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Warhawk4Ever

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Jun 23, 2021
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fuck this country. Seriously. Every dem that refuses to come back and at least TRY can get fucked.

i try to not go the 'fuck this country' route but in this instance, it fits.

we can spend $750 BILLION a year for defense but cant make sure people arent thrown out of their homes during a pandemic and post an economic crash last year.

shameful.
 
May 26, 2018
24,019
There are Dems who care but they just ain't the system. System is too big and too old. People like Bush would need to be the start of some generational movement but we don't have that kind of time to change culture.
 

Plinko

Member
Oct 28, 2017
18,572
The death numbers out of Florida in 2-3 weeks could be scary. Hoping this round isn't as lethal.
 
Oct 27, 2017
17,973
The ihme prediction was updated last night to project 75,000 more deaths in the next three months. And that's without most of last week's data incorporated into it. 12-17 year olds don't have their parents' permission to be vaccinated, gonna be a problem in schools.
 

EvilChameleon

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Oct 25, 2017
23,793
Ohio
I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.
 

I Don't Like

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Dec 11, 2017
14,907
I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.

I don't even know how many conservatives are aware of COVID disproportionately affecting POC. I assume some but even those also don't give a fuck whether it's POC or white people. It's like the newsmax guy said about how pandemics wiping people out is nature and they know it's usually people in poorer health and socio economic status and to them that's perfectly fine and even necessary.
 

SNRUB

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Oct 27, 2017
3,009
New Jersey
I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.
It's short-term thinking on their end.

They're more than happy to see it wiping out minorities and libs but are completely oblivious at the current moment that it's killing their base off at the same rate. Yknow, the same people that'll drive in droves to vote. And only a select few know this, like McConnell who are actively encouraging them to get vaccinated (whether that's working or it'll fuck up his re-election campaigns is anyone's guess).
 
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Antrax

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Oct 25, 2017
13,283
But the "conserves" are dying more than the libs!

Yes, but the libs say covid is scary. Hence, conservatives need to act like it's no big deal at all.

"Hey liberals, check me out in this crowded indoor space without a mask. And I'm unvaccinated. I bet that makes you so triggered" is the post, here's the profile pic
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rjinaz

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Oct 25, 2017
28,401
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I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.
Honestly I think it's cult mentality at this point. GOP is a cult and their only goal is to "end socialism". They can only do it by making people angry so they vote for them. Angry about masks, angry about the vaccine. Just angry.
 

JesseEwiak

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Oct 31, 2017
3,781
Again, it's bizarre that we have an open white nationalist member of Congress who promotes people like Fuentes and no one cares.

Your average person in America has far more contact with somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene than somebody like Cori Bush or somebody like AOC, so somebody like AOC seems far more extreme to them, because how can theiir Aunt Mary be crazy?

It's a crucial thing that will affect poor and middle class citizens and they do nothing.

No excuses are acceptable. Leadership failure on an absurdly high level and they should be harshly criticized for it.

All of the good they've done is going to get overshadowed by reports and interviews with people evicted. It's going to be terrible PR.
Literally the easiest play. Bring it up for a vote. Then when the Reps vote against it, bash them over the head for wanting millions of people getting forced onto the streets.

I hate to say this, but I think people overestimate how much people are going to care about this and more importantly, how much of a reaction from a decent chunk of poor and middle class people is going to be, "I pay my rent every much. Why are those people getting a free ride?" After all, when it comes to social media, I see far more people making slightly more minimum wage complaining about "burger flippers thinking they're worth $15 when I only make $13" than upper middle class people complaining about it.

Obviously, the Dem's should pass it, because it's also a relatively low salience thing to most voters, but I don't think it'll be the boon if the GOP votes it down or a huge bust if it goes away, purely on a political level. On a moral level, of course it's terrible.
 

Crocodile

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Oct 25, 2017
8,093
I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.

If the pandemic goes back out of control then Biden looks bad which is good for the GOP midterm prospects. If thousands/tens of thousands die in the meantime that's no hair of their back just as they didn't give a shit last year when Trump was in charge.
 

