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US PoliEra 2021 |OT 3| Rage Against The Manchin
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Oh yeah TV, Streaming, and Youtube see at least a couple a day between the platforms. Mainly talking about jobs and climate change
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...I really feel like the GOP would be a permanent minority party if they didn't have those unfair institutional advantages. That party is just...so fucking incompetent.
Something that I don't think gets attention in the gerrymandering mess is what is happening in Wi, MI, and PA. They have Dem governors now, unlike 10 years ago. If better maps do prevail in these states, that could result in Dems being able to get some more seats. It's not a guarantee, but it can happen.
Hospital staff must swear off Tylenol, Tums to get religious vaccine exemption
Hospital staff must swear off Tylenol, Tums to get religious vaccine exemption
Hospital CEO aims to educate staff on the full scope of what they're claiming.
arstechnica.com
"the hospital wants to ensure that staff members are sincere in their stated beliefs"? They can't even point to a religious tenet they are following. Outside of being a Jehovah's Witness, citing religious grounds for not taking the vaccine is about most transparently insincere excuse out there.
My understanding is that a lot of states (or at least, a lot of hospital systems) are allowing a simple attestation from a pastor as sufficient evidence. I agree that it's motivated by conservative identity, not religion, but I think most people will be able to get around it. That said, they'll still have to get weekly tests, possibly at their own personal expense.
Latest independent commission map produced today in MI favored republican control of both houses of legislature in the state. Hoping they can change some things before finalization.
Thought for she'd be one of the "get the shot let others die" people but I guess it makes sense she was a true believer.
I've been one of the loudest proponents of the manchin cycle here but i'm losing confidence. I really hope the progressives in the House dont budge and tank the whole thing if need be. Fuck it all.
Lucky progressives have leverage. What matters if they are willing to use it. It would seem that progressives have to be willing to stall or vote down the bipartisan infrastructure bill if they are willing to keep it close to 3.5 trillion. I think the moderates want to the bipartisan infrastructure bill more than the progressives it might be possible to pressure the moderates if they stall or willing to vote the bipartisan bill down.
He's trying to kill the climate change provisions. Ultimately I think this is what it's all about.
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This is fucking ridiculous.
He was fine with this just a few months ago. He was fine with the bipartisan bill passing if it meant that a reconciliation bill passed too. The progressives had no problem with that, and this was agreed upon. All of a sudden, he's against the former, and Dems have had to deal with centrists and moderates regarding the latter.
I honestly thought it would be the progressives in Congress that would be a thorn in Biden's side for getting things passed due to the feeling that "this bill isn't enough", but they've been relatively okay with things, even when it hasn't gone perfectly. it ended up being the centrists and moderates being an absolute pain in the ass.
Problem is I'm not convinced Manchin actually cares THAT much about the infrastructure bill passed. I think he wants it to happen but not if it means passing a 3.5 trillion dollar reconciliation bill too. PSA touched on this recently but if the House progressives kill infrastructure because Manchin is killing this bill, he might be fine to just go home and say, hey, I tried to get something done and have that be it.
I mean centrists were the ones who fucked up the ACA so it's not particularly surprising.
Radical moderates are a pox on our political system.
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I really don't think he cares at all. And I highly doubt he cares about any leverage the progressives have either.
I'm really fucking sick of them. I really hope the midterms can make them irrelevant by expanding the Dem congressional majorities...but I guess we'll see.
Well right now the bill in alot of ways is in the Senates hands when they come back Monday, Manchin and Biden and the rest are still actively talking and the meeting seemingly was friendly and everything just like the bill in March
The House bill most likely wasn't gonna be the bill that passes it be whatever comes out of the Senate though now Schumer and Pelosi are getting involved now that the house stuff is done to help craft whatever comes from the Senate to make sure it can pass the house.
