I don't really understand the revised change to gerrymandering. Is this better or worse than was originally proposed? Gerrymandering is by far the number #1 issue that needs to be addressed, if nothing else.
This is the same guy who said Maxine Waters assaulted him when video showed she touched his arm.'Pelted with two eggs (that missed)' is real 'I was assaulted because someone prodded me and it really hurt' energy.
I don't really understand the revised change to gerrymandering. Is this better or worse than was originally proposed? Gerrymandering is by far the number #1 issue that needs to be addressed, if nothing else.
The original proposal was forcing independent commissions on every state. The new proposal that Manchin is on board with is making a federal gerrymandering standard with mapmaking criteria every state is to follow, and empower the federal court system to enforce that criteria.I don't really understand the revised change to gerrymandering. Is this better or worse than was originally proposed? Gerrymandering is by far the number #1 issue that needs to be addressed, if nothing else.
What? I'm saying both sides have floated it AND it had been done before. I'm not saying what Ted Cruz says is good. It's the fact that both sides agree it can be done. The reason they don't do it is because they worry what the other side will do once it's done.
Said Senator wasn't deprived of anything, in that case. It wouldn't make it to SCOTUS, no federal court will rule that a Senator was deprived of a vote especially since said Senator can get 60 votes to overrule Harris. Federal Courts have ALREADY said things like the filibuster are "political" questions. SCOTUS hasn't taken up the various cases alleging that the filibuster is unconstitutional precisely because they don't want to court order rules for the Senate. They don't want to get into separation of powers when it comes to things like Senate rules. If they did, they already have had plenty of ample opportunity. And if they did, it opens them up to be retaliated against by Congress. SCOTUS has frequently said the very thing you don't think it will. "We don't wade in on political questions" and has ruled as such.
Since the rules allow for what I suggest, you'd have to sue the Senate itself which will be ruled immune from such a suit. So this isn't really a question for the courts. Here is what a Federal court said about the filibuster, for example:
The Senate makes its own rules. The Senate rules say the Parliamentarian issues advice which can be accepted or rejected. The Congress Budget Act says the Presiding Officer decides what is extraneous. It's pretty open and shut.
SCOTUS isn't a boogeyman that will destroy the separation of powers because it suits their political ends. The Senate is constitutionally a majority-rule body that writes its own rules. If 50%+1 Senators vote that the parliamentarian is dumb and has to do a handstand until a bill passes then the SCOTUS has nothing to say about it. It doesn't concern them at all and it never has in the history of the U.S. May as well worry about them declaring the Legislative and Executive branches defunct and themselves the sole government of the nation.
Trump's SCOTUS was installed specifically to steal the election for him and dismantle the ACA and it didn't even do either of those things. It's poised to kill Roe v. Wade, which is literally just striking down previous SCOTUS decisions which has happened many times. It doesn't seem particularly interested in killing actual legislation. Mainly executive actions and prior decisions.
I agree, SCOTUS has declined to rule on many cases because they are "political questions." What I am claiming is that this current SCOTUS is very happy to do that when the alternative is helping Democrats, but would be much more inclined to take the case if the result would be helping Republicans. One of the reasons the Courts haven't granted relief in similar cases, like Common Cause v Biden or Blumenthal v Trump, is because the plaintiffs couldn't demonstrate particularized injury. It would be much easier to demonstrate that in this case.
Consider a hypothetical: VP Harris walks into the Senate, takes her position as President of the Senate, and just randomly declares that the bill received 50 votes, even though a vote wasn't even held. She then sends the bill to Biden and he signs it. What happens? Clearly, there must be some recourse. But if the President of the Senate and the President of the United States work together to illegally pass a law, to whom could we possibly turn? Obviously, SCOTUS would have an interest in this case. Obviously, SCOTUS would need to determine whether or not the law was broken in the passage of this bill. Obviously, they would find that the actions were illegal, and the subsequent bill would be ultra vires. Any defense from Harris that her decision was "internal Senate procedure, protected from interference by the Court" would obviously be ridiculous!
Obviously, we're talking about Harris doing something far less ridiculous than that, when it comes to ignoring the Parliamentarian. But if we've established that the Supreme Court does have an interest in ensuring that bills passed out of the legislature were legally passed, then that's all that's needed.