JesseEwiak

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Oct 31, 2017
3,781
If the pandemic goes back out of control then Biden looks bad which is good for the GOP midterm prospects. If thousands/tens of thousands die in the meantime that's no hair of their back just as they didn't give a shit last year when Trump was in charge.

I mean, this is part of it.

But, I do think to a certain point, in a lot of red areas, the pandemic actually was never that bad. In part due to sheer numbers, and in part due to the fact that yeah, in an urban area, there was never going to be the changes for infection than in say, Chicago. Even when things did become worse in more rural areas, it was still never as bad numerically as in the cities, so to a lot of Trump voters, there was never a reason to change their life, from what they saw.

Obviously, Trump being anti-mask and such turbocharged things and even if somebody like Romney was POTUS, there would've been some pushback, but we also see the opposite in places like the UK & Australia, both Anglo places with strong Murdoch propaganda efforts that are both pro-vax and largely pro-lockdown.
 

Crocodile

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Oct 25, 2017
8,093
I mean, this is part of it.

But, I do think to a certain point, in a lot of red areas, the pandemic actually was never that bad. In part due to sheer numbers, and in part due to the fact that yeah, in an urban area, there was never going to be the changes for infection than in say, Chicago. Even when things did become worse in more rural areas, it was still never as bad numerically as in the cities, so to a lot of Trump voters, there was never a reason to change their life, from what they saw.

Obviously, Trump being anti-mask and such turbocharged things and even if somebody like Romney was POTUS, there would've been some pushback, but we also see the opposite in places like the UK & Australia, both Anglo places with strong Murdoch propaganda efforts that are both pro-vax and largely pro-lockdown.

Well I was more speaking to the rationale of GOP political leadership (a few like McConnell are exceptions but most of them are at best ambivalent and at worst pro-covid!) but its clear a LOT of conservatives are taking their queues from above (be it politicians or conservative media). For the UK, the Tories are in charge so obviously Murdoch wants to prop them up rather than undermine them. I'm not sure what the political situation in Australia is looking like right now though.
 

GoldenFlex

Alt Account
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May 7, 2021
2,900
Feel bad for anyone living in Florida. They are the perfect example of Republican governance and the failures therein.
 

JesseEwiak

Banned
Oct 31, 2017
3,781
Well I was more speaking to the rationale of GOP political leadership (a few like McConnell are exceptions but most of them are at best ambivalent and at worst pro-covid!) but its clear a LOT of conservatives are taking their queues from above (be it politicians or conservative media). For the UK, the Tories are in charge so obviously Murdoch wants to prop them up rather than undermine them. I'm not sure what the political situation in Australia is looking like right now though.

The rationale of GOP leadership is obvious to me - they think the downsides of people dying to the people that vote for them is better than the downside of being painted as the guy who didn't back Trump and freedom in a primary. Even somebody like Mike DeWine, who is a very right-wing conservative, at first, tried to treat things seriously but was forced by his own party and political expediency to basically act the same as every other Republican governor.
 
Nov 27, 2020
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Is there actually a decent chance that he could get recalled?
There's a very real chance he will. He's not terribly popular here in the state, even among Democrats. Maybe things will change as the election gets closer, but there's simply not much enthusiasm among Democrats to defeat the recall question. Meanwhile, this recall effort has been going on for almost two years, with local conservative radio beating the recall drum that whole time. There's a huge motivation gap between Republicans and Democrats to recall him…and we could very well end up with a conservative talk show host as governor of arguably the bluest state in the union.

By the way…we need electoral overhaul here, to prevent abuses of the system here in California.
 
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SSF1991

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Jun 19, 2018
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There's a very real chance he will. He's not terribly popular here in the state, even among Democrats. Maybe things will change as the election gets closer, but there's simply not much enthusiasm among Democrats to defeat the recall question. Meanwhile, this recall effort has been going on for almost two years, with local conservative radio beating the recall drum that whole time. There's a huge motivation gap between Republicans and Democrats to recall him…and we could very well end up with a conservative talk show host as governor of arguably the bluest state in the union.

