Imagine a couple years from now once the library gets bigger and 2 TB (internal + external) isn't enough. IMagine the price on 2TB-5TB versions of these proprietary cards lol.......
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USGamer: Xbox Series X Will Require Proprietary Cards to Expand Hard Drive Space (USB HDDs still supported for backups and playing BC games)
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On consoles it's going to be a common experience for everyone, so devs will develop with a common denominator. If anyone can use whatever they want then they will have to optimize for slower speeds just like Insomniac had to do with Spider-Man.
The same people thread whining that Lockhart will hold back next gen are in here saying forcing you not to use the ssd is bad ? Bizarre takes everywhere today , you can use your external hd just fine as cold storage - a 1tb hard drive will comfortably hold 8 games at any time for the average consumer that isn't an issue . For those that it is you can buy the expansion slot or deal with quick installing from your mechanical HD .
pretty elegant solution when at one point I was convinced we wouldn't have any external
pretty elegant solution when at one point I was convinced we wouldn't have any external
Lol. Just realized that these are samsung parts. On pcpartpicker, those start at $0.15 a gig at the 1tb level for m.2 NVMe. This isn't going to be cheap.
A lot of concern trolling henny pennys around today i wonder why that is?
Major Nelson responded to the headline grab USG put out to stop bs like it spreading.
Major Nelson responded to the headline grab USG put out to stop bs like it spreading.
it's not going to matter, you can still use USB 3.1 hard drives. this is just an option
1TB of NVMe is close to $200 on PC. This is proprietary, so I expect it to be even more expensive.
It's not really an option because you can't run Series X games on anything other than the proprietary drives
Thats not the issue at all. Idk why you and the other poster are trying to make it as if people don't want SSDs.
What people don't want is for options to be taken away bc of proprietary tech. For instance, being locked out of SSDs they already have because it's arbitrarily not what MS wants you to use.
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Really depends on price. Sony's approach was a crap attempt at gouging + piracy prevention.
why do you need your entire library installed?
in the event that you need it that way for reasons that escape me, you can backup your games on a regular external HDD and transfer them when you want to play them...
Yeah, but only for "cold" storage. Some people who play lots of games at once will want this as an option.
Which is great for those people. For everyone else, they can wait a few minutes to move games over from their storage drive once their 1TB is full.
As long as swapping games back and forth from USB HDD's is fast and easy I really couldn't care less. Make it as seamless as possible and i'll happy take a few minutes to swap out whatever is on the SSD.
I'm guessing they're not going with nvme sticks like I used for my master drive in my new PC since the Xbox Wire article makes it seem like there's a slot for a second SSD internal drive. I was hoping there'd be a way to replace internal drives like on PS4, but maybe these drives are too new and custom built to allow that.
This is silly. There's no way someone actively plays 2-5 TBs worth of games.
Sensible people will store there most played games on the ssd, and store everything else on a HDD - and swap them to the SSD as needed.
yes, but you wouldn't just have slower load times. your game would freeze while you're playing it because it's loading
like this
Many people don't need their entire library at the ready. Some like yourself do.
Yeah, it would defeat the whole purpsose of the box. You'd be crippling your console and not getting what you paid for. Doesn't make a lot of sense...
At most I'm playing like 3 games at any given moment so I dont mind "only" having a terabyte. We all know the pro versions will both ship with a 2TB installed in a few years anyways.
It's my job, so I'm quite high on the list of probably having a TB full at all times. And there are some very avid players.
But most should be fine with an external hard drive for cold storage.
DF answer that, it sounds plausible and not arbitrary, there's innate problems with SSD that MS have attempted to overcome with their specific design.
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currently, yes.
they had a similarly bad solution for something else just about 7 years ago and changed that one up after the bad consumer reaction.
So, is this going to be your reaction when Sony announces the same thing?
People are going to ignore the certification because they've been conditioned too already, especially when the component looks standard. Does anyone really buy the Nintendo Switch approved and branded MicroSD card? You keep it open to standard components, people are going to try and put the wrong components in.
No, it's not just about loading. The way that many games will fundamentally function will be dependent on the performance of the SSD.
You keep saying you understand the reason, yet you keep making it seem like you don't. What the Xbox 360 did with the hard drive is not the same situation as we have here. What we have here is a fundamental requirement with how the system will function based on the expected performance of the SSD. That was not the case with the hard drive on the Xbox 360. So you're comparing apples and oranges.
did you miss the part where i compared it to the Vita?
quite unfavorable comparison. look it up.
can't believe this is going to be how it is... some people defending this shit by their fave because "Sony is doing it too" or "MS is doing it too" but i guess that's the way it always was... that one was especially apparent when Sony started charging for online play and some people immediately flip flopped to defend that shit.