I should be clear, I don't think it's a good argument they'd be making in court. I, also, think a reasonable Justice would conclude that the law was not broken here. But I think, if the five lunatics we have on the Court were presented with an opportunity to put a stop to one of Biden's major policy agenda items, and the only thing they had to do was rule that some small piece of parliamentary minutiae was violated and that more deference must be paid to the parliamentarian, they would do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they haven't stepped in to weaken the filibuster before does not reassure me that they wouldn't step in to strengthen the filibuster now. I think the legal claim that a GOP Senator could make would be pretty weak, but I think it would be far less ridiculous than many other cases that we've had come through our legal system in the last few years.
Ignoring the parliamentarian is COMPLETELY legal. It just would never happen, as you'd lose the moderates from your 50 votes the second you did that.
This would be breaking the rules of the Senate and thus need intervention. Ignoring the Parliamentarian is not breaking the rules of the Senate.
The Parliamentarian is not a question of law. Its existence is not enshrined in any law. It's purely a question of Senate rules which may be changed at any time at the whim of a Senate majority. There is no basis for any case there.I agree, SCOTUS has declined to rule on many cases because they are "political questions." What I am claiming is that this current SCOTUS is very happy to do that when the alternative is helping Democrats, but would be much more inclined to take the case if the result would be helping Republicans. One of the reasons the Courts haven't granted relief in similar cases, like Common Cause v Biden or Blumenthal v Trump, is because the plaintiffs couldn't demonstrate particularized injury. It would be much easier to demonstrate that in this case.
You can't just dismiss any Judicial intervention on Congressional matters as "destroying the separation of powers." The Judiciary's ability to rule on the questions of law is part of the balance of powers! SCOTUS has absolutely gotten involved in matters internal to the Legislative branch before. This isn't some rubicon that they've never crossed, it's a thing they've done before, and would do again if asked.
Consider a hypothetical: VP Harris walks into the Senate, takes her position as President of the Senate, and just randomly declares that the bill received 50 votes, even though a vote wasn't even held. She then sends the bill to Biden and he signs it. What happens? Clearly, there must be some recourse. But if the President of the Senate and the President of the United States work together to illegally pass a law, to whom could we possibly turn? Obviously, SCOTUS would have an interest in this case. Obviously, SCOTUS would need to determine whether or not the law was broken in the passage of this bill. Obviously, they would find that the actions were illegal, and the subsequent bill would be ultra vires. Any defense from Harris that her decision was "internal Senate procedure, protected from interference by the Court" would obviously be ridiculous!
Obviously, we're talking about Harris doing something far less ridiculous than that, when it comes to ignoring the Parliamentarian. But if we've established that the Supreme Court does have an interest in ensuring that bills passed out of the legislature were legally passed, then that's all that's needed.
I should be clear, I don't think it's a good argument they'd be making in court. I, also, think a reasonable Justice would conclude that the law was not broken here. But I think, if the five lunatics we have on the Court were presented with an opportunity to put a stop to one of Biden's major policy agenda items, and the only thing they had to do was rule that some small piece of parliamentary minutiae was violated and that more deference must be paid to the parliamentarian, they would do it in a heartbeat. The fact that they haven't stepped in to weaken the filibuster before does not reassure me that they wouldn't step in to strengthen the filibuster now. I think the legal claim that a GOP Senator could make would be pretty weak, but I think it would be far less ridiculous than many other cases that we've had come through our legal system in the last few years.
This really triggers their Mister Gotcha reflex.
I was really sad to see all the roses on twitter being particularly nasty towards AOC over this, basically calling her a traitor.This really triggers their Mister Gotcha reflex.
Inflation is cooling off big time. Someone show this to Manchin please
Man Chin is sad the inflation isn't higherThe Parliamentarian thing isn't really a good vector of discussion, at least in service to finding a solution. Yes, Harris can overrule her, but also that's no different than killing the filibuster, so Manchin would just vote No on everything moving forward. It's not even really kicking the can down the road, but kicking the can into a wall that's 2 inches away from the can.
Inflation hawks in shambles
Remember when the GOP Senate was supposed to be less crazy than the GOP House? I legit have no idea what Risch is talking about.
Woodward and Costa write that Milley, deeply shaken by the assault, 'was certain that Trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election, with Trump now all but manic, screaming at officials and constructing his own alternate reality about endless election conspiracies.'
Milley worried that Trump could 'go rogue,' the authors write.
"You never know what a president's trigger point is," Milley told his senior staff, according to the book.
In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.
"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood.
"Got it?" Milley asked, according to the book.
"Yes, sir."
'Milley considered it an oath,' the authors write.
Remember when the GOP Senate was supposed to be less crazy than the GOP House? I legit have no idea what Risch is talking about.
