-
Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
US PoliEra 2021 |OT 3| Rage Against The Manchin
- Thread starter SSF1991
- Start date
- Status
Look, since the Democrats didn't have the luck to be a left-leaning party in power after World War II in Europe where the populace was ready for world-changing things and also was entirely white, they can never be a left-leaning party. Give Europe in 1950 with a 15% non-white population and they never pass universal programs either, as we're seeing in Europe right now.
100% agree. Also people who hold up Western European governments and social services as a paragon of virtue are just as racist as their American counterparts and have been discriminating against PoC immigrants.
But, we didn't go as far as Sweden did in 1965, so none of that matters, obviously.
I am not arguing that they are right-wing. That'd be incredibly stupid.Ah yes many people aregue that Labour is actually rightwing.
I am arguing that they have been moving to the centre ever since Keir Starmer took over the party and they recently expelled everyone associated with the magazine The Socialist Appeal. They have been leaning much harder into the right wing faction within the party and that makes them more centre.
Paywall sites, lovely. Also posting this bendy charty thingy without explaining it is kinda pointless cause right now it says literally nothing.
Opinion | What Happened to America’s Political Center of Gravity? (Published 2019)
The Republican Party is farther right than U.K.I.P. and France’s National Rally, according to an analysis of their platforms.www.nytimes.com
The Democrats are not right in any sense of the word. Merely arguing that if you're capitalist you're not left is stupid. Soc Dems exist by default.
Hah, solid comeback, really got me there on the edge sonny. I yield to thy American supremacy of political discourse.
Last edited:
People having to pay a couple dollars more for gas and not being able to get a few items at the grocery store makes them angrier at the President than being openly, brazenly corrupt, racist, anti science, laughably incompetent, and a total embarrassment and clown on the international stage.
A twice impeached, worst POTUS in history contender never saw approvals/disapprovals this bad until his last couple of days I think. Mostly for things completely out of his control.
This country is something else.
A twice impeached, worst POTUS in history contender never saw approvals/disapprovals this bad until his last couple of days I think. Mostly for things completely out of his control.
This country is something else.
I mean, for a majority of the country, a corrupt, racist POD President doesn't really affect them. Gas prices do.
Like, personally, as an edging closer to middle age white dude in Seattle, who still isn't financially secure, but who doesn't live paycheck to paycheck, my actual life hasn't really changed from Obama to Trump to Biden.
I've seen no good arguments other than vague quotes from someone half the leftist wanted ejected for daring to say "vote Biden" and vapid single statements.
I actually supported my idea with charts and data.
Most voters are well to do white folk like myself.
We are inherently selfish creatures.
Charts and data you clearly don't understand how to read.
Since you seem to have forgotten to respond, I am just gonna ask straight:
How did you read this chart? The one you interpreted as the Democratic Party being "left".
The dems are right next to Labour in that chart.
That automatically means they cannot be rightwing.
Well using some people's logic that's fine as long as they hate capital. They're still left.
That's actually the Social Democrats - the Socialist People's Party is part of the coalition, but not the major supposed "class-first" party.
No, come on, Labour just needs to go back to the glory days of the 60's when *checks notes* basically half the party wanted not to be part of an European trading agreements, were against immigration, and incredibly socially conservative because their constituents were coal miners or factory workers.
Trump had approval ratings this low or worse for most of 2017. He had a 34% rating by May of 2017.
That's not much different from Dems who have, when in charge of major metropolitan areas, enacted policies that have long put Black and Brown bodies in prisons.
They are, by every single sense of spatiality, literally to the RIGHT of the British Liberal Democratic party, a centre-right party in the UK!
By YOUR very argument, using YOUR chart, the way YOU read it, they are on the RIGHT side of the centre! You have no idea how to read this chart and interpret it!
And you don realizeThey are, by every single sense of spatiality, literally to the RIGHT of the British Liberal Democratic party, a centre-right party in the UK!
By YOUR very argument, using YOUR chart, the way YOU read it, they are on the RIGHT side of the centre!
A) This was done in 2019. When Corbyn was still in charge.
B) The Dems have gotten even more left and progressive since then
C) Most people describe the Lib Dems as center or left of center.
The dems being left of center seems right to me!
The poll numbers wouldn't even bother me much if I was confident that his approvals would steadily tick up as gas prices eventually come down and supply chain issues ease. But the American people are so fucking dumb that I wouldn't be surprised if Biden gets no credit for things a Republican would.
