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But that would get in the way of the defacto
"If it's a Republican always give them the benefit of the doubt. If it's a Democrat, assume the worst".
At this point, what could Biden even say to bring the GOP back on board other than going back on his word about reconciliation? And that's not happening, surely.
So again this will probably come down to Manchin and Sinema getting fed up with GOP bullshit and going it alone like with COVID relief.
So again this will probably come down to Manchin and Sinema getting fed up with GOP bullshit and going it alone like with COVID relief.
Let Dems own INCREDIBLY good bills?! Oh nooooo!! Lmao what dumb fucks.
Yup, they got trapped now and realized that they won't be able to kill Biden's infrastructure proposal.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/14/republicans-infrastructure-package-biden-494490
Yeah with all of that, the GOP has shown their cards and they know 100% what was coming. They're full of it. And if any media tries to paint Dems as the unreasonable ones, then that just shows their asses. Too much out there. So hopefully this thing just falls apart quickly and the reconciliation train gets moving in time for them to be back from their new vacation.
The media absolutely is going to frame it as Democrats deviously entrapping the Republicans. I'm so over having any faith of them not amplifying GOP talking points.
Republicans never want anything done unless it meets all of their specific goals and literally nothing else.
Yeah, I fully expect this to be framed as "Biden and democrats can't get anything done while in power."
Yeah, I fully expect this to be framed as "Biden and democrats can't get anything done while in power."
And even then, they may still oppose it simply because they didn't propose it.
Eh, who is she talking to? If this exercise was required to get the moderates on board like Manchin/Sinema, then what else was Dem leadership supposed to do except go through the exercise? Given what we know now, this was telegraphed for months.
It is dumb we have to go through that, but Sinema/Manchin are kind of dumb and stubborn, so it checks out.
Like just the obviousness of the situation I imagine. I mean, sometimes it just needs to be said. It doesn't have to be directed at anybody in particular.
What I don't like is, people are still not getting it. Yes you are right, Democrats were just playing the M&S game because they have to, but, if you read the bipartisan deal thread, enough people didn't seem to realize this was going to fall apart. How is it that people can't predict these things at this point? I mean the Republican are being pretty consistent with their betrayals and have been for decades now.
If even people on ERA think "oh hey, finally bipartisanship!" then you have to imagine even people inside the Biden administration were hopeful when there never was a hope. That could mean time being wasted.
So yeah, AOC said it because it's so damn obvious and it still seems like people need to be reminded, each and every time they do it.
I'm assuming the original American Jobs Plan & American Families Plan will be combined and passed through reconciliation.
So, some interesting info about the white working class vote in 2020 -
theliberalpatriot.substack.com
1. The WWC are still 44% of the vote, and more importantly, in Midwestern swing states, they're 7-19 points higher than that. So, if you want to know why their votes matter more than urban or minority voters at times. There ya' go.
2. White non-college turnout went up more than Black or white college educated voter turnout, and about the same as Latino's.
3. White non-college voters made up more of Biden's coalition (32 percent) than white college educated voters (29 percent)
4. For all the talk about white working class dudes being Trump's base, they turned more against Trump than working class women. The shift against Trump among white noncollege voters was almost entirely driven by men. They shifted 7 points against him, while women in this group barely moved at all (.2 points). Which goes against the idea of the white working class vote - a lot of Trump's base are woman cashiers at Dollar Generals in small towns across America, not laid-off factory workers.
Ten Things We Now Know About the White Working Class Vote in 2020
The Dog That Didn’t Bark
theliberalpatriot.substack.com
1. The WWC are still 44% of the vote, and more importantly, in Midwestern swing states, they're 7-19 points higher than that. So, if you want to know why their votes matter more than urban or minority voters at times. There ya' go.
2. White non-college turnout went up more than Black or white college educated voter turnout, and about the same as Latino's.
3. White non-college voters made up more of Biden's coalition (32 percent) than white college educated voters (29 percent)
4. For all the talk about white working class dudes being Trump's base, they turned more against Trump than working class women. The shift against Trump among white noncollege voters was almost entirely driven by men. They shifted 7 points against him, while women in this group barely moved at all (.2 points). Which goes against the idea of the white working class vote - a lot of Trump's base are woman cashiers at Dollar Generals in small towns across America, not laid-off factory workers.
That last result is so weird I almost have to wonder if there's some data error.So, some interesting info about the white working class vote in 2020 -
Ten Things We Now Know About the White Working Class Vote in 2020
The Dog That Didn’t Bark
1. The WWC are still 44% of the vote, and more importantly, in Midwestern swing states, they're 7-19 points higher than that. So, if you want to know why their votes matter more than urban or minority voters at times. There ya' go.
2. White non-college turnout went up more than Black or white college educated voter turnout, and about the same as Latino's.
