-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
-
We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
USSR invaded Poland in September 1939? WRONG - says Russian ambassy...
- Thread starter Potterson
- Start date
If it was just "occupied territories" why was half of the polish heartland under soviet territory afterwards?
OP
OP
I wouldn't call realising the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact "letting the Germans take the first step". It was part of the plan.
They literally divided eastern europe with germany before the war started.
I don't think Crimea is really comparable, most Crimeans supported Russian annexation, unlike Poland where I'm pretty sure most opposed it.
OP
OP
Soviet Union invaded Poland on 17th of September 1939. My great-grandfather was killed five days later and his family was later sent to gulags. This was an invasion of the official, legal territory created after World War 1, and many of these lands were under rule of Polish Kingdom in XVIII century, before the First Partition of Poland. The forces near our eastern border were not defeated when USSR came in - USSR forces defeated them and captured hundred thousands soldiers from Polish Army.
Nothing wrong, lol.
Well they did hold it since 1795 and only lost it because they were the losers in WW1. Of course, they didn't have to kill millions of Poles and Jews while they were reclaiming it.
They also held cities like Warsaw and other areas of the Polish heartland too until WWI, I don't know if that's really a valid argument.
If you march your armies into another country, that is considered an invasion, even if you believe it's a justified invasion.
The context is even funnier though. The USSR made an alliance with the literal Nazis to divide Eastern Europe into mutual spheres of influence, which involved not just this invasion of Poland but also the annexation of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, intimidating Romania into ceding Bessarabia, and invading Finland because they didn't agree to a territory exchange that the USSR demanded.
Even if you thought this invasion of Poland was justified ("Ethnic minorities living in Eastern Poland!") that's like being charged for 5 murders and loudly objecting that actually one of those 5 deaths was justified.
Yea, but when you have an army sneaking in one night unnanounced and the next day you call it Russian territory, it's kinda of awkward, no?
Yeah, my reaction as well. One of those posters that will never come back lol
I mean there are literally movies and pictures of germans and soviets celebrating the defeat of Poland together.
Probably Poles in stolen uniforms.I mean there are literally movies and pictures of germans and soviets celebrating the defeat of Poland together.
You can read the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (or Hitler-Stalin pact) yourself, too. It's short.I mean there are literally movies and pictures of germans and soviets celebrating the defeat of Poland together.
https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1939pact.asp
Germany invaded first, Soviet Union about 2 weeks later.
What's going on in this thread...
I think these people are arguing that since the polish government was no more, it was not an invasion but just occupation of territory.
Why people feel the need to make the distinction is beyond me, but anyway...
It's very complicated part of history. I mean "polonization" was also a thing, as well as detention camps, so I wouldn't call Poland as a victim also.
In general, I noticed that in threads like these people usually don't care about Ukrainians and Belarusians at all, nations that were divided between two countries (USSR and Poland). Many families were divided too - sisters, brothers, parents and kids. They literally can't see each other for almost 20 years after 1921 (Treaty of Riga).
In general, I noticed that in threads like these people usually don't care about Ukrainians and Belarusians at all, nations that were divided between two countries (USSR and Poland). Many families were divided too - sisters, brothers, parents and kids. They literally can't see each other for almost 20 years after 1921 (Treaty of Riga).
It was all Poland's fault after all didn't you know? Good guy Russia just wanted to protect some minorities.
Man I had no idea about the Soviet invasion. My schools basically said it was Soviets "to the rescue". Considering that we spent several weeks learning about WW2, shameful this wasn't included.
User Banned (permanent): Inflammatory Whataboutisms Over Multiple Posts in this Thread; Numerous Prior Bans for Inflammatory Behavior
Yeah, fuck Belarusians and Ukrainians. They're not "real" people, like Poles and Russians. /s
User Banned (1 month): inflammatory historical revisionism over multiple posts
It was early 20th century, maps changed almost on a monthly basis, and many countries either lost huge chunks of territory or disappeared altogether. So why would it be strange that opportunistic countries tried to take advantage.
Poland crumbled like a house of cards, they were completely embarrased and outclassed.
What should have Soviets done, let their people in territories occupied by Poland fall into German hands, especially Jews.
Polish government back then were proper bastards, oopressing minorities (to say the least). They bit off more territory than they can chew and it backfired spectacularly.
The tweet is correct.
Germany followed by the Soviet Union. This is recorded chronological fact that no rational source disputes. It's not controversial or confusing.
Or, you know, not invade a sovereign nation and sign a secret pact with Nazi's to split the country in half.