Sure, Rumsfeld deserves some criticism for having lied our country into pointlessly murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and wrecking the lives of millions more.I suspect history will mainly remember him as one of the most prominent driving forces behind the Iraq war and the pressure campaign leading up to it.
Actually he'll be remembered as the sexiest cabinet member of 2002 by People magazine.Sure, Rumsfeld deserves some criticism for having lied our country into pointlessly murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and wrecking the lives of millions more.
But to his credit, he also helped popularize standing desks!
Actually he'll be remembered as the sexiest cabinet member of 2002 by People magazine.
Also probably a war monger, but I mean who isn't from that era right?
He sure didSure, Rumsfeld deserves some criticism for having lied our country into pointlessly murdering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, and wrecking the lives of millions more.
But to his credit, he also helped popularize standing desks!
Our Bipartisan infrastructure deal brought to you by ExxonMobil. What a fucking disgrace.
Our Bipartisan infrastructure deal brought to you by ExxonMobil. What a fucking disgrace.
Our Bipartisan infrastructure deal brought to you by ExxonMobil. What a fucking disgrace.
True, but honestly neither does the Democratic Party.I've been deeply following politics for 20+ years now and what I have learned is this forum is not only extremely progressive (which is great cause so am i) but has zero idea how to win elections or give good political advise anywhere other than strong liberal areas.
Well right now the party is in control of the legislature and the presidency, and has two liberal senators from GA and AZ and beat a incumbent who got more votes than any incumbent in history...
The fact that they squeaked out victories in two states in a historic turnout election year (huge credit to the local state parties there) doesn't erase the absolute disastrous state of the party nationally and their continual losses over the past decade.Well right now the party is in control of the legislature and the presidency, and has two liberal senators from GA and AZ and beat a incumbent who got more votes than any incumbent in history...
So yes, they do know how to win elections.
The Democratic Party is objectively speaking one of the most electorally successful liberal parties in the world.The fact that they squeaked out victories in two states in a historic turnout election year (huge credit to the local state parties there) doesn't erase the absolute disastrous state of the party nationally and their continual losses over the past decade.
I've been deeply following politics for 20+ years now and what I have learned is this forum is not only extremely progressive (which is great cause so am i) but has zero idea how to win elections or give good political advise anywhere other than strong liberal areas.
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I'm obviously talking about the modern incarnation of the party. Sure, if you include the new dealers the party's track record is impressive. They haven't really been a liberal party since the 70s, and I don't know how useful comparing them to non-fptp and parliamentary system. Or comparing "liberal" parties, ignoring what that means in the context of their country's political axes. Of course, now we're moving the goalposts and setting up an interminable quotefest because I was stupid enough to take the bait above. Just going to cut it short here. Have a nice day.The Democratic Party is objectively speaking one of the most electorally successful liberal parties in the world.
Another hit piece on a chief of staff doing what they're supposed to. Odd.
I'm obviously talking about the modern incarnation of the party. Sure, if you include the new dealers the party's track record is impressive. They haven't really been a liberal party since the 70s, and I don't know how useful comparing them to non-fptp and parliamentary system. Or comparing "liberal" parties, ignoring what that means in the context of their country's political axes. Of course, now we're moving the goalposts and setting up an interminable quotefest because I was stupid enough to take the bait above. Just going to cut it short here. Have a nice day.
Your last two paragraphs are spot on.I think when the forum zeroes in on critique it does a pretty great job. There was a thread a couple of weeks ago on the bullshit of meritocracy that was great. It calls out things for the sake of them being wrong. Another example, I find a lot of the comments here about Israel outrageous BUT if I look at the thing they are trying to point out , there's a good criticism there and it's better to read it and hear it than just put on the blinders.
But the forum also marinates in those critiques and entangles unrelated ones in a sort of interconnected nihilism, which requires a maximalist/extreme policy response. Those generally aren't good politics if you want to win majorities in elections and in doing so have agency over how change happens.
The other thing the forum does is treat huge swaths of the country's population as irredeemable racists, bigots, and uneducated idiots, who must be politically conquered / subjugated. The Cold Civil War is winnable, they think, Blue Texas is the new Vicksburg and General Abrams will lead a Second March to the Sea to render GOP into a rump regional party incapable of ever winning again. No, this cold civil war is not winnable, and even if it was it doesn't bring the country anywhere closer to being capable of self-governance.
