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V (DMC5) is possibly the worst character gameplay wise in an action game.
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Have they made any changes to the bosses that you kill when playing as V but when you play as Virgil? I don't mind V that much but would quite happily play as Vergil for his chapters in future.
Disagree.
I actually liked the slight difference in gameplay since these games have played roughly the same for years+
I actually liked the slight difference in gameplay since these games have played roughly the same for years+
Good post. Fully agree.
I also think the thread title is kind of an interesting innuendo. It is true that V is the worst character in DMCV, and that he is less interesting than Dante and Nero from a gameplay perspective. He simply does not have as many tools or options in most situations. But he is not the worst controlling character action game character nor the one with the worst gameplay.
Like, if we're being charitable and not counting Musou games as action games, we still have Lucia and Dante from DMC2 for pointlessly poor action gameplay. We have Mad World, and FromSoft's Ninja Blade. There are plenty of worse action game characters that play worse and are less coherently and holistically designed than V.
I found him a lot better to play than Dante with his 800 weapons, of which like three were actually good. He was also the person I did the best with score wise so yeah, I loved him. The hate for him and his playstyle is weird to me.
Thread title is also some insane hyperbole. You really must not play a lot of action games if you think V is the worst out of all of them.
Thread title is also some insane hyperbole. You really must not play a lot of action games if you think V is the worst out of all of them.
When your thread title is talking about all action games, the discussion will inevitably involve people talking about how V's not the worst character in an action game when compared to other action games (like say, Yaiba). The poster you responded to was saying that V wasn't the worst in all of action games, and your response was "nope" without a rebuttal and then you shut down further discussion? Like you didn't even ask for other examples? lol
It helps that the style gauge requirements for high style rankings are just generally way more generous with V than they are with either of the other two. The devs clearly knew it was harder to be actually cool with him so they adjusted how style points work for V to make it much easier to get S and higher rankings.
I didn't mind him, honestly, but I also didn't go back to beat the game on higher difficulty levels.
I agree his summons should have been buffed a little for DMD, as they would die too easily. But otherwise hard, but respectfully, disagree there. Loved playing as him because of how fresh and unique he felt. But I also think The Wonderful 101 is Platinums best game despite its flaws so it's possibly I'm also broken in some way.
A low point in an otherwise fantastic DMC. It needed extra tools and far better inputs. There are for sure worse characters in the genre, it's just a shame he's not as succesfully done as his counterparts. At least, he was an original take among the familiar sights of Dante and Nero.
Im surprised more people werent up in arms about him at the launch of the game.
As I was playing through it I was so perplexed anyone though we needed this in Devil May Cry.
Utter trash and I wouldnt willingly ever play as him.
As I was playing through it I was so perplexed anyone though we needed this in Devil May Cry.
Utter trash and I wouldnt willingly ever play as him.
I thought V was more unique and more fun than the overly complicated Dante. I thoroughly enjoyed V.
I still can't believe how many loading barriers there are just to playing a single stage in DMCV. Like the loads are extremely long and there are SO MANY. The game literally puts roadblocks in front of you to play it, which makes replays an absolute chore.
Y'all are wack. V is so fucking good. When you figure out how to combo well with him. Just commanding your shadow creatures while your spouting dramatic poetry is immensely satisfying.
He isn't a slashy slashy sword guy though so a lot of people don't know what to do with him. You cannot just button mash with V and expect to have a good time his gameplay takes a bit of thoughtfulness and strategy but he can absolutely be one of the most flashy and satisfying people to play with in the game.
He isn't a slashy slashy sword guy though so a lot of people don't know what to do with him. You cannot just button mash with V and expect to have a good time his gameplay takes a bit of thoughtfulness and strategy but he can absolutely be one of the most flashy and satisfying people to play with in the game.
V is a mixed bag.
The way he fights is very unique. My problem is how much you have to rely on chance to do combos and could have some moves that do more damage, becuse on harder difficulties it gets a chore to fight behemots or similar demons.
With him it's more about being aware of positions rather than actively manipulating the arena during fights.
The way he fights is very unique. My problem is how much you have to rely on chance to do combos and could have some moves that do more damage, becuse on harder difficulties it gets a chore to fight behemots or similar demons.
With him it's more about being aware of positions rather than actively manipulating the arena during fights.
