Yeah I can't trust it lmao. But then again a GOP governor pissing off teachers is what got a Dem elected in KY. So more data is needed for sure!
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US PoliEra 2021 |OT 3| Rage Against The Manchin
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Believe!
I actually have zero faith in Florida at this point so I tend to think outlier.
The same poll has Rubio handily winning.
the fact that that same poll also still has Rubio winning by 10 points really shows how borderline unbeatable he is
I dont think it's an outlier!!! I been saying Nikki Fried is actually a decent candidate by Florida standards (much better than Crist). Only dem to compete statewide and win.
I've seen people in here mention it numerous times already as a suggestion, but what is the stated reason or argument against implementing a proof of vaccination for ALL air travel? Is it unconstitutional or something?
Seems like it would dramatically boost the vax numbers and be the one thing that would get millions of idiots who won't take it to do so.
Seems like it would dramatically boost the vax numbers and be the one thing that would get millions of idiots who won't take it to do so.
One last round of self fellatio before heading out the door, eh?
I don't know, but such a rule would I'm sure be done like similar things elsewhere: proof of vaccination or proof of recent negative test, or in rare cases an exemption. And doing the latter over and over would probably be very expensive, since it should presumably be done by a professional, with a signed doc confirming the result, rather than a self-administered test. On my recent international trip the four tests I was required to take cost me a total of $400, and I'm fully vaxxed. I'd have liked a vax passport then.
Not sure. But I'd imagine the logisitics of implemeting a relatively seamless verification system is daunting given there is no central database and it would depend on states participating. Imagine if TX or FL refuses to participate.
I believe the CDC can recommend it, and then the FAA/TSA would be the ones to require it based on CDC recommendation.
Would be incredible to see DeSantis lose the Governorship. He's actually killing the people of his state.
I'm just relaying what she said to me. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Scotland was handling this much better than England. According to her daughters only a couple of kids at their primary school wore masks last year.
We already require vaccines for travel to *certain* countries, so it definitely can't be unconstitutional.
So, California has a QR code system for vaccines, but it doesn't work out of state. Meanwhile I'm in France for the summer, which is finally forcing everyone to get their EU-based vaccine certificates scanned for entry to every restaurant/theater/etc, and thankfully I have my laminated CDC card which everyone accepts as "Eh, that works." And I'll still need to have a negative test within 72 hours of flying back to the States.
It's all a mess.
It's all a mess.
I'm not talking about states. I'm asking why Delta, AA etc don't come out and say "you can't get on our planes unless you're vaccinated?"
Feels like that would be the kick in the ass necessary to move a hell of a lot of hesitant people.
In case you weren't aware, the US works on a 3 calendar day rule, not 72 hours (as some do). And the US is one of the few countries which accepts antigen lateral flow test as being acceptable for entry, which is cheaper and faster than the PCR.
More Cities Requiring Residents To Root Around In Bag For Vaccine Card Until Bartender Feels Bad And Caves
NEW YORK—In an effort to reduce the spread of the highly transmissible Covid Delta variant, more cities around the nation have reportedly enacted measures this week requiring residents to root around in their bag looking for their vaccine card until the bartender feels bad and caves. “With this...
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I see. Yeah still same issue I'd think. What system is there to verify that status and will the various state health boards allow that type of access? I know they're built for it, which is how they're provided for say school or university enrollment, but we all know Covid is being treated differently here.
And the airlines probably don't want to act without some sort of stronger backing because ultimately, they want as many people flying as possible.
In case you weren't aware, the US works on a 3 calendar day rule, not 72 hours (as some do). And the US is one of the few countries which accepts antigen lateral flow test as being acceptable for entry, which is cheaper and faster than the PCR.
More Cities Requiring Residents To Root Around In Bag For Vaccine Card Until Bartender Feels Bad And Caves
NEW YORK—In an effort to reduce the spread of the highly transmissible Covid Delta variant, more cities around the nation have reportedly enacted measures this week requiring residents to root around in their bag looking for their vaccine card until the bartender feels bad and caves. “With this...
Thanks for the info, but I'll still be checking the State Department rules right up until my flight in mid-September, and I'll most likely get a PCR test at my local pop-up place. Appreciate it!
Absolutely. It's stressful keeping up. That info is from the CDC page on travel, and I just got back into the country with the antigen test. I got the result and a PDF certifying it in 40 minutes, at the airport I was flying from.
I guess just by asking for the vaccine card like they do for an I.D. or passport. And then trust that people aren't forging them which could be a problem I suppose.
CDC should have called up the treasury and asked them to print cards with a watermark on them. Would have made it that much tougher for forgeries.
Fuck yes. Keep up that pace.
I'm still bracing for when certain Americans choose to remain for whatever reason, are killed, and get Chris Stevens'ed by the GOP.
there is a thread but sharing here too
gizmodo.com
Trump's Border Wall Torn Apart by Arizona Monsoon Rains
Record monsoon rains have blown floodgates off their hinges and sent debris crawling around Trump's border wall. This is what happens when you ignore bedrock environmental laws.
