — he's living in Atlantis! I couldn't get in a word without being interrupted by him. If I mentioned God, he'd say, 'There is no God or Jesus, only yes or no.' It was like he thought the whole thing was about him. He wasn't thinking about Dime, or even Vinnie and Dime's old lady, Rita, for that matter. He did put his original black-and-yellow guitar in the coffin with Dime, though. That was cool."
Mikey was always so important to the band.
DLR made awesome records but in concert he was frequently up in his own ego that he forgot to perform.
Hagar made awesome records and gave awesome performances. There were a few concerts I saw him in where he looked tired and didn't bounce around the stage but at least he never sang poorly.
I've always wondered and can't seem to find an answer. I know EVH played lead and rhythm parts but in some songs it sounds like two distinct guitars playing. Surely he could have recorded one track and with it playing he plays the other. But how do they do that in concert? Sammy can play well but there's a lot of EVH stuff he can't seemingly handle.
DLR made awesome records but in concert he was frequently up in his own ego that he forgot to perform.
Hagar made awesome records and gave awesome performances. There were a few concerts I saw him in where he looked tired and didn't bounce around the stage but at least he never sang poorly.
I've always wondered and can't seem to find an answer. I know EVH played lead and rhythm parts but in some songs it sounds like two distinct guitars playing. Surely he could have recorded one track and with it playing he plays the other. But how do they do that in concert? Sammy can play well but there's a lot of EVH stuff he can't seemingly handle.
1-2-3 Lock Box. That is a good jam. In fact, I prefer Sammy's solo stuff over his VH days. There were some good Van Hagar stuff here and there but overall it was a bit sappy compared to the DLR days.
I've always loved the version of Get Up from this, Mikeys' backing vocals are so good on it