Going by Sahil:
As Sanders and Manchin clash, Democratic leaders play it cool
Asked about the Vermont senator's insistence on $3.5 trillion in spending, Manchin replied: "God bless him."
www.nbcnews.com
This is exactly it. He hates the climate change provisions because the oil industry lobby hates it to. Everything else he said about inflation or the deficit is just a cover for that as was evident when he couldn't make an argument when asked about it.
If Manchin wants the climate change provisions gone then I Really hope he loses his senate seat for being such a piece of shit. I know we like to point out how democrats wouldn't have a majority in the senate without him or Sinema who should also lose her senate seat. But I believe if those two lose their job as senators it would send a clear message that their type are no longer welcome in the party.
Just a decade ago democrats had to contend with a dozen manchin types but now it's just a handful so it is better for them to go altogether.
Just the thought of a lone member of your own damn party sinking a potential once in a generation piece of desperately needed legislation makes your blood boil. Because you know if Manchin gave the green light that asshole Sinema would be a yes too.
A Democrat in a shithole, irrelevant state giving the middle finger to a President of his own party and the tens of millions of American's who put him in the majority. Frustrating as hell.
One man in West Virginia can doom us to inevitable GOP control just because he feels like it.
A Democrat in a shithole, irrelevant state giving the middle finger to a President of his own party and the tens of millions of American's who put him in the majority. Frustrating as hell.
One man in West Virginia can doom us to inevitable GOP control just because he feels like it.
Expand our majorities...with more moderates lol
I'd rather we keep Manchin and also flip PA and WI to make his vote irrelevant. Always better to have at least one extra Dem in our pocket vs. an extra Republican, even if it is Manchin (and also provide a small buffer for when he inevitably loses).
I would also say nothing has changed even with that report Manchin is where he is and the real stuff with the bill won't begin till Monday now that the House committees are finished with it.
The real work now begins in the Senate.
The real work now begins in the Senate.
Go for it. It's not worth checking in every moment of the day. We'll be here when you come back.
Excellent news, Im increasingly feeling quite good about redistricting.
Take a look at this abomination of a redistricting map the Michigan independent commission just released:
8-5 Republican in a Biden state. This is supposed to be fair and equal, no? These people have no idea what they're doing.
Look at that one district that stretches from the western Upper Peninsula down to just above Lansing 😂
8-5 Republican in a Biden state. This is supposed to be fair and equal, no? These people have no idea what they're doing.
Look at that one district that stretches from the western Upper Peninsula down to just above Lansing 😂
Manchin needs to, in the words of Jessie J, forget about the price tag.
We just wanna make the world dance!
We just wanna make the world dance!
This is my current rep. I'm honestly upset he's leaving because a crazy will replace him.
Stop following the pointless day to day political drama, read more theory.
We've been trying to communicate this for years, but it was never going to be the progressives who sunk the Democratic Party after Trump was elected in 2016. Any progressive at the national level is a pure pragmatist today, even to the point where they run afoul of progressive values in an attempt to fall in with the rest of the party and get slagged on by the left in response.
It's not even really the moderates who're the problem.
Centrism vs. moderation. Most of the people who're objecting to this are in very safe blue districts. Lots of moderate Trump district Dems are supporting the legislation.
Moderate is a description of an ideological preference; they believe in policies that are closer to the center, but on the (perceived, anyway) merits of those policies. Centrism is an identity, and it pushes you to be in the middle of the two groups, reality of the situation be damned. Klobuchar is a moderate, and she's moved on stuff, because she can be convinced on the merits. Manchin is a centrist, and as such, cannot be persuaded by appealing to the particular outcomes of any given decision.
Centrism vs. moderation. Most of the people who're objecting to this are in very safe blue districts. Lots of moderate Trump district Dems are supporting the legislation.
Moderate is a description of an ideological preference; they believe in policies that are closer to the center, but on the (perceived, anyway) merits of those policies. Centrism is an identity, and it pushes you to be in the middle of the two groups, reality of the situation be damned. Klobuchar is a moderate, and she's moved on stuff, because she can be convinced on the merits. Manchin is a centrist, and as such, cannot be persuaded by appealing to the particular outcomes of any given decision.
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