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What method do you suggest that she take that would be anywhere near as strong in forcing the issue without pissing off other minority groups?
Does voting no on every white person make it any less racist? She's threatening to vote yes or no due to someone's race.
 

GoldenEye 007

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I guess, IDK. It seems like minority candidates, including AAPI, are getting put forward beyond just Harris. I don't get the implication that Biden hasn't made an effort to increase the general diversity of his nominees.

But Duckworth is using the power she has to try to get him to do better, so, Biden will need to deal with it regardless.
 

studyguy

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Honestly seems as simple as Neera getting spiked threw a wrench in the works. They clearly had an agreement before with her request for someone in at least OMB and it crashed and burned. Doesn't seem all that unreasonable. I'm sure they'll work it out in due time.
 

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The brother told CNN Tuesday that in high school bullies made fun of Alissa's name and for being Muslim and that may have contributed to him becoming "anti-social."

Alissa had become increasingly "paranoid" around 2014, believing he was being followed and chased, according to his brother. At one point, the young man covered the camera on his computer with duct tape so he could not be seen, said the brother, who lives with Alissa.

"He always suspected someone was behind him, someone was chasing him," Ali Alissa said.

"We kept a close eye on him when he was in high school. He would say, 'Someone is chasing me, someone is investigating me.' And we're like, 'Come on man. There's nothing.' ... He was just closing into himself," the brother added.

Alissa was not very political or particularly religious, according to his brother, who said he never heard the young man threaten to use violence.
This honestly really sounds like mental health issue. Absolutely tragic.
 

Antrax

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I agree with Duckworth's position and tactic. We've got a million straight white guys. They'll be fine without her vote
 

fragamemnon

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I don't think Duckworth's votes will materially change any of the cabinet nominations-but it does make a big marker for judiciary appointments which have yet to be rolled out and if there is a retirements midway through the term you can also see some pressure there too.
 
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Not sure why Im still reading articles about Greitens running and republicans wringing their hands

Republicans and respectability politics name a more iconic duo I'll wait
 
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No legit if you're still id'ing as a republican after trump presidency

then what are you doing wringing your hands about Eric Greitens

what's a sexpest to add onto the big yard of portapotty politicans and MTG

All the republicans have to do is do some confusing shit and gerrymander the shit out of urban areas and get more votes for him

Im from rural missouri

sticking it to the libs/black people is a thing here
 

CrabDust

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Shitty Kamala comment aside, I thought Biden was building a pretty diverse admin. Is Duckworth driving the distinction between admin and cabinet, or is she saying south asia is well repped, but not AAPIs?
 

wartime

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11->15 in four years would be 8% annual growth... what is she talking about lol.

2% inflation over 3.5 years (the end of 2024) would bring $11 today to 11.79.
 

Alpheus

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Does voting no on every white person make it any less racist? She's threatening to vote yes or no due to someone's race.
I think its more along the lines of "Manchin isn't the only Senator they have to listen to." She's looking for at the very least a simple commitment that AAPI nominees be considered. I mean as a country the US was racist and discriminatory against Italians at one point in our history and look at how milquetoast Dr. Fauci is. Unless we forcefully diversify rural areas, the only exposure they have to someone who doesn't look like them in a unequivocal way is a high ranking Federal Official spitting facts. Look at all the fluff pieces Fauci has in all the media coverage about how he was a young man from Brooklyn who worked at a Pharmacy. How often do non white people get the opportunity to have their stories told in a narrative with such warmth?

A practical way to fix that is to have the people at the top committed to thinking outside the box on nominees not just in their political leanings but in their personal backgrounds to combat how those same communities on the whole are being othered in society. Thanks to Republican fuckery on the Senate assembling, Biden is still in the middle of assembling his Federal staff/Dept Heads so he has an opportunity to meet this particular moment and Senator Duckworth (understandably) being upset with the WH due to an aide trying to imply "Well we met our quota" or with "Well sucks what happened with Tanden but we have Harris so I think we're still good" or however they happened to be dismissive to Duckworth, yea I get where she's coming from.

