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Valve (apparently) rejecting games again that contain characters who appear to be minors in sexual situations
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I mean, this is factually false, as they've been known to ban games that don't have any sort of nudity at all. And they certainly let a lot of other games with much more questionable content slide just fine. It doesn't really seem like they apply that standard at all.
Where are you checking it up? Only found a trailer and GG site.
It doesn't have to be nudity to be sexualized depiction of underage character.
I'm actually totally fine with Steam having 18+ VN's, but it was always going to have growing pains due to some material being illegal in some countries and other material just being a PR mess.
User tags are often nonsense and not to be trusted. If it's true that there are zero fanservice scenes then I don't really see the real issue. Merely having a childlike character in your game isn't wrong by itself.
Now if the dev has a strict definition of fanservice, or that girl is involved in the "sexual jokes" then I have an issue with it.
As for "Valve wouldn't have banned it if it didn't deserve it" - I don't buy this one bit. Manual curation will always lead to mistakes without exception. Valve are no different.
Is this a mistake? No idea.
User tags are often nonsense and not to be trusted. If it's true that there are zero fanservice scenes then I don't really see the real issue. Merely having a childlike character in your game isn't wrong by itself.
Now if the dev has a strict definition of fanservice, or that girl is involved in the "sexual jokes" then I have an issue with it.
As for "Valve wouldn't have banned it if it didn't deserve it" - I don't buy this one bit. Manual curation will always lead to mistakes without exception. Valve are no different.
Is this a mistake? No idea.
False, it's censored not banned. https://store.steampowered.com/app/339800/HuniePop/ Also Huniepop didn't win the category it was voted to be nominated for, the first Witcher game did. https://store.steampowered.com/SteamAwards/2017/
Edit: And if I remember correctly, the dev shared link to uncensor patch on Steam forums which is against the rules of Steam.
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Before or after the rule change?
Not only is it not banned, but they're straight-up selling the nudes/CGs as a DLC package.
Not in terms of sexual abuse from what I read in the review, but more along with gore and death.
I remember a yaoi game got the "change your content or you'll be removed" warning during the last wave. Can't remember the title, but the standard's definitely not consistent.
Oh Jesus... why do visual novels have the most shocking death scenes to me (or at least based on like the 3 I've actually played plus this).Not in terms of sexual abuse from what I read in the review, but more along with gore and death.
So this isn't a porn game, nor are the underage characters in any fan service scenes correct? But are there routes where they die? Cause that might be the reason?
That's what I meant though maybe they banned it because the minor-looking character is subjected to gore scenes during the game which they think could end up causing legal troubles.Not in terms of sexual abuse from what I read in the review, but more along with gore and death.
Also something which I was wondering, that seemed to be a chinese only game, do they even make sure that reviewers for these games know the language? Because if not maybe a minor-looking character subjected to gore scenes without a clear context could result in bannig the game "just to be safe". This is obviously just me speculating.
Personally if I was a reviewer without clear context and without having a way to pass it onto someone who knows the language that's what I'd do to be on the safe side.
It's more that this game features nudity and sexual literacy/innuendo but also has a what is clearly underage girl in it. I'm fine with consensual 18+ nudity but having the two together is just not right in anyone's books.
Just have either or. If you really want to have underage girls as characters then don't fucking make sexually explicit scenarios in the game. May not feature them sure, but it's still the general premise of the game and it adds nothing but creepy paedophilia context to it all. Just make it 18+ woman or men getting the bang on, done.
Which rule change? There have been a dozen.
Huniepop was being sold censored on Steam, and uncensored on porn sites. There was also an uncensor patch for the Steam version available offsite, which was allowed by Valve, because Valve doesn't care what you do to your own games in the privacy of your own home.
Then Valve went and changed the rules and banned Huniepop.
Then Valve changed the rules again and let Huniepop return. Valve said that they didn't want to regulate content, and under the new rules everything would be allowed, so long as it's not illegal.
