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US PoliEra 2021 |OT 3| Rage Against The Manchin
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JesseEwiak I actually think this read is wrong. The law that passed is highly restrictive and the exact thing suburban whites don't like.
It's telling national GOP isn't talking about this. This will hurt them next year not help imo.
It's telling national GOP isn't talking about this. This will hurt them next year not help imo.
Also Manchin held up the last big on Covid in order to make it worse for unemployed peopled
It's possible.
We'll need to see what the... Wait for it... Turnout is in 22. As it always comes down to.
We'll see if this motivates voters.
Unless you're writing or debating legislation on Afghanistan or COVID, stfu.
We don't need to wait for news cycles to get things done, this isn't the Trump admin anymore.
We don't need to wait for news cycles to get things done, this isn't the Trump admin anymore.
Cool. What about the $4T debt we amassed from bullshit wars? Nobody was worried about that. Besides, $3.5T is paid for.
Agreed, and as other states follow Texas lead this will become a bigger issue for Suburban women.
He can stall all he wants- This is coming to the Senate and its passage will come down to his cooperation.
He doesn't want to deal with it. Can't blame him.
Oh, this specific law is bad, politically.
I just think the idea that Democrat's in states they dominate could go as far as left as the GOP has gone right without electoral consequences is wrong, and I also think, because it's been done in a backdoor way, this isn't going to effect the midterms that much. If COVID is still a threat and the economy isn't firing on all cylinders, we're boned even if the GOP run on national anti-abortion restrictions.
I mean, I think my pushback is in swing districts, they won't be running on this, and most people won't be paying that much attention. CRT is a big issue among Twitter people and Fox News watchers, not normies. The message the GOP will run on is "Biden is an old man who has bungled the recovery, and is stopping us from an economic boom because of taxes/regulations/etc." and because of the swings that happen in things like support for public spending whenever either party is in charge, it has a decent chance of working.
The message will be spun by them or they will outright lie. So we'll have to act with that in mind, rather than Jon's take here even if he's right.
yep. Would have loved unemployment to be extended into October like it was originally intended but oh well now I guess. Manchin is so shitty.
If you think that elections aren't going to happen anymore then the only solution is suicide, logically speaking
I don't really buy that.
It is by design:
I've argued here and elsewhere for years that GOP politicians never wanted abortion overturned. Their boogeyman issue disappears instantly, and suburban/independent voters are in favor of legal abortion. It will drive them to the polls.
They aren't going to say a word about it. Another republican said it wasn't actually overturned. They're actively downplaying it purposely.
I saw online somebody had an idea to pass laws making fathers liable for child support at 6 weeks. I'm curious to know if that would have an effect.
I agree if our media does the job they are paid to do, which I'm a bit hesitant to believe after the Afghanistan coverage debacle.
Actually they could turn this into a major ratings booster so I imagine they will when they figure they can cash in the most
I still bet Fox News ignores it for as long as possible.
The GOP did this purposely because they knew Trump wasn't on the ballot in 2022 to drive voters to the polls. Arguing that their win keeps an anti-abortion law may do the trick.
GOP has the advantage of having more single issue voters. But, Abortion has not been at forefront of people's minds because the kind of law in Texas almost always got thrown out.
Manchin can say he wants to pause as much he wants. But the longer he decides to be inactive, the longer Pelosi and House Dems can just sit on the infrastructure bill.
I think one problem though is that so much of actual GOP behavior is so over-the-top scary and dangerous that it comes across as unbelievable to a lot of voters. It reminds me of when the Obama 2012 campaign focus tested ads about Paul Ryan's budget proposal for destroying Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and the ads tanked because the voters just didn't actually believe those things could be real.
Granted a lot has changed in the decade since, but I still feel, especially in swing districts where we're talking about voters who either used to be Republicans themselves or live closely with Republicans in their communities, that many voters still can't see Republicans for what they are -- and that Trump, for as much revulsion as he inspired, was seen as an aberration rather than emblematic of the whole party.
I think one problem though is that so much of actual GOP behavior is so over-the-top scary and dangerous that it comes across as unbelievable to a lot of voters. It reminds me of when the Obama 2012 campaign focus tested ads about Paul Ryan's budget proposal for destroying Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and the ads tanked because the voters just didn't actually believe those things could be real.
Granted a lot has changed in the decade since, but I still feel, especially in swing districts where we're talking about voters who either used to be Republicans themselves or live closely with Republicans in their communities, that many voters still can't see Republicans for what they are -- and that Trump, for as much revulsion as he inspired, was seen as an aberration rather than emblematic of the whole party.
New Texas Law Allows Private Citizens To Hold Pregnant Women Hostage Until Birth
AUSTIN, TX—In an ongoing effort to completely eliminate the right to an abortion in the state, the Texas Legislature passed a new law Thursday that allows private citizens to kidnap and detain any pregnant woman or girl until she reaches full term and gives birth. “The sanctity of life can only...
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Everything is always about the next election.
"Elect us to make sure a woman's right to choose is preserved!"
Okay, done.
"Ah, well, we need more people! Make sure you elect more of us in two years!"
No you fucking don't. Do it now.
(republicans take back the house and or senate)
Democrats:
"Elect us to make sure a woman's right to choose is preserved!"
Okay, done.
"Ah, well, we need more people! Make sure you elect more of us in two years!"
No you fucking don't. Do it now.
(republicans take back the house and or senate)
Democrats:
Our parties are just different. Platforms don't matter anymore... It's a cult of personality. Trump has taught them something valuable- Have the 'right' person, their platforms don't matter.
Can't get away with this with the Democratic party, but the GOP? We're seeing it right now.
That AND it's a party of pure grievance. Almost doesn't matter what the position is, as long as they are in lockstep opposing the librul Dems then they'll all fall in line and it doesn't matter how extreme they get. (as we've clearly seen)
Yup.Everything is always about the next election.
"Elect us to make sure a woman's right to choose is preserved!"
Okay, done.
"Ah, well, we need more people! Make sure you elect more of us in two years!"
No you fucking don't. Do it now.
(republicans take back the house and or senate)
Democrats:
Actions -- or inactions in this case, I suppose -- speak louder than words.
It's a convenient way of never having to stand up for your campaign promises when the going gets tough.Everything is always about the next election.
"Elect us to make sure a woman's right to choose is preserved!"
Okay, done.
"Ah, well, we need more people! Make sure you elect more of us in two years!"
No you fucking don't. Do it now.
(republicans take back the house and or senate)
Democrats:
Can you point me to where Joe Manchin promised to break the filibuster to protect abortion rights?
That's the whole problem with the "Democrats aren't doing anything." Joe Manchin determines if the Democrat's do anything. Period.
Like what reasoning would Manchin have for pulling this shit right now? What else does this blowhard, attention seeking piece of shit want?
He was getting sad the Afghanistan withdrawal and Hurricane Ida knocked him away from the center of attention in DC.
Manchin Cycle, please do your magic. Luckily Manchin was skeptical of the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill before he signaled his support for that (feels like a lifetime ago). At least he said "pause" and not "throw away" the bill. A delayed bill is better than no bill at all.
Everything is always about the next election.
"Elect us to make sure a woman's right to choose is preserved!"
Okay, done.
"Ah, well, we need more people! Make sure you elect more of us in two years!"
No you fucking don't. Do it now.
(republicans take back the house and or senate)
Democrats:
You guys do understand Manchin and Sinema are who you should be writing to right?
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