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nah, it's clear to me now what's going on and why this trash decision is being defended by strawmen from corporate ballwashers like every previous vad decision with statements like "you don't understand" when it's been clearly stated that yes, yes we do understand. it's for the money. period.
I suspect that you'll be able to just select a backed up game to play and it will take a few minutes to copy it over to the SSD so you can play it. I think I calculated it right...a 50GB game should take around 7 minutes to restore to the SSD.
Also, you can find 1TB NVME SSDs for a lot cheaper than $200.
So you don't understand, got it. Thanks for stating so here.
In fact your point about how they went from a proprietary hard drive to non proprietary from Xbox 360 to Xbox One as a sign they learn their lesson supports what I'm saying too. If they learned their lesson, then there must be another reason behind the decision where it became a necessity.
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They have to design it so its plug and play, so console players wouldn't have to install it the way we PC users install the NVMe ssd. Considering the lack of PC technical knowledge around here, I think Microsoft made the right choice.
There has to be something in place, since they state the older system will be able to play the first round of new games. I'm assuming PCs would be fine.
Not really. We know that when proprietary storage comes along, so does an over-inflated price tag.
This is one thing I honestly can't stand, this whole mentality of "oh, we've had SSDs on PCs for years! What's the big deal?"
The big deal is that outside of Star Citizen, there hasn't actually been a game (to my knowledge) that's actually been designed for SSDs. All we've been doing for years is loading HDD games faster. That's going to change and it's going to be huge.
edit: Forgot to make my point. The only way to initiate that change is to give developers consistent performance they can depend on always having. Allowing anyone to stick whatever random drive they find on Wish would defeat the entire purpose.
Yeah, that's true. I just did the math on the USB 3.0 benchmark transfer speed (5 Gbps). Folks are likely getting well below that.
Nobody actually "needs" that.
I have no external storage for any of my consoles, and if I wanted it, I would buy it.
You're not going to get the full bandwidth of USB 3.0 either. You're going to be limited to how fast it can be read off the HDD. Doing a quick and dirty test, I was getting about 80 MB/s copying from my USB 3.0 HDD to an internal PCIe 3.0 NVME SSD. At that rate, it's going to take more than 20 minutes. That's also consecutive read from a single large file. That doesn't factor in the hit for multiple files.
The Xbox Series X supports 120MB/s through USB according to Digital Foundry. A SATA 3 7200 RPM drive can hit 150MB/s but will be bottlenecks by the USB interface.
50GB = 50000MB
50000 MB / 120 MB/s = 416.6s
416s = 6.9 minutes
This is ideal conditions though. It'll take a little longer, likely.
No.
"You can continue to use your existing USB 3.1+ external hard drives on Xbox Series X and you can run Xbox One, 360 and OG Xbox games directly from the external USB HDD," explains a Microsoft spokesperson. "Games optimized for Xbox Series X and the Velocity Architecture need to be run from the internal SSD or the Expandable Storage Drive."
Weird how people want the latest tech but aren't willing to pay for it. Looks to me Microsoft is giving out options. How much do you want this thing to cost because having a 2TB or larger internal HDD is just adding to an already impressive package.
My thoughts exactly. At 100MB/s (reasonable for an HDD) in 10 minutes you can transfer a 60GB game which isnt perfect but manageable (starts transferring, go take a shower/eat... profit). Id rather have a 4TB HD than another 1TB SSD.
I think it's more that not all NVMe SSD's are created equal. If you're designing around the lowest common denominator, it doesn't matter if you let the users upgrade using their own hardware, since whatever they have will either be the same speed or faster. The SSD's in the new consoles are not the lowest common denominator.
They did it to get the best gaming performance which is a benefit to me the consumer. Also no one said you can't criticize a company, it's when you throw around phrases like "there's no reason they can't", "there are no excuses for" or "there are plenty of ways to" that makes you look foolish. You have no clue what the technical limitations are or what their goals require. You can question it without making it sound they are doing this for no reason beyond greed. That's exactly why I linked you to that thread where those kinds of phrases get thrown at developers all the time by people that have no idea what the developer has done internally to reach the decision they did.
Microsoft's practices have been very consumer friendly since Phil took over, so I would question the fact that they did this simply to squeeze money out of people. Their track record recently hasn't shown that to be the case. All companies want you to buy their product, that doesn't always mean shady business practices are the reasons behind all their decisions.
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