3. White non-college voters made up more of Biden's coalition (32 percent) than white college educated voters (29 percent)
4. For all the talk about white working class dudes being Trump's base, they turned more against Trump than working class women. The shift against Trump among white noncollege voters was almost entirely driven by men. They shifted 7 points against him, while women in this group barely moved at all (.2 points). Which goes against the idea of the white working class vote - a lot of Trump's base are woman cashiers at Dollar Generals in small towns across America, not laid-off factory workers.
I mean, the same things shows in Latino movement toward Trump - it was basically close to double among women than men. For obvious reasons, things like rising crime and security it turns out appeals more to women than men.
Here's a scorching hot take for y'all: the Democratic Party and its leadership is better at politics than apparently like, 90% of this forum (and the rest of the Internet) believes and the Republicans acting like petulant children proves it.
I swear it's the easiest, most tired thing in the world to just drop a "lol Dummycrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" in any topic, but Biden's played his hand here perfectly and is making big bad McConnell (along with the other notable R Senators like Graham) look like absolute chumps.
Of course, with that being said we're still a ways from a final bill being on Biden's desk, but we'll get there. I've been given no reason not to trust his, Pelosi and Schumer's competence.
I swear it's the easiest, most tired thing in the world to just drop a "lol Dummycrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" in any topic, but Biden's played his hand here perfectly and is making big bad McConnell (along with the other notable R Senators like Graham) look like absolute chumps.
Of course, with that being said we're still a ways from a final bill being on Biden's desk, but we'll get there. I've been given no reason not to trust his, Pelosi and Schumer's competence.
I tend to agree this time. If Democrats didn't do good here, then Republicans wouldn't be so mad. I mean the issue they are claiming they are mad over is fake, but they are still mad. Mad because they figured out this cant be played the way they wanted it to be.
Yup, There was a tweet from Brian Schatz who did a little mini-AMA during his plane flight than revealed that shockingly, he has been trying to convince fellow Senator's about how getting rid of the filibuster would lead to more bipartisanship, but the Senator's he was talking too were not convinced. The reality is, every "one weird trick" that people think of Twitter or on this forum have likely been thought of by either a Senator or somebody on a Senator's staff, and the reality is, it likely doesn't have majority support or doing it would lead to a loss of support on other issues.
It's also important to remember, for all it's faults, the Democratic Party has been more successful than every other center-left or left-wing party in an OECD country outside of maybe the Portugese or Spanish center-left.
Why is Biden saying he won't sign one without the other? Thats a terrible strategy to sink your own bill.
Which just goes to show it's now all about posturing or some kind of long term strategy. We really just have some fucking stupid or naive Democratic senators, or both.
Dangerous people that can't face or see reality as Republicans beat them over the head with how partisan they are, anymore than the Republicans currently saying that Trump is still president.
" I believe there are 10 good Republicans"
sounds the same to my ears as
"I believe Trump is still president"
Was crime rising in 2020, though? 2020 was dominated by a pandemic that significantly affected Latino communities due to longstanding health and economic neglect that came to a head under his watch.
No, he said that he won't sign the bipartisan one without the reconciliation one. Because the reconciliation bill has all the stuff we actually want and the bipartisan one exists to make Manchin and Sinema feel good about themselves.
For $175k a year and a shitton of other perks/benefits, they better be.
statistically yes it was but even without it the media narrative was yes. Cities across the country were burning on national television for weeks, if not months
the hypocrisy was that it was under trumps America but they made themselves as the hardliners
Right, to be clear the point of contention isn't that this that negotiation is happening on two rails at the moment, but the fact that he wouldn't sign without both being ready. It's a stupid point to contend on but I mean that's where we're at right now. Dems were always going to get caught trying to be bipartisan, I don't find it some particularly grand strategic move, rather it's more of this slow moving iceberg we had to make sure everyone was aware of as we keep sailing by. This was always how it was going to end.
I don't think he needed to say it because Pelosi already had said essentially said it. Rather dumb optically, I agree.
He needs the left's votes. The deal has only at most like 10 republicans in the senate and god knows how many in the house. More liberal democrats won't vote for it without climate change stuff and other things.
To many normie voters in 2020, the Democratic Party except for ole' Joe Biden was the party of defund the police and riots because the only politicians they saw on TV were politicians and media members (who are all Democrat's) who believed in defund the police and defended the riots. I think people don't realize that millions of swing voters think AOC and people like her is the median Democratic Congressperson.
Honestly the only sticking point that has kept with me for the average voter was that something ridiculous like 1/2 the voting base can't even name the senator they voted for last election. Like most people probably can't even name their own senator, but probably have some ideas about a senator or rep that does shit all for them in particular. Electorate is just wildly uninformed and hold all kinds of opposing views that make no sense, that's just how it goes. Shame is dems simply don't have the FOX-esque machine churning out their message to the masses and never will.
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