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Yep. Kind of a big mistake not to have everyone's vaccination card have a scannable watermark or something on it.
this was made explicitly illegal I thought? "no federal vaccine databases" and all that
I don't agree with the cinemas and restaurants. I do agree with the airport and flights decision to be extremely precautious to reduce the spread especially given how many people across the globe they interact with.
I would've preferred the CDC to have given some advice such as setting metrics of what rate of vaccination in a community was needed to lift certain restrictions such as masks. Masks were advertised to the public as protecting others and your community, not just yourself. Instead the Biden administration went full 'independence from covid' marketing for July 4th. Based upon marketing and businesses following cdc guidelines a lot felt like Covid was over. It's not the worst yet but it is far from over with the pandemic.
I would've liked to had seen vaccines approves for kids 12 and under and immune compromised before we started advertising Covid being over. I moved to a blue area at the start of the year and most were still wearing masks and were pretty upset over the mask guidance changes as they felt they were way too soon.
As someone who worked through the pandemic and dealt with the general public on a daily basis; I was harassed multiple times a day about masks from customers. Things finally had calmed down and people had generally accepted wearing masks in spring 2021. When the CDC lifted that guidance it reignited the division and animosity towards other people. People fully valued that didn't wear masks were harassed and bullied by people wearing masks. While people wearing masks were harassed and bullied by customers who weren't wearing masks. So good luck getting a lot of these people to wear masks again.
Keeping safety and healthy restrictions for longer wouldn't have hurt anyone. My coworker likely would still be alive today as he was immune compromised and couldn't get vaccinated. It also was frustrating, as I chose to continue wearing a mask because I was worried about my father who was immune compromised, had stage 4 cancer, and couldn't get fully vaccinated, to be harassed by people constantly pressuring me to take my mask off. However, he ended up passing away about a month ago as well. Perhaps it's because my father passed away that has changed my disposition but I can't help but feel complaints such as 'I had to wear a mask for 8 hours on an international flight' to be peak privilege.
I'm likely heading to England for approximately a week next month and the test requirements are an absolute headache to parse.
I just did that. PCR test within 3 calendar days, and you need to fill out an online Passenger Locator Form. Not sure if they want you to self-quarantine and pre-pay for a day 2 self-test too. I think they may have just waived that if you have an FDA or EU approved vaccination.
Be sure to quiz whomever is doing your test about exactly how long it'll take. For instance, I checked with Walgreens which would apparently do my PCR test covered by insurance, and they advertised results in 24-48 hours. However, that's how long the lab takes. I was flying out on a Tuesday, and I called my local store to check that a weekend test would be on the same schedule, and they told me you can be tested on Sat or Sun, but the sample isn't sent to the lab until Monday (afternoon, presumably) then 1-2 days from there. In other words, useless. The prices also vary greatly. Local to me, I found prices for PCR testing for travel ranging from $85-$250. The cheapest one was actually perfect. Great service, got the result in 4-6 hours, and a PDF with my passport number on it.
We won't hear one tenth about this when it's going well as we did when people assumed it would be a disaster.
No quarantine needs, but a day 2 PCR test is required on arrival. I'll be going to a large event not long before flying, so I want to expedite the day 2 test as much as possible so that I know I'm negative before I see my 90+ year old grandma. So I'm trying to find in person testing I can do on the Saturday we land (to get results the next day), vs right before we're flying back. I'm hoping to get everything booked and paid up front.
We *may* be able to get free testing done before we fly out but the question there is as you say if you can get results in time. Price is secondary to timely results. We'll be using the free option after we get back and do the 3-5 days after travel test that is recommended (though not required as I understand).
So yeah. PCR test three days before flying. PCR test on landing. Lateral flow test three days before flying back.
"peak privilege" and "reduce the spread"? What spread, in this scenario? I'm not sure you're grasping that everyone on the plane has tested negative. Meanwhile you can get on a plane from TX or FL and go anywhere in the US with no pre-testing required and no vaccination checks and no testing after arrival, so absolutely keeps masks there. But when everyone has tested negative and are being asked to self-quarantine and test on day 2 after arrival too (as I was), it's theater, especially considering all the far far riskier things we allow, such as cinemas and restaurants at 100% capacity with no masks.
I think locally to me the change in public perception you're talking about was when the Governor did away with mask mandates, rather than whatever the CDC or Biden said. It sucks that some idiots respond the way you describe, but again that's still not on the CDC. Their position should be aligned with the data as best as possible, not an attempt at social engineering.
'social engineering' is exactly what they tried to do. Dropping masking 'for vaccinated' thinking it would motivate people to get vaccinated. They just got it wrong. They've admitted as much.
a few weeks back i went to a show where they did check, and turned vaccinated friends away who didn't have proof, and maybe 75% or more did wear masks during the show. So…some days and places will be better than others (and it felt really good to be back at a show)
I had to double take that tweet to make sure he didn't accidentally add a zero? How the fuck are there >20k Americans over there at this point anyway? Who are these people? What are they doing?
I guess the moderates have resorted to just straight up lying:
The WH position has been clear for months.
The WH position has been clear for months.
They're not moderates. Why are they trying so hard to nuke the budget bill?
The last figure I read (days ago) was 15k. But maybe that includes troops.
They've decided that their one role in government should be "make big number go down"
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