Growing up in school most of my friends were from the AAPI community, citizens and immigrants both, I was really close friends with one of them in particular cuz we both enjoyed RPGs, ended up getting their citizenship in time for the '08 election. I remember he confided in me that he didn't feel welcome beforehand and that other AAPI peeps mentioned feeling the same way and he didn't understand what they meant until after getting his citizenship. One of my life's regrets was that all I could do was hear him out, I was dealing with my own stuff (came out 2 years earlier so not only navigating friendships with a bunch of straights but a family life that was in a word: oof) and I didn't even think to ask if there was anything I could do. I doubt there was anything I could do to tackle the effects of systemic racism at the age of 18 but it's a regret I'll take to my grave. It did teach me the importance of being pro-active in how we embrace one another in a social and civil way or else we omit the people and the lives they live from the fabric of this nation.

Ever since that day I knew that we as a society would have a reckoning with how we "Other-ize" each other and given the recent rise in anti Asian sentiment the AAPI community has to contend with to say nothing of the racist history our nation wrote with laws like the Chinese Exclusion Act or the evil we inflicted upon our own when we enacted a policy of Internment camps for Japanese Americans and the seizure of their property and businesses, the racism and evil that the Black American community has always had to contend with but especially now with the BLM movement calling attention to that racism and that evil, to what we as a country have to contend with, with not only the last 2 afore-mentioned issues but with constructing a humane southern border, how we welcome immigrants, how we care for our vets and how we regulate firearms and treat the least among us. All of these and more like climate change, are issues of life and death and we should start treating them with the proper care and attention and action that life and death issues are owed.

That last part might sound like some dumb sophistry but we've seen recently how many people have died because they were denied their basic humanity, to say nothing of the untold who died in the years we weren't (as a nation) looking, nor the years where we did look on and still did nothing.

This honestly really sounds like mental health issue. Absolutely tragic.
Reading that excerpt reminded me how I was made fun of for my cleft pallet (forgive the clinical term I've only ever spoke about it at length with Doctors in the early to mid 90's), and later in high school being made fun of because of a passing resemblance I had with one of the 9/11 terror suspects while we were doing team stretches in a circle at track/field practice. I believe what spurred that on was a TIME magazine or something with one of their mug shots/photo on file. EDIT: handling different drafts of this post I forgot to add here: the details about the shooter is eerie as hell for me given some of the events of my life.

No legit if you're still id'ing as a republican after trump presidency

then what are you doing wringing your hands about Eric Greitens

what's a sexpest to add onto the big yard of portapotty politicans and MTG

All the republicans have to do is do some confusing shit and gerrymander the shit out of urban areas and get more votes for him

Im from rural missouri

sticking it to the libs/black people is a thing here
Sadly the one regard Republicans are all talk is with regard to the veneer of being socially acceptable. They seem to be very action-based when it comes to the heinous shit/vision they have for America unfortunately and that's a big understatement on the use of the word ufortunately.

Apologies for the TED talk, just felt like I had something worthwhile to share, somewhat of a rarity for a idiot savant like me.
 
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fragamemnon

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I think indexed is a bad term there. Any increases like that would be scheduled, not indexed to CPI or other metrics, or it would be some kind of scheduled short term+indexed long term number.

I don't see indexing as something that's on the table but it would be way better IMO to get less than a specific number like $15 and get it indexed than to just get $15 without it indexed.
 

Blader

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Duckworth is right that you wouldn't say Kamala fulfilled your 'quota' for black cabinet appointments, so that should be the case for AAPI appointments too. And for as diverse a cabinet Biden has assembled, it's extremely lacking in AAPI nominees. There are five black cabinet-level appointments (maybe six if Shalanda Young is tapped for OMB), four Latino appointments, but Stephanie Tai is the only AAPI cabinet official.



The fact that it's become regular enough to say 'every mass shooting' should have been the first indication that maybe we should act beyond thoughts and prayers but idk man. Anyway, the admin keeping the pressure on dems to pass some of the most broadly popular gun restriction laws should be simple enough. Despite GOP congress, a ton of simple measures are incredibly popular to the public.

Incredibly popular, yet just not popular enough for Republican constituents to vote any differently about it.
 

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I wouldn't say a meeting went well if the ultimate takeaway is that you probably won't be able to deliver on Presidential campaign promises.

Yes, increasing the minimum wage to $11 will help people, but it's like throwing a life preserver. It helps, but it's probably not fixing the problem.
 
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The Sinema quote is killing me. Voting to raise to $15 by 2026 is too much, but indexing a bill of $11/hr to inflation so aggressively it hits $15 by 2024 is acceptable?
 

