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Valve’s abandonment of all notable blockbuster franchises and their lack of forthcoming communication has ruined my perception of them(See Staff Post)
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I would have included that but I was under the impression that VR doesn't count as games.
I wouldnt include The Lab because it is clearly just a proof of concept of what VR can do for devs and players.
Yeah I know about that and if it turns out to be a return to form, great.
Nobody is seriously going to suggest Valve's output post Portal 2 has been what the audiences have wanted though, or of the same blockbuster quality as their golden years.
And you can't deny for such a powerhouse franchise there was so little reason for them not to work on Half Life 2 Episode 3 or just Half Life 3.
It's the last big game many wished for like Shenmue 3 & FF7Remake were.
You could go look at any other studio employee's artstation account and see concepts they have created externally that go on to influence the design of their games, to at least the same degree as narbacular drop influencing what would become Portal. Valve have explicitly publicised their hiring process, which is different from other studios, in that they frequently hire on the basis of ability to execute and ship content. You're still maintaining the pretense that employees at other studios somehow only begin having or executing on ideas once they're behind the walls of the studio.
I don't even know what to make of this. It would appear to me that Valve actually has a better-than-average ability to have their staff execute across multiple genres and disciplines given that their staff has delivered single and multiplayer FPS', a MOBA, a card game, controller and VR hardware/software, and their store platform.
Ah yes, I too love to accuse a company that shovels money into open source projects, and Linux specifically, of sitting on their laurels collecting easy money.
Pro tip, when you mention this people just stop responding to you here and don't want to face it.
Well fine, if everyone is happy with Valve's output then so be it, I must've not got the memo.
Waiting for Portal 3 will do that to you. I don't want to imagine what being a Half-Life fan is like.
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valve has made some of my favorite games and then they just stopped making games
it really sucks
and i don't know what else to say about the situation other than that
it really sucks
and i don't know what else to say about the situation other than that
Judging by the player numbers for CS:GO and Dota 2, I'd say most people are pretty happy.
Great! No issue here then, I guess people like the OP and me just need to accept Valve is catering to a different crowd and that's okay.
its been 8 years, stop waiting for something that's not coming out. And stop using it as an excuse to troll.
to be fair, Chris Remo noted in an interview this weekend that he "worked" at Campo Santo and now works at Valve. one could imply that Campo is no longer an active developer.
Shenmue 3 wasn't announced until 14 years later.
Final Fantasy 7 Remake wasn't announced until 10 years after the opening sequence was shown in updated form at the 2005 E3 convention.
The weirdest thing is that there are no hurdles in the way of more Half Life being made that Shenmue 3 or other titles had to over come. (lack of money, worry over the IP selling, amount of time to develop etc)
Valve just... don't wanna make it.
Hopefully the new VR game, if it's real, is something substantial.
Companies, and their talent change. Their motivations and directions change. Look at any of the big developers we grew up with. Outside name, very little of their cores usually remain. It's not their fault, it's our fault for pretending like they're old friends you can rely on.
Now imagine that starting tomorrow, Valve completely drops all future updates for dota2, CS:GO, and TF2. Further, they refuse to share any updates or info on why they've stopped releasing any content for them or supporting them in any way... in fact, they generally act like those games never even existed.
Now you have an idea of how we feel.
Audiences?
More people have played DOTA 2 than probably every non CS game by Valve combined.
So, I'm not quite sure the "people" argument quite checks out.
In fact I'd say it's a vocal minority who want Valve to be like they were 15 years ago.
Fuck it, I'm one of them but that's the breaks.
Half-Life got an update LAST MONTH: https://steamcommunity.com/games/70/announcements/detail/1586880891220596672
Dota 2 is one of the most notable games of all time and they are constantly supporting it.
I don't think I've ever seen such a weird Staff Post.
I'm glad Valve are back with a Half Life game, although it's a shame they took their focus away from making games. That said, Steam saved PC gaming so it's difficult to be too upset.
I'm glad Valve are back with a Half Life game, although it's a shame they took their focus away from making games. That said, Steam saved PC gaming so it's difficult to be too upset.
The staff post was simply a way to clarify what is fair criticism and what constitutes trolling. Nothing more, nothing less. Simply a clarification.
Valve is smaller than Naughty Dog, the latter has nearly 500 devs.
You're waiting for a sequel to a game that had a definitive end? They never showed interest or talked about a sequel. You're waiting for something they dont want to make.