Now they've changed the rules again and are in another crackdown phase. They no longer care if it's legal or illegal, if they find it objectionable, they'll ban it. This opens up the door to banning plenty of games that should be considered safe.
"Valve would never ban a game that didn't deserve it"? Bullshit. See Valve previously banning Huniepop for no good reason.
Huniepop 2 has been scared away from Steam, and it's dev has said that he'll only put up a censored version.
yeah that's a no for me. I dunno if the game has fanservice but underage characters it surely has.
You don't get it, that's an inmortal witch with over nine thousand billion years, she just happens to have the aspect of a little girl.
I dunno, I'm pretty sure kids having horrible tragic and/or gory deaths isn't exactly uncommon in VNs. I would find it hard to believe none of the VNs on Steam right now have any deaths like that screen.
Source, other than this one game that no one can even agree has objectionable content or not?
Yeah, the sex scene that does exist looks to fulfill a purpose in character development between the main characters, and your choices can determine the fate of other characters. Kinda understandable when the plot brings up a conspirancy that involves aliens, and human experimentation.
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True. But this is valve we are talking about, and they are all over the place with this stuff. Maybe they are denying it now from newer releases since it's brought to their attention but they can't be bothered going back and individual check each one?
How detailed is this? Is this like proper uncensored or is it just implied? That would still seperate this from being a hematite game or just your run of the mill vn.
I mean if there were such harsh scrutiny paid to new releases I have to wonder how just yesterday this got released on Steam (NSFW--screen taken from publisher website where they provide uncensoring patch)
Bare breasts are mention in the review, though censor as there is a tape patch to anyone who wants it. I'll try to see if a full playthrough is available to see if it ever gets more raunchy, though I doubt it as the review doesn't mention anything explicit.
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yeah that's a no for me. I dunno if the game has fanservice but underage characters it surely has.
If it sexualizes these characters then I say it deserves removal.
Valve's going to valve I guess? 😅 Also I'm not sure if she's actually a child or someone that just looks younger. Isn't there some stereotype that asians look like that age slower or something like that? It could just be what their standard of beauty is and so they try to look as young as possible, but I don't know.
Where have you been watching clips? I couldn't find any besides the trailer, would be interested to see too. Or have you just read the review?
How hard is it to have a flag in your steam profile that you have to opt in to view adult "fanservice" games. That way if you don't want to see those kinds of games then you don't have to. That can't be difficult to implement and it satisfies both sides with no detriment that I can see.
Though obviously Valve should be resolute in denying any material sexualizing depictions of children since that stuff has no place on Steam.
Though obviously Valve should be resolute in denying any material sexualizing depictions of children since that stuff has no place on Steam.
You can set your store preferences to include or exclude:
General Mature Content Tick this box if you are okay with seeing games that are intended for mature audiences. These games may have content or themes not appropriate for all audiences such as such as graphic violence, frequent nudity, sexual content, and other mature topics.
Frequent Violence or Gore Tick this box if you are okay with seeing games that contain frequent violence or gory content.
Nudity or Sexual Content Tick this box if you are okay with seeing games that contain some nudity or sexual content.
Adult Only Sexual Content Tick this box if you are okay seeing games that contains sexual content that is explicit or graphic and is intended for adults only.
It also links to example games.
Steam already has this. It's in your store preferences page.
Bilibili, basically China's youtube and best place to find Chinese streams. Can't say your an anime fan if you don't know about that place, as it is a good place to find hard to find content, though it is likely illegal.
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It does sexualize the one on the left atleast, she has sex which isn't shown in graphic detail but she is shown nude.
Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
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I think it's this pretty much, from my understanding it does look like they have a "team" that is set up to review games and they do look into if the game is okay (I also thought they used Google images to see if the game is problematic). They have one person (I forget his name) but that person seems to be the one that "bans" games. I'm not sure if that person is the one that gets final say or if it's a "luck of the draw" type of things were if your "unlucky" and your game gets reviewed by that person and even has any slight hints of problematic content, it will get banned.
So there is probably fighting among staff about what is and is not allowed on Steam.