Assessing where they fall on the political discretion wasn't a moral judgement, but yes please continue to get riled up everyone you perceive a hidden slight on the Democratic Party.The Democratic Party is the most electorally successful center-left party in the OECD/First World outside of possibly Portugal & Spain. If we had a sane system, they would've held the White House consistently outside of a brief 4 year interregnum for the last 30 years, basically.
Also, the idea the Democratic Party isn't a liberal party that just shows an incredibly blinkered view of the actual American populace and the limits of our electoral system. A "liberal" party by your views would get smashed in Reagan-style landslides by even somebody like Ted Cruz.
Heavy agreementI think when the forum zeroes in on critique it does a pretty great job. There was a thread a couple of weeks ago on the bullshit of meritocracy that was great. It calls out things for the sake of them being wrong. Another example, I find a lot of the comments here about Israel outrageous BUT if I look at the thing they are trying to point out , there's a good criticism there and it's better to read it and hear it than just put on the blinders.
But the forum also marinates in those critiques and entangles unrelated ones in a sort of interconnected nihilism, which requires a maximalist/extreme policy response. Those generally aren't good politics if you want to win majorities in elections and in doing so have agency over how change happens.
The other thing the forum does is treat huge swaths of the country's population as irredeemable racists, bigots, and uneducated idiots, who must be politically conquered / subjugated. The Cold Civil War is winnable, they think, Blue Texas is the new Vicksburg and General Abrams will lead a Second March to the Sea to render GOP into a rump regional party incapable of ever winning again. No, this cold civil war is not winnable, and even if it was it doesn't bring the country anywhere closer to being capable of self-governance.
The thing that this misses, and I think it's a very common thing in the media as well, that the Democrats are playing on Hard mode. The Republicans have significant structural advantages in most local elections, the House, the Senate, and the presidency. If the Democrats were really that bad at it, we simply wouldn't win at all.The fact that they squeaked out victories in two states in a historic turnout election year (huge credit to the local state parties there) doesn't erase the absolute disastrous state of the party nationally and their continual losses over the past decade.
This isn't lost on me, the deck is now ridiculously stacked against Democrats in a multitude of ways. But what is also not lost on me, is that they've spent the past 30 years maneuvering themselves into this position.The thing that this misses, and I think it's a very common thing in the media as well, that the Democrats are playing on Hard mode. The Republicans have significant structural advantages in most local elections, the House, the Senate, and the presidency. If the Democrats were really that bad at it, we simply wouldn't win at all.
This isn't lost on me, the deck is now ridiculously stacked against Democrats in a multitude of ways. But what is also not lost on me, is that they've spent the past 30 years maneuvering themselves into this position.
Of course the absolute trash humans in the republican party that have stacked the deck against democracy itself are to blame most directly, but they achieved this operating in a political system where the Democratic Party was the only other hegemon, i.e., not in a vacuum.
Look honestly I really am not that interested in litigating the last 30-40 years of the Democrat's history. I made a throwaway joke comment about Democrats uncanny ability to lose winnable elections, which apparently is beyond the pale for some folks here. I think we can all chill out a bit.
Buddy I never typed any of that. You have a very strong tendency across your posts to see everything in the context of Democrats vs Bernie Bros.The point is, your inherent point in all your posts, with all the asides about "30 years" or "they're not even a liberal party" is that if the Democrat's had acted more like you act the way you want, they would've won more elections, and thus, the obvious reason, they have to win by thin margins is because they're all sellouts who don't want to do the obvious things that will win them every election, when there's zero actual evidence fort that, outside of Twitter and podcasts.
The other part is this idea that 2016 or 2020 were layup elections, that anybody could've won and since the Democrat's didn't easily win, that's proof they're bad at winning elections. If you're going to make statements about history, you might get some pushback.
I'm not getting the play here at all. He just keeps sounding more and more insane.
I'm not getting the play here at all. He just keeps sounding more and more insane.
NSA should not have responded. Everyone knows Tucker is a lying dirtbag and his lies will spread on social media, and eventually die, only surviving in conspiracy loonybin fringes. But now they responded, bringing his lies to mainstream. It also feeds into the whole "conservatives are PeRsECuTeD" conspiracy.Doesn't his background suggest he's a true believer in white supremacy, probably neo-confederacy, etc?
Is he just drinking his own brew at this point?
Pick a fight with the NSA
Nothing bad has ever happened when you pick a fight with the NSA right