Uh oh. Not good at all.

Hopefully California being so blue will help...but we'll see.
 

Jamal Jenkins

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Sep 22, 2019
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What's even the point of a recall when there's a gubernatorial election next year?

What a waste of tax dollars.
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,625
The World
I think it's because republicans saw Newsom as a potential presidential candidate so getting recalled would basically destroy his career.

No, republicans saw the opportunity. His popularity was falling and this is a way to get a republican elected. Then idiotic that he was went and had a group dinner at French laundry when state was still in lockdown.

Don't know what it is with some of these Dem politicians and not following they own Covid guidelines

 

Dierce

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Oct 27, 2017
3,993
No, republicans saw the opportunity. His popularity was falling and this is a way to get a republican elected. Then idiotic that he was went and had a group dinner at French laundry when state was still in lockdown.

Don't know what it is with some of these Dem politicians and not following they own Covid guidelines

But didn't the recall efforts start before the pandemic? I do think that republicans are using this opportunity to once and for all get rid Newsom as a national presence. Also it's just embarrassing how california will once again end up with a republican governor because of this.
 
Nov 27, 2020
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But didn't the recall efforts start before the pandemic? I do think that republicans are using this opportunity to once and for all get rid Newsom as a national presence. Also it's just embarrassing how california will once again end up with a republican governor because of this.
You're not wrong about the recall effort starting before the pandemic. There have actually been five petitions registered to recall him since 2019.

Complete List of Recall Attempts :: California Secretary of State

View a complete list of recall attempts here.

Tables and booths set up outside grocery stores, Wal-Marts, and at any outdoor event have been a constant fixture essentially since he was elected. With that many attempts being made, it's not really surprising that one makes it through, especially with a catalyst like the pandemic lockdown and Newsom being caught attending a dinner in violation of the state's guidelines.

I don't think the recalls are specifically designed to destroy any presidential ambitions Newsom may have, however. As the link above shows, there are almost always recall efforts happening against sitting governors in this state. There were several against Jerry Brown, who was not a presidential hopeful at that point, as well as Schwarzenegger, who is ineligible to run for president. I think this recall is a result of a few things: recalls becoming more and more normal and constant, Republicans freaking out that the mayor of "super-liberal" San Francisco was elected governor, and realizing that a recall election is becoming the only way that one of their own could be elected governor.

Ultimately, if Newsom is recalled and is replaced it will be a short lived victory. The regular election will happen in a little over a year and there will more than likely be a Democrat governor again…of course new recall efforts will also start at that same time.
 

Poodlestrike

Smooth vs. Crunchy
Administrator
Oct 25, 2017
13,496
realizing that a recall election is becoming the only way that one of their own could be elected governor.
This is the big one, I think. They have much much much better odds in a recall than they do in a general election, so they're just constantly pushing for the D governor to get recalled. Part of the whole "we're the only legitimate holders of power" thing.
 

AYF 001

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Oct 28, 2017
828
I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.
I think to a lot of them, it's their eugenics fantasy in action. "We need another plague", as I've heard right-leaning people say in years past. Seeing covid as a way to cull the weak and "decrease the excess population" as Scrooge himself put it.
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
14,106
I just don't understand why a whole fuckload of conservatives are so fine with all this death. Is it racism? I mean, it usually is, but what's the racist angle here? White people are dying just as easily as minorities.
In this case they've all been conditioned to not actually believe the death count in the first place. Along with it they've been told it's a personal health thing. Conservatism has long preached personal responsibility with regards to health even if the cause isn't personal. Disease is largely thought of as affecting those dirtier or weaker.

But even if they know the death count and logically know it's not just the weak, conservatives don't mind handwaving death. Look at school shootings and gun deaths. It's the same mindset. They do not want government solutions to problems, period. They will fight government solutions tooth and nail.
 
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