Trump enjoyed constant high marks on "the economy" solely because of the DOW and the stupid myth that he was a genius businessman. The DOW is soaring under Biden and he gets slaughtered.
Trump enjoyed constant high marks on "the economy" solely because of the DOW and the stupid myth that he was a genius businessman. The DOW is soaring under Biden and he gets slaughtered.
User Banned (5 Days): Hostility, history of similar behavior
You absolutely fucking baffle me with how much you try to bullshit your way out of this.
I wouldn't bet on that poll being all that far off.
gonna be hard for biden to win independents back, cause theyre morons who probably consider getting out of Afghanistan "a disaster".
Is this sarcasm based on what most in here were saying about the McCauliffe/Youngkin polling?
People are pissed because goods/gas/food costs have skyrocketed. President always gets the blame from the public.
They are, by every single sense of spatiality, literally to the RIGHT of the British Liberal Democratic party, a centre-right party in the UK!
By YOUR very argument, using YOUR chart, the way YOU read it, they are on the RIGHT side of the centre!
The LibDem's are such a center-right party that got a giant chunk of the youth vote that later supported Corbyn in the ancient days of...2010. Because rhey supported centre-right things like no student fees and getting out of Iraq. The LibDem's are the pro-EU, socially liberal party.
You baffle me with your insistence on denying reality.
Have a nice day.
Throw it on the pile.
All that matters is it seems like the hit in support is dems and independents. Biden and the dems can salvage this.
If Covid and supply issues go away.
How does being right-wing fit with being with or against the EU? That's a nationalist trait. The EU is a business beneficial trade alliance first and foremost, something that is very pro with right wingers. And most especially so with free-market liberals.
You are right now actually denying the reality of your very own chart you submitted as evidence to your own point that when confronted how you misinterpreted it decided to just flip on its own head in how you wanna read it....
Yup, fuck this.
"I am alive, but with less support to live than last year even though I get a monthly check for now and I accepted free access to a defense against serious illness and death. My transportation and home heating and electricity and food bills are already higher and all are headed in only one direction into next year - much higher. I got a job in September but I'm so far behind in rent, I applied for the assistance program but the landlord still wants to kick us out.
I can't get day care because they closed because they don't have enough help and couldn't get enough food supplies. Schools are no longer online and my kid caught a bad cold so someone had to take them to get tested, which is more involved these days because the schools have to know everything and track what may spread (covid, strep, etc.) then stay home with them until they recover - there's three days of lost work (can't work from home anymore, they make us go in) plus transportation and medical costs, but it's "only" a cold.
My elders are still lonely, worried, and more isolated than they want to be in order to preserve their health through the winter. They need to be walked through the process all over again in order to get a booster shot. I will have to take time from work to make sure they get boosted and are not alone while recovering from side effects.
Worrying and losing sleep about all of this may endanger my own health. Meanwhile for months they have been arguing over two bills, neither of which are capable or purposed to help my family through the holidays into next year. "
I know people who are in these very situations. The eldercare and sick kid care are right out of my own experiences, not to mention my monthly spending power beginning to decrease by hundreds of dollars thanks to inflation and supply pressures. The pressure to deliver a happy holidays for my household is high.
So which direction do you think his approval ratings are going to go? And how is all this so hard to understand?
I can't get day care because they closed because they don't have enough help and couldn't get enough food supplies. Schools are no longer online and my kid caught a bad cold so someone had to take them to get tested, which is more involved these days because the schools have to know everything and track what may spread (covid, strep, etc.) then stay home with them until they recover - there's three days of lost work (can't work from home anymore, they make us go in) plus transportation and medical costs, but it's "only" a cold.
My elders are still lonely, worried, and more isolated than they want to be in order to preserve their health through the winter. They need to be walked through the process all over again in order to get a booster shot. I will have to take time from work to make sure they get boosted and are not alone while recovering from side effects.
Worrying and losing sleep about all of this may endanger my own health. Meanwhile for months they have been arguing over two bills, neither of which are capable or purposed to help my family through the holidays into next year. "
I know people who are in these very situations. The eldercare and sick kid care are right out of my own experiences, not to mention my monthly spending power beginning to decrease by hundreds of dollars thanks to inflation and supply pressures. The pressure to deliver a happy holidays for my household is high.
So which direction do you think his approval ratings are going to go? And how is all this so hard to understand?
All far-right parties in Europe are anti-EU.