Bronlonius

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Follow the GOP abortion playbook. Obtuse regulations on gun sales at every turn, financial hardships to get one (high taxes on ammunition, firearms, etc...), mandatory liability insurance coverage for all firearms owned by an individual (with premiums adjusted by demographic info, just like vehicles). These decrease new gun ownership.

Mandatory melting of all firearms seized by police, automatic seizure of firearms for all criminal convictions (regardless of whether the crime was violent or even involved the weapon at all). Govt buyback programs in place at all times as a method of getting extra money (like cash for clunkers). These reduce the overall amount of firearms in the wild.

Better education around firearms for people that aren't in the militia mindset (no convincing them). As I always say to my left wing friends thinking about getting a gun, "statistically the most likely person that gun will shoot is yourself, possibly after it shoots your loved ones." Remind them that it is literally NRA propaganda to envision yourself defending your home/family with a gun.

There's a whole lot we could do that doesn't have to be confiscation. Treat the 2nd Amendment the way the GOP sees Roe v Wade
Love these ideas! Getting as many guns out of circulation the better.

Going further, outlaw ownership of any and all military style assault weapons. Want one, join the military and learn to respect the power and training needed to use them responsibly. Allow citizens to go to the range to shoot one all day long, so they can gum up their pants with all those ejaculations shooting one causes (I assume, as passionate as gun nuts are). When you're done, the range keeps the weapon, as it was theirs all along.
 

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The Sinema quote is killing me. Voting to raise to $15 by 2026 is too much, but indexing a bill of $11/hr to inflation so aggressively it hits $15 by 2024 is acceptable?
Probably because it's a way to sell the issue without appearing like a bunch of commie socialists. I use that phrasing because a Senator who is so focused on appearing "middle of the road" for pissed off McCain voters is probably reading it that way herself.
 

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Probably because it's a way to sell the issue without appearing like a bunch of commie socialists. I use that phrasing because a Senator who is so focused on appearing "middle of the road" for pissed off McCain voters is probably reading it that way herself.
Thing is she seems to be alienating more people than she's attracting, given her polling relative to Kelly, lol.
 

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I think it's fine to want to hold the administration to higher standards, but Neera's nomination was sunk due to members of these senators' own caucus so maybe they should start by looking a little closer to home. If the President has nominated more AAPI individuals than your institution has confirmed, I don't think it's really fair to then lay the blame for a lack of AAPI representation completely at the feet of the President.
 

ChippyTurtle

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I wouldn't say a meeting went well if the ultimate takeaway is that you probably won't be able to deliver on Presidential campaign promises.

Yes, increasing the minimum wage to $11 will help people, but it's like throwing a life preserver. It helps, but it's probably not fixing the problem.

It was never going to be increased to $15 off the bat, it was always gonna be gradual.
 

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I think it's fine to want to hold the administration to higher standards, but Neera's nomination was sunk due to members of these senators' own caucus so maybe they should start by looking a little closer to home. If the President has nominated more AAPI individuals than your institution has confirmed, I don't think it's really fair to then lay the blame for a lack of AAPI representation completely at the feet of the President.

Part of what makes it upsetting for people is that Biden could have nominated another AAPI individual for OMB but he didn't due to other fractions pushing a different candidate.
 
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Christ, Twitter is a mess right now. A bunch of trending racist-ass shit. No doubt here come the increased hate crimes against

Muslims
Middle-East Asians
South Asians

In addition to the hate crimes against East Asian folk.

We've got a tinder box for increased violence against absolutely everyone.
I'm a little confused because one of my friends is posting "white supremacy strikes again" and saying this guy is white.
 

Alpheus

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Thing is she seems to be alienating more people than she's attracting, given her polling relative to Kelly, lol.
I didn't say she was intelligent for, essentially over valuing those McCain voters, but it seems to be her play here for some reason cuz like you I also imagine she'd be better off not chasing that mirage.
 

supermatt

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Part of what makes it upsetting for people is that Biden could have nominated another AAPI individual for OMB but he didn't due to other fractions pushing a different candidate.

Absolutely and I get that, but I don't think the Senate should escape some of the blame here, either, and to me at least this seems a little bit like the Senate ignoring its own culpability in the current situation. They had a qualified nominee and they let her nomination go down in flames due to some Mean Tweets, so aside from holding Biden accountable for nominating more AAPI folks, what are they doing to hold themselves accountable to make sure qualified nominees are actually getting confirmed and don't fall victim to a Manchining?
 
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