There's some stuff about pence in it too.Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons
Two days after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, President Donald Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to...www.cnn.com
While much had been reported about General Milley's views of Mr. Trump, the book's depiction of Mr. Pence revealed for the first time the depths that the vice president went to as his fealty to toward Mr. Trump collided with calculations about his political future and the counsel of his aides and advisers to follow the Constitution.
In the days leading up to Jan. 6, Mr. Pence called Mr. Quayle, the only living Republican vice president forced to certify an election in which he was on the losing ticket.
Mr. Pence told him that the president was convinced that Mr. Pence could throw out the election results in order to keep himself in power.
"Mike, you have no flexibility on this," Mr. Quayle told Mr. Pence. "None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away."
"I know, that's what I've been trying to tell Trump," Mr. Pence said. "But he really thinks he can. And there are other guys in there saying I've got this power."
Mr. Pence then echoed Mr. Trump's false claims of election fraud. "Well, there's some stuff out in Arizona," Mr. Pence said.
"Mike, I live in Arizona," Mr. Quayle said. "There's nothing out here."
Are the conservatives asking to pull his medals yetWoodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons
Two days after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, President Donald Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to...www.cnn.com
Again, the reason why even Bernie Sanders, even if he was VP, wouldn't overrule the parliamentarian is Manchin, Sinema, and possibly other Senators would say, 'lol no', and say they wouldn't support the bill now.
Also, if you want part of the reason minority voters moved right in 2020 -
Yglesias, Shor, and a few others have been sort of taking the approach that actually all this stuff about misinformation and messaging is sort of masking the real issue, to whit: for most people, practical outcomes really are the be all end all. Proposing policies doesn't get you anywhere, but passing them can.
Perfect example of pulling up the ladder behind you.
Yglesias, Shor, and a few others have been sort of taking the approach that actually all this stuff about misinformation and messaging is sort of masking the real issue, to whit: for most people, practical outcomes really are the be all end all. Proposing policies doesn't get you anywhere, but passing them can.
Remember when the GOP Senate was supposed to be less crazy than the GOP House? I legit have no idea what Risch is talking about.
This really triggers their Mister Gotcha reflex.
This your chance, Joe. If you can't get Collins, there's no chance at getting 10 Republicans.
People got cheques with Trump's name on it.
Also for Latino population there were also many articles on how lockdowns had big impact on the economic security. That definitely played a role in Teaxs distrcits.
Most people do not see any direct beneficial government intervention in their lives; even when it happens they don't recognize it as such. But the stimulus checks were literally cash into people's pockets, with Trump's name on them. Checks are the most obvious form of government assistance people can experience and Trump putting his name on them made it clear to people who are normally tuned out of this stuff that here was a politician actually stepping in to improve their lives.
People got cheques with Trump's name on it.
Also for Latino population there were also many articles on how lockdowns had big impact on the economic security. That definitely played a role in Teaxs distrcits.
This reads like a movie… just unreal that we actually LIVED in this realityWoodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons
Two days after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, President Donald Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to...www.cnn.com
Yup - Trump gave people money, which got fiscally liberal, and socially moderate or conservative minorities to vote for him, because for them, their problem w/ the GOP was never the racism, but the Paul Ryanism of the party.
Ironically, as the GOP gets more nationalist and xenophobic in the next decade or so, as long as they don't go full Paul Ryan on Medicare or Social Security, the minority vote will continue to rise, as education polarization continues.
People got cheques with Trump's name on it.
Also for Latino population there were also many articles on how lockdowns had big impact on the economic security. That definitely played a role in Teaxs distrcits.
That's...not bad. I would take thatThe original proposal was forcing independent commissions on every state. The new proposal that Manchin is on board with is making a federal gerrymandering standard with mapmaking criteria every state is to follow, and empower the federal court system to enforce that criteria.
Ted Cruz promises to fucking filibuster the debt ceiling being raised in October
What a thundercunt
Ton of folks around here seem to just hate the idea of incremental progress but the monthly CTC is a huge deal if nothing else because it's arguably a pilot program for UBI.that's what it comes down to. People got checks. If Dems can extend the child tax credit that will no doubt be a huge point moving forward.
Man, the backlash that is going to happen if those checks stop coming come January. We need to get this Reconciliation through just for the impact those checks have for lower income families alone. It's massive.Ton of folks around here seem to just hate the idea of incremental progress but the monthly CTC is a huge deal if nothing else because it's arguably a pilot program for UBI.