In the case of Senran Kagura (despite it being censored in the west for PS4 but not the PC version), if it's good enough for Japan (SIE Japan, Nintendo Japan) then we will allow it?
Valve understandably doesn't seem particularly interested in humoring developers that care only about "the letter of the law", so to speak, and not the "spirit". Setting up crystal clear, delineated boundaries only seems to benefit developers interested in pushing those boundaries.
Valve really can't win in the public eye:
- Don't clearly specify boundaries -> they're inconsistent and unpredictable.
- Specify restrictive boundaries -> they're conservative and prudish.
- Specify lax boundaries -> here's my 1000 year old lolis game.
Yeah, I feel the title is misleading and disingenuous. The fanservice isn't the problem, it's the characters' ages.
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It does sexualize the one on the left atleast, she has sex which isn't shown in graphic detail but she is shown nude.
Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
Yeah that's a no from me then.
Christ sake.... What...the...fuck...
I'm totally fine with Valve banning each and every one of these fucked up weirdo pedo anime games. Honestly, they should outright not allow any at all like Sony and Microsoft handle their stores which at worse have stuff like Senran Kagura.
Like, WTF... The shit on that image feels like something that you would find on some fucked up deep web site, not on Steam with a easily accessible patch. Hell, i checked and there is literary a thread with a link for the patch on the Steam discussion forum for that particular game. I thought linking uncensored patches on steam was against the rules or something. I'm gonna go report that post.
That's my understanding too, but couldn't find any official confirmation. Only a dev telling Valve contacted them about it.
I think I found a video that isn't from the demo, and the sex scene was barely anything. This is how it goes:
Step 1: MC finishes taking his bath and sees blue hair girl on the bed, and decides to join her.
Step 2: She takes off her towel showing her nude body, though censor.
Step 3: Fades to dark with pink text popping n the screen.
Step 4: It comes back showing both of them hugging.
Step 5: Climax, with the girl having a surprise face; not an ahegao face to any weirdos thinking straight to that.
Don't expect any wiener dog inserting into a donut hole, as we didn't even get a full body shot of it, only heads all the way through. Also, no voice lines whatsoever. At least no dolphins, I can give it that.
Step 1: MC finishes taking his bath and sees blue hair girl on the bed, and decides to join her.
Step 2: She takes off her towel showing her nude body, though censor.
Step 3: Fades to dark with pink text popping n the screen.
Step 4: It comes back showing both of them hugging.
Step 5: Climax, with the girl having a surprise face; not an ahegao face to any weirdos thinking straight to that.
Don't expect any wiener dog inserting into a donut hole, as we didn't even get a full body shot of it, only heads all the way through. Also, no voice lines whatsoever. At least no dolphins, I can give it that.
Yea that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg.Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
Oh wow, good on Valve thenThanks.
It does sexualize the one on the left atleast, she has sex which isn't shown in graphic detail but she is shown nude.
Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
I hope the gamergater dev let's the door hit him on the way out.
"Fanservice" is codeword for sexualized minors now?
Anime fans need to make their mind up about what fanservice is.
Also, you'll never see my cry over a game that sexualizes minors getting delisted.
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Woooow. Can a mod put this in the OP (cause you know the OP never will)?
Anime fans need to make their mind up about what fanservice is.
Also, you'll never see my cry over a game that sexualizes minors getting delisted.
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Thanks.
It does sexualize the one on the left atleast, she has sex which isn't shown in graphic detail but she is shown nude.
Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
Woooow. Can a mod put this in the OP (cause you know the OP never will)?
Thanks.
It does sexualize the one on the left atleast, she has sex which isn't shown in graphic detail but she is shown nude.
Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
Jesus Christ.
^ This. Valve hopefully continues to delist trash like loli games.
Uh, yeah. That's a child. Just compare the hand sizes, lol. I can see why it's banned.Thanks.
It does sexualize the one on the left atleast, she has sex which isn't shown in graphic detail but she is shown nude.
Edit: Here's a picture of her and the protagonist together. I do agree she seems very child-like in comparison.
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