V is definitely the least fun character to play in DMCV, without question. But that's hardly a knock to him. IMO, V stands as a character that's a pretty fun time. The problem is, ever other character in that game is the best version of themselves to appear in the franchise, and the possible best characters to ever be playable in an action game, mechanically speaking.
I wasn't a huge fan of V but his levels were pretty easy so its not like it was frustrating to deal with or anything.
Won't lie, I haven't played V ever since the DMC5 Co-op Trainer has been available. It all comes down to two major issues:
1.) Shadow's attacks sometimes feeling like they're being interpreted more as suggestions than actual commands. Some of this could easily be remedied by making Shadow's side dodge less penalizing either by cutting the recovery frames after the attack or having Shadow return to his original spot after the dodge.
2.) V not having very much to do himself. They sort of tease at the idea with Royal Fork, but V really needed to have his own stand alone kit. I don't want the guy popping off high times and stingers, but he should've very much been doing the Dormammu thing from MVC; constantly buffering spell charges as he's playing keep away and letting his minions do the work so he can cash in on large battlefield spell effects. Things like rapid fire judgment cuts, full-screen quicksilver, large Hellfire pillars on himself, and some SDT-equivalent special moves and finishers.
/he's still a better playing character than Trish and Lady though.
1.) Shadow's attacks sometimes feeling like they're being interpreted more as suggestions than actual commands. Some of this could easily be remedied by making Shadow's side dodge less penalizing either by cutting the recovery frames after the attack or having Shadow return to his original spot after the dodge.
2.) V not having very much to do himself. They sort of tease at the idea with Royal Fork, but V really needed to have his own stand alone kit. I don't want the guy popping off high times and stingers, but he should've very much been doing the Dormammu thing from MVC; constantly buffering spell charges as he's playing keep away and letting his minions do the work so he can cash in on large battlefield spell effects. Things like rapid fire judgment cuts, full-screen quicksilver, large Hellfire pillars on himself, and some SDT-equivalent special moves and finishers.
/he's still a better playing character than Trish and Lady though.
Yup, V is the reason I won't ever go for the plat. He sucks!!! Hated every second of playing him...
V not being able to set traps for setups is the biggest fuck up in his design
Couldn't agree more OP. Always felt a sense of disappointment when getting to another V section. The gameplay just wasn't satisfying at all.
Honestly think he just needs a bit more development, the ability to ride ALL his summons, easier area-of-effect and maybe the ability to detonate any one summon for big damage. His mobility and speed is awful even with the bird jump but he IMO is so achingly close to being a blast to play as.
I bought the game on PS4 and beat it there. Then I bought the game on PC and haven't bothered finishing it yet because I dread playing as V every god damn time there's a mission with him and don't play the game for months on end. He's fucking horrible. The Sonic Unleashed Werehog of Character Action games. Even Rachel in Ninja Gaiden Sigma is better.
Abstracting directional input to a separate entity in an action game didn't feel great. Getting the beasts to do what I wanted them to sometimes felt like a chore.
Btw, everyone who likes V as a character / storywise should check out the "DMC5 - Visions of V" manga, basically retelling the story from V's point of view with some more backround.
I hated how you couldn't switch between them unless they broke. It would've been way more fun to have a swap button.
Nah bruh, he's fun. Just very different.
I hope he's available in future DMC games with more summons and improved controls.
I hope he's available in future DMC games with more summons and improved controls.
It adds insane variety and loads of specialized combat tools though. Very interesting way to enhance Nero's combat abilities without straying from his core weapon set.
Also the COMPLETE lack of feedback on hits. Like when Dante and Nero hit things you know you hit them. With V half the time you have no actual confirmation that you're doing damage, which isn't helped by the fact that each individual attack is so weak that even when it does connect it's negligible.
He's alright, he's just trapped in two of the most satisfying characters to control ever so he's at a severe disadvantage.
He kind of hampers the games replayability but not much more than all the puzzles and exploration in 3 and 4's everything. Still would pick up DMC5 and replay it any day over the majority of action titles.
He kind of hampers the games replayability but not much more than all the puzzles and exploration in 3 and 4's everything. Still would pick up DMC5 and replay it any day over the majority of action titles.
I'm a more simple kind of player when it comes to DMC.....so having that much kind of turned me away from Nero and just rushed through his sections.