No I'm waiting for a game with a portal gun and new puzzles to solve with it.
The flak Valve deserves is for not behaving like adults for the 10+ years they avoided talking about HL. They'd use codenames (ricochet 2), lame excuses ('not wanting to talk early about the next game so we don't disappoint fans when its delayed') and just behaved as a company that doesn't want to genuinely discuss the subject publicly. It's as if they hoped by keeping quiet, fans will no longer yearn for explanations. That avoidance and complete failure in communication just bred anger and contempt towards Valve.
I sure hope when they announce HLVR, Valve will be prepared to answer and discuss the subject why has it taken so long for the next HL game to appear, how come they aren't making a sequel to Ep2 and are they planning to do one. I suspect boiler-plate responses won't suffice.
I sure hope when they announce HLVR, Valve will be prepared to answer and discuss the subject why has it taken so long for the next HL game to appear, how come they aren't making a sequel to Ep2 and are they planning to do one. I suspect boiler-plate responses won't suffice.
There are plenty of great Portal 1 and 2 mods that fit both those requirements.
What are you hoping to gain by jumping through mental hoops like this. Like why in the world is it so hard for some people to just not
What do you expect, for them to be honest? People wouldn't like that, believe me.
"So we stopped making Half Life games because it's much easier to win 10x more money with Steam. We also gain more money with microtransaction-driven online games like CS:GO and Dota 2. We almost said as much when we said Portal 2 would be the last normal single player we would do.
Because you see you stupid nerds, that's the point of a video game company: not making video games but making profits. That was the whole point altogether".
From the perspective of a console-only player, it makes perfect sense to be disappointed by Valve's direction and output since they very clearly don't serve that market anymore. However, Valve's work in the PC space has been utterly fantastic as the company has put a ton of effort into streamlining PC gaming and introducing extra features to the Steam client. Given the choice between that work and sequels to Valve's hit franchises I would choose the former every single time. PC gaming is a much better platform today than it was ten years ago largely because of Valve.
Because they don't want to hire more people and work/crunch on the same project every day. Both those things are required to make half life 3 as people would want it.
I think I read somewhere that since they started outsourcing and increasing their support, they have grown. But yeah, the base Valve that people want games from is definitely smaller.
That would be the mature thing that a lot of people should do in most cases where a developer isn't making games that you are interested in.
There's a big gap in quality there between Counter-Strike/Dota 2 and Fallout 76/Anthem and whatever the fuck Sea of Thieves was at launch.
If you want to see people drag Valve, look for CSGO discussion near launch or any discussion on Artifact anywhere.
2 of the biggest games currently have come from Valve post 2011. Saying they don't make games anymore just because its not your cup of tea is getting exhausting. Those 2 games are definitely blockbusters.
Also, calling VR games tech demos and trying to dismiss it altogether is embarrassing. The industry needs to be pushed forward and tbh Valve is one of the few that could do it with some serious effort. Hopefully this Half-Life VR games turns out great.
People need to realize Valve are not console centric developers. They constantly talk about their dislike of them and even mentioned being done with them not too long ago I believe. Just move on.
Also, calling VR games tech demos and trying to dismiss it altogether is embarrassing. The industry needs to be pushed forward and tbh Valve is one of the few that could do it with some serious effort. Hopefully this Half-Life VR games turns out great.
People need to realize Valve are not console centric developers. They constantly talk about their dislike of them and even mentioned being done with them not too long ago I believe. Just move on.
I don't think games released around the time Skyrim and mass effect 3 launched helps that comparison..
Valve are the Nicki Minaj of gaming.
Excited to see what this game is about. None of the writing staff that I care about are there though.
Excited to see what this game is about. None of the writing staff that I care about are there though.
I don't think it's valve who aren't acting like adults in this scenario.
Valve released two games in the last year. DOTA2 is one of the biggest damn games in the planet.
I've hated Steam as a client for a good 10+ years now, but I'm sure not complaining about the games.
I've hated Steam as a client for a good 10+ years now, but I'm sure not complaining about the games.
They're only consistently always in the top 3 most played games on Steam every day for years, so I think the audiences may have wanted them.
And to be fair to the former, that wasn't entirely their fault. CSGO before launch and @ launch was basically all Hidden Path Entertainment with input from Valve. After launch Valve took over complete development and turned the game around from the poor state it was in. I guess you could argue it's still their fault for kinda out sourcing it in the first place, but I think they were experimenting with how that would go tbh.