I guess those young voters who overwhelmingly supported Corbyn and were also pro-EU don't know the EU is an evil neoliberal organization that does things like...allow people to work in other countries and not allow countries to protect industries in First World countries from competition. Look at all the great things the Tories are doing now that they're out of the evil hands of the EU like...limiting civil rights because there are no longer EU rules they have to follow.
Yes, I know the left-wing arguments against the EIU, but they're silly and based on a nostalgic view of the past.
Exactly. People need to really look/step outside their bubble.
Okay, first of all, would love a source of where you got this chart.
Secondly, do you know what the word "Median" means? It is the mathematical term when you split a material of variables into two equal sizes of number of variables. The median here in this chart isn't "the centre of the political scale between left and right", it is the centre of two equally sized number of parties to the left and right of that line. If you were to split this into left and right on the political scale it would look more like this.
You have yet to show me one of these "experts".
I have one (out of many, many more):
They are. Deal with it.
You're arguing that UK Labour, a party recently helmed by Jeremy Corbyn, is a right wing party?
You're free to argue this, but you should understand that this is a silly assertion and isn't really worth discussion. You need to go outside and get some perspective with people if you think your definition of "center" is at all realistic
I never said such a thing. Jesus, want me to get the spirit level and make sure that the line is absolutely perfectly straight? I drew it in haste to make a point about specifically the Democratic party on this crappy chart that was given to me with the most wrongful intention.
If you want me to truly answer this question, again cause I bloody did it in a post earlier on this very page, no, they (the Labour party of the UK) are not right wing (as in right wing on the political scale and not right wing on the median scale of that chart) but they are certainly heading away from the left towards the centre (of the political scale) and could soon very well step over that line to the other side. It doesn't matter who these people of the "outside" I would take it up with, I am speaking on manners of internal political affairs within the Labour party. Dunno how well you follow the news but Jeremy Corbyn ISN'T the party leader any more. And since he isn't in charge any more, things change! The party is engaging in a leftist expulsion and slowly disbanding the left faction within the party. They specifically targeted anyone and everyone who wrote, subscribed to or even spoke any words of support to The Socialist Appeal and purged them from the party. If that isn't a internal political move of the party from the left towards the right, what the fuck is? And this might blow your mind, but this shit can change over time when it comes to political parties!
I am already sick, tired and done with this thread. Jesus fuck...
This left right shit is nonsense. What does a party stand for? What is their platform? Those are the things that matter. You could flip the charts around and it would still make as much sense.
Morris County (my county, actually) has been moving to the left ever since 2016. We elected our first Democratic rep (11th Distric) since 1985 in 2018 and again in 2020. 2016 the county went for Trump by a small margin, and in 2020 it went for Biden by a decent margin.
Interesting to look at it and compare, but not really useful in the context of what is happening right now and coming up next year. I wish democrats could just point to it and say, "People hated Trump more!" but that's not going to get the job done.
Lots of work to be done to get those numbers back up in the next year.
Isn't that big line going down the middle of the chart marking where center is? If not it's a really peculiar chart!They are, by every single sense of spatiality, literally to the RIGHT of the British Liberal Democratic party, a centre-right party in the UK!
By YOUR very argument, using YOUR chart, the way YOU read it, they are on the RIGHT side of the centre! You have no idea how to read this chart and interpret it!
No, but it tells us that this is really just thermoclastic movement.
Which is good news.
Causing splintering and prone to failure?
That would not be good news, but I don't think that's what you meant to say.
Yes the votes are still retrievable and achievable, but not by just waiting out the inflationary period. And certainly not by writing off rural areas as unreachable.
That would not be good news, but I don't think that's what you meant to say.
Yes the votes are still retrievable and achievable, but not by just waiting out the inflationary period. And certainly not by writing off rural areas as unreachable.
The worst case was the suburbs go back to GOP AND the rurals are lost.
This is thankfully not the case seemingly.
OP
OP
I am 100% certain that it was McAuliffe's flawed campaign and parenting comments during the last debate that had been the main reason why he lost.
This was not as nationalized a race as I think people thought it was. Comparing Murphy's campaign and McAuliffe's campaign feels like comparing night and day...=/
But the actual swing in both states was pretty uniform, NJ is just a bluer state than VA. Also some polling had suggested McAuliffe might underperform the other Democrats statewide, but he really didn't and the Dems were just wiped out completely.
i still don't think the swing in NJ's race was a big deal due to historical precedents. you can say "NJ is a blue state, it shouldn't have been close", but thats ignoring the STATE's politics not its federal politics. if anything i think murphy winning is a good sign for 2022. it balances out the lost in VA.
- Status